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Post by atp on Jun 16, 2013 8:46:43 GMT -5
If the terraforming made the atmosphere like Krypton, how did he have the power to push against the white beam? Wouldn't that be the same as lifting a Kryptonite continent?
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Post by Tristan D on Jun 16, 2013 8:48:35 GMT -5
You know maybe it was just coincidence. Look at this (below), they definitely have the same facial structure:
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jun 16, 2013 8:54:11 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused about the end? So the Daily Planet building wasn't destroyed?
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Post by atp on Jun 16, 2013 9:23:31 GMT -5
You know maybe it was just coincidence. Look at this (below), they definitely have the same facial structure: Cavill's features are a more rugged, slightly unsymmetrical version of Reeve's, but yes, the same basic structure is definitely there.
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Post by ye5man on Jun 16, 2013 10:59:50 GMT -5
Seen it, hard to make out what I thought of it. Brain dump: Soulless. I did not feel Superman's connection to humanity and parts felt forced. A lot of dialogue telling the audience what was going on (stating the obvious). Enjoyed the Krypton sequence. Ugly looking film in places. A good cast was wasted with average material. Waited so many years to see superman fight like that on the big screen. The Matrix Revolutions managed it for 60 seconds, this went on and on. Missus didn't like it too much saying the fights went on way too long. What was with the Incredible Hulk homage? Lois kissing Superman felt way too soon (sign of the times?). There was laughter in the audience at the Daily Planet scene at the end as there was no distinction between CK and Superman Music was OK, some reminded of keyboard music from American TV movies from the 80s lol. Came out of SR feeling numb, felt sensory overload with this. There was zero grace to be found with the take offs and landings. Didn't like the "tutelege" sequence which led to him getting the costume. Just felt to "by the numbers"
However the overall story was excellent (better than a tired land scheme plot). This is pure sci-fi/comic book. Not as good as any of the recent Marvel flicks (even IM2) but its a different bag. I could not identify with the character. Him turning towards humanity at the end was about as emotional as Padme's "I truly deeply love you" in AotC. Excellent bit when he saved his Mother in Smallville. That was fracking great. A few brilliant fight images which we've waited long to see. They just need to tone it down for MOS2. Let's get to the characters and even him saving a cat from a tree. Quiet, gentle moments.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 16, 2013 11:11:13 GMT -5
I was surpised to read this, I thought you would really like this- but the comparison to AOTC is a good one. There are supposed to be a lot of emotional scenes in both films, but most of the time, it doesn't feel natural.
I don't think that they had too much action- but just not well managed or balanced with the character stuff and zero quiet moments.
(It'd be ironic if they go overboard in toning down the action for MOS 2, with all the reviews, and have only forced dramatic scenes instead. Oy!)
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Post by El Presidente on Jun 16, 2013 11:47:29 GMT -5
To me it was pretty meh.
It just seemed like Thor/Avengers Assemble all over again.
Must say though I have no complaints with Cavill or Adams. Both excellent and different from other versions.
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Post by botz1 on Jun 16, 2013 11:54:38 GMT -5
what is this supposed cameo?? i've seen the film 3 times and saw nothing..
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Post by Keith on Jun 16, 2013 12:28:28 GMT -5
Botz, the cameo is Aaron Smolinski(sp?) he played toddler Kal'El in STM (lifting the truck). He's one of the army guys. It really is a brief cameo, a lot of people missed it. I missed it as well.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 16, 2013 12:29:22 GMT -5
There were times throughout the film where I thought it was a frackig AWESOME movie, but by the end, I thought, "Hmm, it was good." Not great, just plain, sold "good".
Russell Crowe and Kevin Costner were both fantastic.
Michael Shannon was great. The writers humanized Zod, and Shannon did great.
I was unimpressed with Amy Adams. I don't feel they showed enough of her to shine her acting ability, meaning she was just an average looking chick. Margot Kidder wasn't the hottest chick, but her acting and chemistry with Reeve superseded all that. Not so with Adams.
Henry Cavill: BEST Superman since Reeve. Really, really good. I hope he becomes a movie star outside of Superman. Loved his performance. Blows away Routh's version.
Didnt like Superman snapping Zod's neck. I can not put my finger on why, but I didn't like it. I think it's because it didnt seem to have the weight it should have, but again, I'm not 100% sure on why my gut reaction was that I didn't like it. I think it's because Superman isn't a killer and they didn't do a good enough job building up that to make it impactful.
Music: I can't remember a SINGLE piece of music. In all fairness, his music for BB grew on me with repeat viewings so I'm going to be openminded at this point and assume it was good?
I can understand the criticisms on the lack of character development. Action scenes were good and it's EXACTLY what Superman Retunrs needed.
I realize that I can never EVER compare a new Superman movie to the Reeve films. Too legendary. Shogun can travel with Superman III the Donner version from a different dimension and it would probably still be disappointing.
All in all: good movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 12:36:47 GMT -5
the emotional scenes in the film were very well done.
Genuinely convinced a lot of people are either over analysing it, or simply over looking it because of who the director is.
I'd guess there'll be large amounts of character development in any sequel now the ground work has been laid. I don't mind them toning it down a bit action wise, but back to pulling cats out of trees and trying to stop one man in a suit? no thanks, had enough of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 12:49:41 GMT -5
ATP, i'm glad you didn't hate the film, but I reckon you'd like it more if you didn't actively look for holes in the story, and comparisons with scenes from other films if there's even a slight resemblance to them
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Post by atp on Jun 16, 2013 13:12:16 GMT -5
You know, if Jor-El is really such a great scientist, why does he make three such retarded mistakes? a) He announces to Zod that he and Lara have had a baby. Even worse, he tells him this before the baby has even been launched away safely. Way to go there Jor-El, making your son a target! b) He manages to let Zod get close enough to stab him even though he has a gun on him. WTF? c) He uses a suit of armour that is useless against Zod's knife. Um, isn't armour like, you know, kind of, supposed to, actually protect you against blades? Isn't that why knights used to wear it? And don't get me started on Jonathan's retarded behaviour too. Actually wait, I think I WILL get started on his retarded behaviour. Let's see, first he's telling Clark that he is destined for great things, and that even if it takes him the rest of his life, he owes it to himself to find out the reason why he was sent here. But then he tells him he should be a farmer. And then, when the tornado comes, he decides to let himself die rather than be rescued. In all that chaos, who was going to notice, or even care, if Clark rescued him from the tornado? Yeah, I can just imagine the scene if Clark had gone back for his father... BYSTANDER 1: Whoa! Did you see that? That guy just dragged his father to safety. BYSTANDER 2: I saw! It's incredible. No-one in the history of the world has ever pulled a man with a broken leg away from danger. BYSTANDER 1: What does it all mean? BYSTANDER 2: The guy must be an alien. BYSTANDER 1: You're right! Now that we know who he is, what do we do? BYSTANDER 2: We should reject him. (Out of fear.) BYSTANDER 1: I agree. The world isn't ready. BYSTANDER 1 & 2: HEY YOU! ALIEN! GO AWAY. WE'RE REJECTING YOU (OUT OF FEAR).
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Post by ye5man on Jun 16, 2013 13:40:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the death of Jon Kent was a bit silly.
I liked "Kal" coming back to Ma Kent after he gets the suit. Better than a cut to "BAM* and we're in Metropolis
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 13:49:53 GMT -5
This doesn't really apply to anyone in here, but I think the various people have complained about 'half a city being destroyed' need to see the film again, because they're talking poope. When you actually look at the damage black zero did it's not wide scale atall, its a very small portion of the city by the time Superman stops it.
Added to that when Superman and Zod are fighting, they're not tearing building down, they heavily damage some buildings, but they're not causing the same size of destruction some would have you believe.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2013 13:56:02 GMT -5
Like Russ said the movie has some great ideas but it all unfolds like they were checking off boxes on a list. A lot of it didn't feel organic. Zod's death came off like Goyer and Snyder trying to figure out a way to work up just because they wanted to do it instead of the story building to it. It didn't feel natural the way some other things in the film did like Zod deleting the Jor El AI or Superman saving Hardy from Faora. It was just really poorly mapped out. The film was also overly serious. It could have been realistic and had some more real world joy. When it did the film takes off amazingly. I think WB took the wrong message from the failure of SR as far as making a good film. They took the right message as far as a film that will make money
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2013 13:57:39 GMT -5
Also how did Lois get to Superman so fast after he killed Zod? Maybe it's explained but I need to see it again. There was a lot of gaps were were supposed to accept some things.
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Post by ye5man on Jun 16, 2013 14:05:17 GMT -5
People forget that Superman has his "repair the great wall of China" vision he can use
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 14:16:25 GMT -5
People forget that Superman has his "repair the great wall of China" vision he can use Metallo i'm guessing you're just supposed to assume when they were battling round that part of the city she saw them crash in the train station near where they started. That kind of thing doesn't bother me too much, i think some of these things just need to be accepted in a Superman film. One thing that bugs the heck out of me though is why Zod wanted Lois on the ship. Maybe I missed something there.
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Post by SupermanUF on Jun 16, 2013 14:39:24 GMT -5
I love that music from Flash Gordon too. Very eerie and hypnotic. I think it's also playing when he is being taken to be executed, right? And also when he and Aura are flying to Arboria? Correct. I always think of it as the "gas chamber" music.
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Post by Keith on Jun 16, 2013 15:48:22 GMT -5
Seen it again and I loved it. It's great. One thing, I was talking to my mom about Supes killing Zod, did Zod kill those people with the heat vision or did Superman kill him before they would have died? I was under the impression that superman killed him right before he would have killed those people. But my mom said that Zod did killed them, and then Superman snapped his neck to prevent him from killing any more people. She said those people never showed up again and there was black dust in the air in that corner.
So I'm not sure what really happened lol.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2013 16:02:02 GMT -5
People forget that Superman has his "repair the great wall of China" vision he can use Metallo i'm guessing you're just supposed to assume when they were battling round that part of the city she saw them crash in the train station near where they started. That kind of thing doesn't bother me too much, i think some of these things just need to be accepted in a Superman film. One thing that bugs the heck out of me though is why Zod wanted Lois on the ship. Maybe I missed something there. I think the movie wants us to believe he wanted Lois on board because she broke the story of Superman that got leaked. But even that doesn't really explain anything. MOS really did seem like a Bay film at times and like an Abrams films other times. Alien invasions in both. massive property damage. Lord high protector Megatron = General Zod. Both charged with planetary defense. All spark = Kryptonian codex. It also reminded me of Trek 09. Films start with Kirks/Kals births. Nero wants revenge on Old Spock = Zod wants revenge on Jor-El. They both have to settle for younger counterparts. Kryptons destruction = Vulcans Destruction. Lonely alien outsider Kal-El = Spock. Both children of two worlds. Both their moms deaths had some visual similarities. Nero has massive ship that can create Singularities. So does Zod. Into Darkness rehashes some of the second film in the series 30 years later using the best bad guy Khan. Man of Steel rehashes some of the second film in the series 30 years later using the best bad guy Zod. Both Khan and Zod are genetically engineered to be the perfect warriors and leaders. Basically Superman I and II remade with some recent sci fi blockbusters as inspiration. I wonder if Goyer wrote the specific story he did and Snyder filmed the way he did because they knew all those other movies were eagerly accepted by the public?
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 16, 2013 16:12:56 GMT -5
I guess there may be a Star Trek 09 parrallel. Ineresting.
Star Trek was the better movie IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 16:24:23 GMT -5
Interesting indeed, good observations. In saying that, I just can't ever get into Star Trek,
It definitely did have a Bay feel last third, but honestly I just loved Kal-El being sent off to earth, Lara being engulfed by flames, Ma Kent talking clark out of the cupboard at school, Clark being bullied, Pa Kent's death, Clark explaining to his mum that he's found out who he is. I thought these parts were very moving and for me personally, Snyders not getting enough credit for them because he's Snyder, Mr Style over substance, but for me he bucked his trend for much of this film.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2013 16:25:37 GMT -5
I've been noticing it a lot with Hollywood lately. We all saw the ton of parallels between Skyfall and the Dark Knight trilogy. heck the ones between Casino Royal and Batman Begins even. And how many times in the last five years have we seen the eccentric bad guy with the funny voice get captured on purpose and put in a cell to talk with the heroes only to later blow up their HQ?
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