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Post by Metallo on May 21, 2014 13:00:36 GMT -5
Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice This isn't a sequel as much as a prequel to the Justice League movie. LMAO! WB shows their hand and their desperation for that Avengers money and maybe we can see why the film got pushed back too.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 21, 2014 21:12:38 GMT -5
If only there was a different director at the helm, I might have more hope.
Lowered expectations, for sure.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 22, 2014 9:49:17 GMT -5
Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice This isn't a sequel as much as a prequel to the Justice League movie. LMAO! WB shows their hand and their desperation for that Avengers money and maybe we can see why the film got pushed back too. In thinking on it... Still... I have to say- at least WB is doing SOMETHING finally with JL. Will be curious to see how well it does- Transformer movies to me were all about explosions, robots, and no story- but it makes/made a ton of money. Could be the same here.
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Post by EnriqueH on May 23, 2014 8:52:19 GMT -5
I actually like the title.
Dawn of Justice. Sounds cool, I think.
Hopefully, Zack Snyder can pull a Tim Burton and make the second movie a lot better than the first.
And since they broke the mold by having Superman kill in the first, I hope they don't have Batman fire a gun in the second.
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Post by Ollie W on May 23, 2014 9:54:20 GMT -5
Stupid title in my opinion. How Superman comes second in his own movie is beyond me. Especially after going 143 minutes in the previous film whilst barely called Superman. This movie really just shapes to cash in on Batman's popularity and setup a Justice League picture. Something I'm honestly not interested in seeing, especially after the Avengers, which I thought was grossly overrated. In a movie filled with Superhero's you won't get much more then endless action in an ultimate disaster picture. For the record I'd have simply called the sequel 'Superman Batman'.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2014 10:34:38 GMT -5
My own preference for titles would be something close to what the product actually is:
"Man of Steel, Batfleck, and everything but the kitchen sink to set up a franchise- the movie'
and for the JL movie:
"We're trying to be just like the Avengers- we think- the movie"
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Post by theoj on May 24, 2014 3:03:51 GMT -5
Very disappointed that we got only one new Superman movie, and because it made less than $700 million worldwide, WB panicked and forced Snyder into bringing Batman into the mix and going down the Marvel route by setting up for a Justice League movie.
While Avengers worked really well and was perhaps the most entertaining blockbuster I had seen in years, I have had no desire to watch it since its cinema release, whereas I can still watch Man of Steel over and over.
Dawn of Justice may do Avengers numbers, just because Batman is attached and because of all the hype, but I doubt it will be as much fun as The Avengers, and will certainly not live up to the standards set by The Dark Knight Trilogy or STM (which nothing can obviously!).
If DOJ is better than MOS, I will be very pleased and very surprised! Well, it's all about hope,,, they told us! So here's hoping!
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Post by Metallo on May 24, 2014 11:35:18 GMT -5
Problem with this movie is for such a monumental event there is no history being brought to the table. Avengers had five movies worth of history for fans to bring in with them. in B v. S we barely know Superman and its a brand new Bat. Its not a Superman movie anymore. Its like Avengers in that its a continuation but not a sequel. Titles clunky and cliché to me. At least it wasn't Rise of Justice.
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Post by atp on May 24, 2014 11:47:42 GMT -5
I heard they brought Batman in to counter the darkness of MoS.
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Post by Metallo on May 24, 2014 12:02:36 GMT -5
Lol. With Affleck in the cowl that might turn out to be unintentionally true. Hope not.
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Post by theoj on May 24, 2014 18:21:18 GMT -5
It's so disappointing that we have barely been introduced to this new Superman, and he is already sidelined in favour of Batman and the Justice League in his own sequel!!
I really hope that it is still his film for the most part and that Batman only appears for half an hour or so. Though i am quite looking forward to seeing some of Wonder Woman!
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Post by EnriqueH on May 24, 2014 20:26:36 GMT -5
It's so disappointing that we have barely been introduced to this new Superman, and he is already sidelined in favour of Batman and the Justice League in his own sequel!! Disappointing, but expected. MOS didn't live up to his boxoffice potential. Plain and simple, and WB is in the business of making money. Logicially, they don't want to reboot Superman for the third time in under 10 years---that would be an unprecedented PR disaster---so clearly the strategy was damage control in the shape of a Bat. And now Batman's name is on top of Superman's as a result. MOS didn't do horrendous numbers, but he, Batman, Spiderman are probably in a 3-way tie for superhero name recognition, and not only are Batman and Spidey kicking Superman's booty at the boxoffice, but so is Captain America. MOS defenders said MOS performed underwhelminnly (for a movie of its type) because Superman lived and breathed USA and doesn't have global appeal, but Captain America: Winter Soldier---who is argubaly as Apple Pie as Superman---also outgrossed MOS, but that's probably because it was a good movie and had good word-of-mouth and phenomenal brand appeal due to Marvel's excellent reputation for quality. I haven't double checked in months, but I'm pretty sure MOS still has the highest 2nd week percentage drop of any of these big name superhero films. It didn't flop, but Superman should be in a stronger position than he is. I can't believe it has been 30 years since Superman has been a significant boxoffice force. It's absolutely ludicrous that WB hasn't figured this out by now.
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2014 0:13:13 GMT -5
What Enrique said. America is hated around much of the world yet Caps worldwide gross beat Man of Steels. The dude wears a flag. It's a testament to Marvels brand and Caps quality. The movie did what SR and MOS stumbled at: exploring the character and what he represents in a modern world. They showed Caps ideals without compromising them but examined what they mean in today's world. That's what MOS needed to do. Don't change what works about the character but examine what the means today. Marvels launching a GOTG movie while WB can't get any other characters off the ground without propping them up in a Batman vs superman movie.
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Post by EnriqueH on May 25, 2014 5:38:09 GMT -5
That's true: Marvel got a Guardians of the Galaxy movie going but DC can't even get a Flash movie going.
I'll grant DC its damage control project by bringing in Batman, but they're going to have to nail it to have Marvel's longterm mega success.
Batman vs Superman will probably do well, but it won't mean much if word of mouth is divisive and taints the brand even more.
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2014 10:25:26 GMT -5
I think this movie has to do a billion especially of it costs more than MOS. the hype from the studio and the MOS fanboys and apologists has been huge. As it should be considering how monumental this is. But everyone's built it up to be such a big deal that if it underperforms it'll be an embarrassment. It's gonna do well either way but it needs to do exceptionally well. WB did this for a reason and it's not to get the same results as MOS. Maybe if doesn't need Avengers money but it needs to do very very well.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2014 11:42:57 GMT -5
No matter how or why they're doing this.... There's definitely something that's grossly inefficient with wb's methods. They saw the box office potential of s hero films. With STM and did little....even with owning so many properties. Again they could have seen it again with Burton's Batman. Zip. Finally with Spider-Man and X-men..... But still they're lagging behind and trying to catchup. While it looks like they're giving creative freedom....it's a Pity it's not with stronger creative people driving the boat.....
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Post by atp on May 25, 2014 12:40:14 GMT -5
Not if you give them hype. That's what this symbol means. The symbol of the house of El means hype.
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2014 13:22:47 GMT -5
No matter how or why they're doing this.... There's definitely something that's grossly inefficient with wb's methods. They saw the box office potential of s hero films. With STM and did little....even with owning so many properties. Again they could have seen it again with Burton's Batman. Zip. Finally with Spider-Man and X-men..... But still they're lagging behind and trying to catchup. While it looks like they're giving creative freedom....it's a Pity it's not with stronger creative people driving the boat..... They've had 20 years to try to do what they're doing now. They only learn from massive mistakes and then ride a trend into the ground. Marvel had an excuse for why they didn't do we at they did until 2008 and they were still the trend setters to actually get it off the ground. DC Looks slow and confused in comparison. I could forgive it it quality trumped quantity but Marvel is kicking their booty in both.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 26, 2014 23:39:44 GMT -5
No matter how or why they're doing this.... There's definitely something that's grossly inefficient with wb's methods. They saw the box office potential of s hero films. With STM and did little....even with owning so many properties. Again they could have seen it again with Burton's Batman. Zip. Finally with Spider-Man and X-men..... But still they're lagging behind and trying to catchup. While it looks like they're giving creative freedom....it's a Pity it's not with stronger creative people driving the boat..... They've had 20 years to try to do what they're doing now. They only learn from massive mistakes and then ride a trend into the ground. Marvel had an excuse for why they didn't do we at they did until 2008 and they were still the trend setters to actually get it off the ground. DC Looks slow and confused in comparison. I could forgive it it quality trumped quantity but Marvel is kicking their booty in both. After looking at Xmen's box office so far- even with gigantic rotten tomtatoes' scores- I'm really wondering and worrying that the mainstream may actually be less enthusiastic about superhero films even with high quality. Hopefully the new X film box office will have strong legs- but given how great BOTH critic and fan reviews are- maybe the lowered box office opening is a sign that the general audience is starting to stay at home rather than rush out to see superhero films now. In which case- who knows how large this new JL movie will do, good visuals or not.... The one thing on MOS2/JL's side is SOME novelty if we see Wonder Woman on the big screen in a spectacular way- but other than that.... will see...
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Post by Metallo on May 29, 2014 20:35:57 GMT -5
If this fails it'll crap on everything all at once. More pressure on this movie to perform.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 31, 2014 18:15:23 GMT -5
If this fails it'll crap on everything all at once. More pressure on this movie to perform. The funny/sad thing is that the way things seem to look overall now with superhero films flooding the market --- the movie could actually be GOOD, and box office would be disappointing to WB. But.... that's the least of my worries. At this point, I don't even know why they're even bothering with Batfleck vs. Superman. Just go straight to JL.
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Post by Metallo on May 31, 2014 23:49:17 GMT -5
The movie would have to be stupendously bad to be a financial flop but it does have a high standard of success and the box office. Maybe the highest.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 14, 2014 12:00:50 GMT -5
Looks like a lot of people are reporting that Jason Momoa has been cast as Aquaman. I guess much like some of the others this might be a reinvention of the character at least visually. Man this movie is overloaded. I keep thinking TASM 2, Spider-man 3, Xmen 3: films trying to cram to much into one movie.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 14, 2014 19:10:54 GMT -5
Looks like a lot of people are reporting that Jason Momoa has been cast as Aquaman. I guess much like some of the others this might be a reinvention of the character at least visually. Man this movie is overloaded. I keep thinking TASM 2, Spider-man 3, Xmen 3: films trying to cram to much into one movie. Well.... I think of Batfleck vs. Supercavill along the lines of a supehero equivalent of "Cannonball Run II"..... as we get familiar with the game they're playing, I think it's just a good op to turn off the brain and enjoy the cameos. And- to be honest, if they add the Legion of Superheroes as well to this seemingly overstuffed party..... I can't say that I wouldn't be a LITTLE tickled to see them make a big budget appearance.
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Post by vinyluser on Jul 3, 2014 6:20:43 GMT -5
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