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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 7, 2014 16:09:59 GMT -5
Interesting figures. MOS has a mighty first weekend and it seems that, according to Boxofficemojo, it completely discombobulates after that. Guardians beats MOS every weekend after that. The only logical explanation is word of mouth. MOS vs. GOTG vs. Iron Man 1 vs. Spiderman 1
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Post by Shane on Sept 9, 2014 18:44:17 GMT -5
also beat captain America, Xmen, Amazinfg spiderman 2 but you better mention MOS
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Post by Metallo on Sept 14, 2014 13:59:14 GMT -5
Man...I was just about to post that GOTG has officially not only beat MOS's domestic total but also passed 300 mil. And it's still going. MOS has to be seen as somewhat of a disappointment for WB now. Especially after all the name power and resources they put behind MOS. GOTG had to be the biggest factor in WB being scared off of the old BvS release date. Gunn and Disney really deserve a pat on the back. Snyder and WB need a kick in the booty and a laugh in the face to wake the frack up.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 15, 2014 10:07:00 GMT -5
Man...I was just about to post that GOTG has officially not only beat MOS's domestic total but also passed 300 mil. And it's still going. MOS has to be seen as somewhat of a disappointment for WB now. Especially after all the name power and resources they put behind MOS. GOTG had to be the biggest factor in WB being scared off of the old BvS release date. Gunn and Disney really deserve a pat on the back. Snyder and WB need a kick in the booty and a laugh in the face to wake the frack up. Well.... I actually was hoping that X-men: Days of Future Past would have been THE box office champ this year. I really enjoyed GOTG- But there are a few bits that don't work for me. WB/Snyderdcverse movies I think will make a good chunk of money- but I have a hunch that it'll be blown away boxoffice wise by Marvel more often than not.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 15, 2014 15:18:01 GMT -5
The X-Men series has some more confidence (re)building to do. Fox should be proud of how well DOFP has done considering the length of the series and franchise fatigue. It looks like fox is trying to keep the film out so it passes The Last Stands box office take. That's very possible right now. It might not be the top grossing comic book movie of the year but it could end up being the top grossing X-Men movie.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 16, 2014 1:31:06 GMT -5
The X-Men series has some more confidence (re)building to do. Fox should be proud of how well DOFP has done considering the length of the series and franchise fatigue. It looks like fox is trying to keep the film out so it passes The Last Stands box office take. That's very possible right now. It might not be the top grossing comic book movie of the year but it could end up being the top grossing X-Men movie. One thing nice about this 'superhero movie arms race' is this: Fox (most likely) won't ever just 'sit' on the X-men options again without making a movie. All the studios that have a Marvel option (excepting Daredevil for some bizarre reason), are holding onto them for dear life, given what a bargain they now seem like they were to get. If Fox and Singer discover they want to stay together longterm on X-men--- that would be incredible to have him be the 'George Lucas' of the franchise from hereon out. If he knew he would be given enough rope to map out a series of X-men movies ahead of time- that would be fantastic. As it is, I'm totally digging (enough) the rough 'roadmap' that they have had so far- with going ten years from First Class (60s) to Days of Future Past (70s) - and now Apocalypse (80s). It's fun to speculate what/where/how things jump from Apocalypse to the next sequel, if Fassbender/Lawrence/Macavoy's contracts expire. Will it be an ALL- new cast (they were willing to start from scratch suprisingly with First Class) and focus on Jean Grey/ Scott Summers/ Angel (I hope!!!)? Or- will it be only characters not introduced before? If Singer chooses really obscure characters to be the main focus, I'll be disappointed- but, we'll see...
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Post by Metallo on Sept 16, 2014 12:20:41 GMT -5
Fox had to give up Daredevil because they simply ran out of time. Joe Carnahan was developing something but they didn't have time to put it in production. Combine that with the soft performances of the last two DD related movies and Fox was just out of options (no pun intended).
Fox and Sony will never let their rights lapse unless they produce multiple bombs in a row. They've seen the potential of their franchises so know they can make big money. They'll try until they find what works. Of all the rogue marvel properties Id least like to see X-men go back to Marvel. It has enough rich characters to build a separate film universe. Spidey simply doesn't at that level. Ben Reilly, Venom, Spidey 2099, and spider-girl are the best bets for spinoffs but all of those are plays on the original character and just dilute the core character unless they are all amazingly well made. The X-men series has far more unique characters. After that is the FF. If I had to chose I think Id rather see the FF ago back to marvel before any of the others. That mythology would give marvel more to play with like more on the cosmic side with the Surfer and Galactus, big stories like civil war, etc. Spidey is of course the marquee name of the three rogue properties but I could also see the new FF MOVIE flopping so there's a better chance we could see those rights to back to Marvel.
As far as the future of Fox's current series I think Singer needs to expand his creative horizons of the franchise is to grow on today's world of comic book movies. Take some risks. Have some fun. I think we will see new actors take over in classic roles and they may continue on in those roles after apocalypse. The real question is what do they do when Jackman steps down. Simply recast? The same problem comes up with Downey Jr too.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 17, 2014 23:41:48 GMT -5
Fox had to give up Daredevil because they simply ran out of time. Joe Carnahan was developing something but they didn't have time to put it in production. Combine that with the soft performances of the last two DD related movies and Fox was just out of options (no pun intended). Fox and Sony will never let their rights lapse unless they produce multiple bombs in a row. They've seen the potential of their franchises so know they can make big money. They'll try until they find what works. Of all the rogue marvel properties Id least like to see X-men go back to Marvel. It has enough rich characters to build a separate film universe. Spidey simply doesn't at that level. Ben Reilly, Venom, Spidey 2099, and spider-girl are the best bets for spinoffs but all of those are plays on the original character and just dilute the core character unless they are all amazingly well made. The X-men series has far more unique characters. After that is the FF. If I had to chose I think Id rather see the FF ago back to marvel before any of the others. That mythology would give marvel more to play with like more on the cosmic side with the Surfer and Galactus, big stories like civil war, etc. Spidey is of course the marquee name of the three rogue properties but I could also see the new FF MOVIE flopping so there's a better chance we could see those rights to back to Marvel. As far as the future of Fox's current series I think Singer needs to expand his creative horizons of the franchise is to grow on today's world of comic book movies. Take some risks. Have some fun. I think we will see new actors take over in classic roles and they may continue on in those roles after apocalypse. The real question is what do they do when Jackman steps down. Simply recast? The same problem comes up with Downey Jr too. I think in some ways the comic book reboot of the X-men in the 70's forever made it close to impossible to make a truly 'faithful' series of X-men movies.... there's just too many characters to set up/put into place! If there were only the 60's comics with the core original group- (Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, etc.)--- I think it could have stayed closer- but the plus/minus of the X-men universe is that it's so darned big for proper adaptation. Given that- I get the feeling that it's mostly in Singer's hands (perhaps) as to what will happen when the series finally gets to 'now' rather than the 60s, 70s, 80s etc.--- and who will be the important characters at the time. I'm fine with Wolverine finally getting killed off in another X-men movie when Jackman retires- but will ANYONE be 'important' enough a character to stick around? Sadly, it wasn't Cyclops, for sure....
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Post by theoj on Sept 29, 2014 1:39:25 GMT -5
What is shocking about MOS is the huge drop offs, not only on Week 2, but every week after that, and how quickly it disappeared from screens.
Was Word of Mouth that bad or is it simply that all Superman fans came out for opening weekend and after that, there was no one left who wanted to see another Superman film.
I'd say the film was a lot better than Superman Returns... Ok a bit better!
If STM is the Holy Grail of Superman movies, as The Dark Knight is for Batman, then we simply can't expect even Batman v Superman to be the all out saviour and super success that it hopes to be, because those characters have had their time and hit their peak already.
Saying that a billion dollars for BvS is a foregone conclusion may in fact be overly optimistic. Snyder will have to work so hard to make this a great film. Never mind the box office. This film needs to be better than MOS and The Dark Knight Rises to stand any chance of ensuring the legacies of the two greatest superheroes. BvS cannot just aim for the billion dollar mark to ensure the continuation of the franchise. That would only see fading returns for the sequels, until it puffs out, as the new Spider-man franchise seems to be doing.
BvS needs to aim for 2 billion dollars through great word of mouth, connecting with audiences of old and new, but it especially needs to connect with a new young generation of fans, who up until now, have not been interested in Batman or Superman, or have been too young to even be allowed to see the most recent versions. I'm totally up for a PG rated movie that connects with the 6 year old as well as the 16 year old as well as the 66 year old, rather than the gratuitous and usually unnecessary violence that accompanied The Dark Knight (more fittingly) and Man of Steel (unsuccessfully).
BvS needs to aim BIG! Bigger than perhaps Snyder or WB can even imagine right now and I have doubts that they're approaching this the right way. Some amazing advance publicity is required. But the real test will come, not in its opening weekend, but in its 5th or 6th weekend, to see if it stands up to Captain America 3; and since Star Wars will have been out for at least 3 months, in comparison to its worldwide box office.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 1, 2014 8:37:16 GMT -5
Anything short of exceptional reviews and box office is going to be considered something of a failure for BvS after such a big deal has been made about. Besides justice league this is the biggest attention getter in comic book movies. The only thing that would even come close is Marvel striking a deal with Sony and Fox. also beat captain America, Xmen, Amazinfg spiderman 2 but you better mention MOS None of those were ever expected to be what MOS was because they didn't put the push behind them as big as MOS's. This was DC's big kickoff with a ton riding on it. They slapped the names of two of their biggest guns and biggest movies on MOS's marketing and domestically they still got their asses kicked by a nobody director and his no name property of a movie. That's the power of quality and positive word of mouth.
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Post by Shane on Oct 2, 2014 22:24:58 GMT -5
nice attempted cover up there
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Post by Metallo on Oct 4, 2014 12:26:05 GMT -5
Nice attempt at a comeback. Maybe...just maybe MOS got brought up cause it's a Superman forum. Shocking I know. GOTG was a D list property and it still kicked MOS's booty domestically and critically. And most of the other films you mentioned didn't have the push (or budget...lol) behind them that MOS did. X-men? Really? That's your response? An underfunded movie from almost a decade and a half ago? Way to to deflect the point the guy was trying to make bro.
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Post by atp on Oct 5, 2014 15:17:38 GMT -5
nice attempted cover up there Stop trolling here.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 21, 2014 9:51:36 GMT -5
It's passed it globally too. Not just domestically but in international markets as well. And it's still in theaters. I think the Marvel method of building the power of the brand has proven successful. WB needs to be careful not to rush things. And the lack of a shared universe all around could bite them in the booty depending on how things go.
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