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Post by indo77 on Sept 23, 2012 18:44:19 GMT -5
The 16mm film print is the longest cut there is and has been about for decades. Even the PAL broadcasts of these prints appearing on TV are 3 hrs factoring in the 4% speed issue.
In the past people used magazines as opposed to the net or they used fan club resources for items of interest. It was called "Collecting".
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Post by Kamdan on Sept 27, 2012 12:10:32 GMT -5
Jim Bower's 16mm print clocks in at around 2 hours and 50 minutes and that includes the end credits, so it's still missing about 20 minutes of footage used in other edits of the film, so it's not the longest.
That's a big reason why the project is taking so long. They can't just release a transferred version of the 16mm print, because it's missing footage, both unused and theatical material that was cut down, like Superman's flight to Luthor's hideout.
Also, I think they're trying to integrate the different versions to open up the scope. The KCOP version is zoomed on a particular spot that the 16mm print isn't on. Combining both the images to make one with proper restoration takes a lot of time to get it to look right.
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Post by indo77 on Sept 29, 2012 15:14:29 GMT -5
Interesting I thought the 16mm cut was the full version. Chance Bartels has one.
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Post by ger-el on Mar 23, 2017 8:46:13 GMT -5
First post in a LONG time. Over at Caped Wonder, the KCOP/Salkind Restored International Cut has been posted. It's been there since February. Just caught it now. He also has the Superman II RIC from years ago. I remember sending copies out to other fans years ago. Where does the time go.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 24, 2017 22:16:19 GMT -5
One day hopefully Jim Bowers can reveal the history of the 16mm print-
Also, whether or not there was an import lazerdisc with the deleted stuff from STM and SII- much like how Dune had the extended version on lazerdisc way back when...
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Post by Kamdan on Mar 25, 2017 6:54:25 GMT -5
Bowers had the entire 16mm print uploaded in six parts at one point. Pretty sure he acquired through a sale as it was made for television viewing.
There was no LaserDisc edition at all. All of the deleted material either came from the print or VHS copies that were carefully restored to match the DVD and Blu-ray editions.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 26, 2017 14:09:27 GMT -5
Bowers had the entire 16mm print uploaded in six parts at one point. Pretty sure he acquired through a sale as it was made for television viewing. There was no LaserDisc edition at all. All of the deleted material either came from the print or VHS copies that were carefully restored to match the DVD and Blu-ray editions. The Dune lazerdisc I saw at a store (not a bootleg from what I could tell as nothing else was -to my knowledge- bootleg there) was an import from Japan. I scratch my head as to how that deal worked out, but since that was 'official' with Lynch's name removed, I imagine that the Salkinds probably were free to sell or make similar deals with other countries as well. (Wasn't there a Korean laserdisc of SIV that was extended?) In any case, at least we know that WB has all the deleted footage in its vaults--- though hopefully in a place where it doesn't deteriorate more over time...
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Post by Metallo on Mar 29, 2017 21:21:42 GMT -5
You would think anything like that would be preserved at this point even if it's in a digital format. all the work they did to take stuff out of storage and ship and sort through it years ago only to stick it back in a vault to rot seems insane. They'd be nuts to not have a lot of that material preserved somehow just in case. They may never restore it to any kind of high quality but at least they'd have the option on the table if they wanted too. Nortalgia for the Reeve films seems to be rising a bit again with the Snyderverse on the ropes and so divisive.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 2, 2017 15:43:25 GMT -5
You would think anything like that would be preserved at this point even if it's in a digital format. all the work they did to take stuff out of storage and ship and sort through it years ago only to stick it back in a vault to rot seems insane. They'd be nuts to not have a lot of that material preserved somehow just in case. They may never restore it to any kind of high quality but at least they'd have the option on the table if they wanted too. Nortalgia for the Reeve films seems to be rising a bit again with the Snyderverse on the ropes and so divisive. Agreed. I was pretty annoyed when the RDC didn't at least restore a couple of the Donner scenes that were deleted.... I'm sure there was a cost attached, but you're right- I'm hoping that they store it in a way that the door is open to restoration later on.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 7, 2017 15:54:48 GMT -5
Just seem like the common sense thing to do especially in the digital/cgi age. I'm still hoping we see them do something with it someday even if it's an The Lester cut with a few more Scenes added back in. The Superman films aren't nearly as popular as Star Wars but like Star Wars new versions are an excuse to rerelease them yet again.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 9, 2017 14:56:47 GMT -5
Just seem like the common sense thing to do especially in the digital/cgi age. I'm still hoping we see them do something with it someday even if it's an The Lester cut with a few more Scenes added back in. The Superman films aren't nearly as popular as Star Wars but like Star Wars new versions are an excuse to rerelease them yet again. Agreed. I wish there was a way to know how the boxset's sales influence(d) dvd decisions from that point on. For sure, it wasn't a great sign with MOS and BvS to see zero extras with more Donner stuff....
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Post by Metallo on Apr 9, 2017 16:47:20 GMT -5
Physical media is falling off across the board. Doesn't seem like the studios are as interested in producing those big sets like they used to unless it's for the big time guaranteed seller stuff like Star Wars. You'd with with its 20th anniversary coming up WB would do something with the Matrix franchise. Maybe they're waiting to see how the rumored fourth movie pans out and are timing it with that.
Just seems like getting any interesting bonus content now for old releases falls to smaller companies like Shout Factory when they get the license for this stuff. And that doesn't help at all with any kind of new cuts. The recent mad max blu ray set from WB was ok but I felt it could have been better.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 10, 2017 20:45:58 GMT -5
Physical media is falling off across the board. Doesn't seem like the studios are as interested in producing those big sets like they used to unless it's for the big time guaranteed seller stuff like Star Wars. You'd with with its 20th anniversary coming up WB would do something with the Matrix franchise. Maybe they're waiting to see how the rumored fourth movie pans out and are timing it with that. Just seems like getting any interesting bonus content now for old releases falls to smaller companies like Shout Factory when they get the license for this stuff. And that doesn't help at all with any kind of new cuts. The recent mad max blu ray set from WB was ok but I felt it could have been better. I'm hoping that it doesn't fall all the way off that it becomes like the VHS machine- I have too many dvds that I'm fond of.... but it might just be the case down the line. (*sniff*)
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Post by Metallo on Apr 11, 2017 13:26:43 GMT -5
It'll be a while before that happens. It's not like the switch from vhs to DVD where most people switched over in a few years. Not enough people are getting everything through streaming yet. What we're seeing is a slower decline but the alternative isn't at that big point to take over yet. Even a lot people that stream stuff still buy some physical media.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 11, 2017 19:40:20 GMT -5
It'll be a while before that happens. It's not like the switch from vhs to DVD where most people switched over in a few years. Not enough people are getting everything through streaming yet. What we're seeing is a slower decline but the alternative isn't at that big point to take over yet. Even a lot people that stream stuff still buy some physical media. I'd prefer if it there was a download option where you could also 'keep' it- though with dvds, there was the incentive to add bonus material. With streaming and downloads, not so much....
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