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Post by Scissorpuppy on Feb 12, 2010 18:35:02 GMT -5
Yes there was...
Party and Play.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 12, 2010 18:36:06 GMT -5
For what it's worth, given who it's from....
When Michael Bay was making the first Transformers movie, he said he didn't want to shortchange the first movie in order to use all the best stuff for the sequel. He wanted to put as much as possible in the first one and then when that's done, focus on putting as much as possible into the second one.
Now, if you hate his movies, this quote shouldn't mean much, but I think it applies here. Was Singer making SR with the intention of outdoing it in the sequel? His "going all Wrath of Khan" statement points to that.
In order to say he'd go "all Wrath of Khan" on it, wouldn't that imply that he intentionally went all "The Motion Picture" on the first one and made something that a lot of people would complain about once the "superior" sequel came out?
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Post by botz1 on Feb 12, 2010 18:41:43 GMT -5
ATP, now you're getting nasty. And I want Singer back, too. heck, I want him to direct the fracking thing. He's an incredible director, and with a better crew (people telling him to focus on the movie he's making instead of other movies or meth) he could make one amazing goddarn Superman movie that would make EVERYONE here say, "Wow." hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahaha ...that man juice lover was the the reason SR was less than stella and now you want WB to hire him for the reboot. hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
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Post by botz1 on Feb 12, 2010 18:46:43 GMT -5
For what it's worth, given who it's from.... Now, if you hate his movies, this quote shouldn't mean much, but I think it applies here. Was Singer making SR with the intention of outdoing it in the sequel? His "going all Wrath of Khan" statement points to that. In order to say he'd go "all Wrath of Khan" on it, wouldn't that imply that he intentionally went all "The Motion Picture" on the first one and made something that a lot of people would complain about once the "superior" sequel came out? I think singer made the wrath of khan statement because he knew fans and wb were unhappy, that statement to up the action was to get fans off his back...........Let the man go, he had his shot.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 12, 2010 19:01:43 GMT -5
Let the man go, he had his shot. Is that directed at me, or in general? I didn't say he should stay or go.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Feb 12, 2010 19:02:47 GMT -5
ATP, now you're getting nasty. And I want Singer back, too. heck, I want him to direct the fracking thing. He's an incredible director, and with a better crew (people telling him to focus on the movie he's making instead of other movies or meth) he could make one amazing goddarn Superman movie that would make EVERYONE here say, "Wow." hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahaha ...that man juice lover was the the reason SR was less than stella and now you want WB to hire him for the reboot. hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
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Post by botz1 on Feb 12, 2010 19:12:52 GMT -5
Let the man go, he had his shot. Is that directed at me, or in general? I didn't say he should stay or go. in general
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Post by Paul (ral) on Feb 12, 2010 20:03:38 GMT -5
There is an article running in an Irish paper this Sunday that is about Jon Peters pending harassment court case. The article states that Peter's is working on Superman: Man of Steel and it is due to release in cinemas next year.
I can't even be arsed to phone in that one!
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Post by supes78 on Feb 12, 2010 20:33:57 GMT -5
The biggest reason to bring Routh back would be to save the countless weeks or months of searching to find the right Superman. But if WB and Nolan really want to do a complete reboot, I'm sure they're aware that bringing Routh back would confuse a mass audience who would see his return as a sequel to Superman Returns. Tough choices for WB.
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Post by MerM on Feb 12, 2010 22:21:33 GMT -5
I'm going to be optimistic about this. Routh was the one element that seemed to get the most praise from SR, so I think/hope he'll return. Singer... well, it'd be great if he could return Dude no disrespect, but what fricken planet are you from? why on gods green earth would you want singer anywhere near this project, your kidding right? I do agree with routh coming back... Singer and his writers achieved some emotional depth in Superman's character, and nailed the insecurity and alienation that Supes clearly had bubbling under the surface (and being away from Earth for five years amplified). Although he did repeat a lot of things from STM, he also added a large amount of new and interesting developments that, had he gone through with Man of Steel, would no doubt have explored to their fullest potential. And that's a far more dignified response than you deserve.
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Post by MerM on Feb 12, 2010 22:22:44 GMT -5
Also: I'm from Krypton.
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Post by Bobby M on Feb 12, 2010 23:10:40 GMT -5
...that man juice lover was the the reason SR was less than stella and now you want WB to hire him for the reboot. Chance?
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 13, 2010 2:10:57 GMT -5
Dude no disrespect, but what fricken planet are you from? why on gods green earth would you want singer anywhere near this project, your kidding right? I do agree with routh coming back... Singer and his writers achieved some emotional depth in Superman's character, and nailed the insecurity and alienation that Supes clearly had bubbling under the surface (and being away from Earth for five years amplified). Although he did repeat a lot of things from STM, he also added a large amount of new and interesting developments that, had he gone through with Man of Steel, would no doubt have explored to their fullest potential. And that's a far more dignified response than you deserve. AWESOME POST, mrm Yes, why? Oh, I think I know where you're going.. but that doesn't change my feelings on the matter. So trying to rationalize it just doesn't work for me in this case. So were you saying?
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Post by Legsy on Feb 13, 2010 10:25:50 GMT -5
You weren't part of the board when the term "Reeve Goggles" was being used. See, most of us here had "Reeve Goggles". We admired Reeve so much that some of us weren't willing to accept anyone else in the role. Well, when SR was released and we saw how good Brandon was, the "Reeve Goggles" finally came off.
You have "Routh Goggles", Star. I don't mean that in a bad way, that's just how you feel about Brandon. I don't blame you, he is a great Supes. We all feel bad for Brandon, the guy wasn't given the chance he deserves. But if WB does decide to reboot with a completely new cast, don't let these "Goggles" get in the way. If you truly love Superman as a character, you need to give the new guy a chance. Who knows, he maybe better than Brandon! And for all we know, Nolan may want Brandon back as Supes. I wouldn't bet on it, but who knows!
What I'm trying to say is, if you love Superman as a character, then you need to be a little bit more open minded about who portrays him.
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Post by Melv on Feb 13, 2010 15:12:49 GMT -5
Has there ever been a successful sequel where only the lead actor returned and all the other parts were recast?
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Post by ye5man on Feb 13, 2010 15:40:02 GMT -5
fracking excellent post, Legs. Totally agree.
Reeves, Reeve and Routh: They were all brilliant.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 13, 2010 16:12:53 GMT -5
Has there ever been a successful sequel where only the lead actor returned and all the other parts were recast? Never Say Never Again? ;D
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Post by ye5man on Feb 13, 2010 16:15:18 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D Quality!
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Post by Shane on Feb 13, 2010 21:55:11 GMT -5
If there is a re-boot i just want to see something different as much as i love the older Superman films i would like to see the book closed on the reeve films and a new one opened with a new franchise
i would love to see routh back as the man of steel but if it doesnt happen it doesnt and i will always have a excellent superman film with him in it i can always watch
but yeah something different with well known villians will do me just fine
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 13, 2010 23:31:29 GMT -5
Agreed. Given that both Nolan and Singer have such high regard for Donner's STM, it'll be interesting to see if these two could actually work together for MOS, or come to some sort of creative agreement.
I'd be curious what both think of each others' films. Both have high recognition outside of their respective supehero films.
About Singer 'saving the good stuff' for a sequel: The screenwriters for SR wanted a supehero fight in SR, but Singer nixed it, feeling that it would overload a film that was trying to accomplish a giant number of things all at once....
While I get why he would feel that way, personally, I wish he had been more flexible on that. I have a strong hunch that more superheroics might have won over the fanboys opposed to the film. I still find it bizzare that his Xmen 2 credit doesn't garner more trust that he would do it right, among those who hate SR for lack of action.
In any case..... I bought a good number of tickets taking friends to repeat viewings of SR (not to mention the merchandise). It's hard for me to conceive of them finding a person better than Routh for the role. It'll be interesting (to say the least) to see how this unfolds.
If Nolan liked a lot of SR, it wouldn't be impossible that Nolan might work something out with Brandon and Singer. If anyone creatively owns WB right now, it's got to be Nolan. Thank goodness he's more than capable of doing a fantastic supehero film.
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Post by EvilSupes on Feb 14, 2010 10:52:21 GMT -5
I think legsy is right, as much as some of us loved Brandon, it's time to move past only seeing him as Superman. For me Brandon was a brilliant Superman, and I firmly believe he was the best possible choice after Christohper Reeve playing Superman. So being open minded letting your eyes see someone else as Supes will help the transition.
I don't know why but I have a crazy idea I have been throwing around in my head. For some reason, ever since seeing Aaron Eckhart for the first time in TDK, I always thought he had a Superman kind of face about him. He may look a little too old to be Superman but I think he would look pretty good with his hair dyed black in a Superman Kingdom Come kind of way. Weird I know, maybe my imagination is running away with me. Plus I doubt Nolan would use him as everyone remembers him for being Harvey Dent/Two Face.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 14, 2010 11:39:40 GMT -5
About recasting Brandon: While I get where everyone's coming from...
I can't see trusting a lot of the other choices made already in Hollywood before then that were apparently close to being Superman- Brandon Frasier (who in a youtube video apparently was chosen by McG, I think), Mathew Bomer (assuming its not rumor that Ratner chose him initially)- not to mention the other names that have popped up over the years.
I more trust Singer's ability to cast leads--- I think Jackman for Wolverine (except for the height) was just as on the nose as Brandon for Supes. (*Yeah, I know Jackman was a second choice but it's a second choice by SInger--- Jon Favreau himself has said that he didn't have as strong an ability to cast unknowns as Singer did)
Although Nolan hasn't had a crack at approving casting--- Let's remember that he also chose Katie Holmes for Batman Begins!!!!
If everyone is open to the possibility of a better choice for Superman than Brandon, then realize that it's also opening the possibility of a WORSE choice. Why break what's not broken? Feels foolish to me.
Worth restating: Christopher Nolan also cast Katie Holmes. Nobody is perfect. ;o
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 14, 2010 12:59:16 GMT -5
You weren't part of the board when the term "Reeve Goggles" was being used. See, most of us here had "Reeve Goggles". We admired Reeve so much that some of us weren't willing to accept anyone else in the role. Well, when SR was released and we saw how good Brandon was, the "Reeve Goggles" finally came off. You have "Routh Goggles", Star. I don't mean that in a bad way, that's just how you feel about Brandon. I don't blame you, he is a great Supes. We all feel bad for Brandon, the guy wasn't given the chance he deserves. But if WB does decide to reboot with a completely new cast, don't let these "Goggles" get in the way. If you truly love Superman as a character, you need to give the new guy a chance. Who knows, he maybe better than Brandon! And for all we know, Nolan may want Brandon back as Supes. I wouldn't bet on it, but who knows! What I'm trying to say is, if you love Superman as a character, then you need to be a little bit more open minded about who portrays him. Big difference is that Brandon is still alive, plenty young (unlike Reeve) and looking better than ever. To me he is The Perfect Superman. Nobody even comes close (from this generation). so far. So, no, it's not easy for me to buy someone else in the role. Maybe in 10 years or so. And I never had Reeve goggles; I was very willing to give another actor a chance to prove himself. Yes, I was very skeptical because Chris was such an awesome Superman to me that I felt it'd be very, very difficult to find someone as good as him. But Brandon won me over. He was just as good, imo.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 14, 2010 14:14:30 GMT -5
Me neither, the risk (and the odds) of finding another actor who fits all the criteria seems highly unlikely.... and not worth it, imo.
Even those who hated SR, most of them (from what I can tell) still liked Brandon in it.
When Brandon is too old for the part, fine, it would be understandable to recast. If Brandon's version of Superman brought in less than the $390 million SR did worldwide, it would be understandable.
But right now? Would prefer they not.
On the flip side, if Nolan casts Christian Bale as Superman, though, it might be cost-effective should WB decide to make that Superman-Batman movie afterwards. He could play both parts. ;p ((Picturing Superman with a really raspy authoritarian voice))
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