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Post by crown on May 16, 2015 7:30:59 GMT -5
I still think it's the first flight scene in Supergirl.. those flying sequences have yet to be topped.
I appreciated the sheer velocity of Cavill in MOS but his first flight scene doesn't compare to Supergirl's.
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Post by atp on May 16, 2015 7:56:28 GMT -5
I love the chasing rockets flying scene in STM.
All of the take offs and landings in S3 are incredible too. They looked so real. Look at how he takes off to rescue the people on the roof at the chemicals plant. And the way he lands at the lake before freezing it.
Not really "flying" but I thought the way he launches out of the acid in the junkyard was brilliant as well.
I thought MoS had awful flying scenes. They all looked fake, like a video game. The speed made it look even more fake.
There are very few actors who are a joy to watch moving. Bruce Lee was one. Christopher Reeve was another.
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Post by dejan on May 16, 2015 8:16:55 GMT -5
I love the chasing rockets flying scene in STM. All of the take offs and landings in S3 are incredible too. They looked so real. Look at how he takes off to rescue the people on the roof at the chemicals plant. And the way he lands at the lake before freezing it. Not really "flying" but I thought the way he launches out of the acid in the junkyard was brilliant as well. I thought MoS had awful flying scenes. They all looked fake, like a video game. The speed made it look even more fake. There are very few actors who are a joy to watch moving. Bruce Lee was one. Christopher Reeve was another. Agreed on all the above.
It is not for nothing that Roy Field said that : "the best special effect was Christopher Reeve himself"
It is amazing that both modern contemporary flicks(Superman Returns and Man Of Steel) completely missed this vital essence of the character--flight.
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Post by dejan on May 16, 2015 8:24:35 GMT -5
I still think it's the first flight scene in Supergirl.. those flying sequences have yet to be topped. I appreciated the sheer velocity of Cavill in MOS but his first flight scene doesn't compare to Supergirl's. I also think the other flight scene just after ethan is zapped by Selena from the beach back to her HQ--and Supergirl goes in pursuit is also pretty amazing.
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Post by atp on May 16, 2015 8:48:51 GMT -5
In STM, when Reeve takes off after giving Frisky back, he does the same kind of graceful "ballet" that Helen Slater did in Supergirl.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 16, 2015 10:05:05 GMT -5
I love the chasing rockets flying scene in STM. All of the take offs and landings in S3 are incredible too. They looked so real. Look at how he takes off to rescue the people on the roof at the chemicals plant. And the way he lands at the lake before freezing it. Not really "flying" but I thought the way he launches out of the acid in the junkyard was brilliant as well. I thought MoS had awful flying scenes. They all looked fake, like a video game. The speed made it look even more fake. There are very few actors who are a joy to watch moving. Bruce Lee was one. Christopher Reeve was another. Agreed on all the above.
It is not for nothing that Roy Field said that : "the best special effect was Christopher Reeve himself"
It is amazing that both modern contemporary flicks(Superman Returns and Man Of Steel) completely missed this vital essence of the character--flight.
I think Donner (and even the director of Supergirl) realized the beauty of the idea of a human being able to fly and communicated it on screen wonderfully. Lester was too much in 'tv directing mode' (fast and quick) and did things effectively, but never had that in his head- or at least it seemed that way. Singer had some interesting touches to flight I think in SR, but MOS was just devoted to just 'steadicam' and sloppy power. Snyder's one strength was style and I was looking forward to seeing how he would envision superpowers onscreen- but his choices were disappointing for the most part. I would have rather he kept to the '300' style with MOS....
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Post by ChrisM on May 22, 2015 10:01:52 GMT -5
I still think it's the first flight scene in Supergirl.. those flying sequences have yet to be topped. I respectfully disagree. It is an achievement as a physical effect - it demonstrates improvements in wire harness control that we didn't see in any of the Superman films. While I can appreciate that aspect, Slater looks like she's a cirque de soleil performer and not someone projecting direct control of her movements. It's artistically beautiful and I'd pay money to see that on a Broadway stage but it's not convincing in terms of human flight. Once we get to the opticals it is even more apparent that you need an actor that can sell the effect. Slater looks like she's trying to flap her wings like a duck. I get that she may have wanted to differentiate her performance, but Reeve just brought a different mindset - and quite frankly we may never see the likes of that again with CGI/green screen having completely taken over. Don't get me started on MOS. Any film made in this era is just not going to deliver a flying performance worth remembering. I even read one review of STM that complains that the flying sequences go on too long and kill the pace. That's the attention-deficit culture we're up against today.
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Post by crown on May 23, 2015 2:33:52 GMT -5
Well I think we're comparing masculine flying with feminine flying. Reeve was in total control of his flying because he's a guy and Slater flew gracefully because she's a girl.
And as for man of steel... yes it kinds sucked in some ways.. even the flying but Supes is supposed to fly faster than a speeding bullet after all and this was conveyed well.
As speaking of Supergirl.. what was that $hit Zoltar was squirting in his mouth? Did he pour water into a empty squirt bottle so that he could make it last longer by only drinking a misty squirt at a time? fuuck.... god damm makes me want a sweet sweet squirt of Supergirl.....
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Post by magicjim on May 25, 2015 19:42:55 GMT -5
All of the take offs and landings in S3 are incredible too. They looked so real. Look at how he takes off to rescue the people on the roof at the chemicals plant. And the way he lands at the lake before freezing it. I also love Reeve's takeoff when he comes out of the bar as Evil Supes. Ricky is saying, "Your're just in a slump...." Great takeoff.
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Post by ChrisM on May 26, 2015 10:12:53 GMT -5
Well I think we're comparing masculine flying with feminine flying. Reeve was in total control of his flying because he's a guy and Slater flew gracefully because she's a girl. We'll have to agree to disagree. And as for man of steel... yes it kinds sucked in some ways.. even the flying but Supes is supposed to fly faster than a speeding bullet after all and this was conveyed well. Just because he can fly that fast doesn't mean he should, all the time. Let's face it, it has little to do with reverence for the character and everything to do with what this generation thinks is "appropriately cool".
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Post by crown on May 26, 2015 21:56:44 GMT -5
All of the take offs and landings in S3 are incredible too. They looked so real. Look at how he takes off to rescue the people on the roof at the chemicals plant. And the way he lands at the lake before freezing it. I also love Reeve's takeoff when he comes out of the bar as Evil Supes. Ricky is saying, "Your're just in a slump...." Great takeoff. Yeah Superman should have flown back down to Ricky and said "SLUMP!?!?! Kid.. I just did the best takeoff I ever did in all 4 movies!! Now you go home right now and buy your mama a drink at the bar before I make an honest woman out of her yo!"
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Post by crown on May 26, 2015 21:59:09 GMT -5
Well I think we're comparing masculine flying with feminine flying. Reeve was in total control of his flying because he's a guy and Slater flew gracefully because she's a girl. We'll have to agree to disagree. And as for man of steel... yes it kinds sucked in some ways.. even the flying but Supes is supposed to fly faster than a speeding bullet after all and this was conveyed well. Just because he can fly that fast doesn't mean he should, all the time. Let's face it, it has little to do with reverence for the character and everything to do with what this generation thinks is "appropriately cool". Well I basically agree... but consider this: if you were out flying for the first time wouldn't you want to fly at fast as you possibly could? The thrill of the sensation of speed accelerating faster and faster was palpable on Cavill's face.
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Post by ChrisM on May 28, 2015 11:39:26 GMT -5
We'll have to agree to disagree. Just because he can fly that fast doesn't mean he should, all the time. Let's face it, it has little to do with reverence for the character and everything to do with what this generation thinks is "appropriately cool". Well I basically agree... but consider this: if you were out flying for the first time wouldn't you want to fly at fast as you possibly could? The thrill of the sensation of speed accelerating faster and faster was palpable on Cavill's face. Honestly I would probably be more content to coast and glide. At warp speed I wouldn't be able to take in and appreciate anything... everything would just be a blur. Sure I'd go faster if I needed to chase after something or be somewhere in a hurry, but otherwise, what's the point?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 30, 2015 16:35:02 GMT -5
Well I basically agree... but consider this: if you were out flying for the first time wouldn't you want to fly at fast as you possibly could? The thrill of the sensation of speed accelerating faster and faster was palpable on Cavill's face. Honestly I would probably be more content to coast and glide. At warp speed I wouldn't be able to take in and appreciate anything... everything would just be a blur. Sure I'd go faster if I needed to chase after something or be somewhere in a hurry, but otherwise, what's the point? Agreed. If everything's a blur, then it's hard to enjoy. I think there's a good reason that Supes flew slow with Lois in STM. If Snyder directed that 'flying ballet' scene, I think it'd be less romantic--- especially the part where Supes drops Lois, if going at breakneck speeds. On the other hand, we'd lose that horrible, "Can you read my mind?" song....
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Post by crown on May 30, 2015 18:33:44 GMT -5
Well I basically agree... but consider this: if you were out flying for the first time wouldn't you want to fly at fast as you possibly could? The thrill of the sensation of speed accelerating faster and faster was palpable on Cavill's face. Honestly I would probably be more content to coast and glide. At warp speed I wouldn't be able to take in and appreciate anything... everything would just be a blur. Sure I'd go faster if I needed to chase after something or be somewhere in a hurry, but otherwise, what's the point? Aww man... I dunno have you been on a roller coaster or race car?.. the sensation of speed is something I don't believe anyone of us could resist for very long. Also isn't Superman supposed to be faster than s speeding bullet? ...not more graceful than an aerial ballerina!! We need to have the best of both worlds in Superman.. a Superman who one day can gracefully fly with Lois and save a cat from a tree and the next day fly at super sonic speeds and throw down with Zod.
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 1, 2015 14:57:54 GMT -5
Honestly I would probably be more content to coast and glide. At warp speed I wouldn't be able to take in and appreciate anything... everything would just be a blur. Sure I'd go faster if I needed to chase after something or be somewhere in a hurry, but otherwise, what's the point? Aww man... I dunno have you been on a roller coaster or race car? Roller coaster speed is what? 70 mph? That would give quite a rush but it's still relatively slow and can be easily be framed in-camera... only extreme closeups would be counterproductive. The speeds portrayed in MOS were probably at least 800 mph. Unless you're several hundred feet up in the troposphere (essentially removed from the target environment), such "bullet velocity" makes image processing quite pointless. If all we're seeing is a blur flyby, the same also holds true for the other POV. Mosquitoes and horse flies exhibit the kind of stop-and-go acceleration that you're asking for... and yet I don't think anyone is wishing they could adopt the bug's POV so they can zip and zag and incredible speeds relative to their environment. I'd like to ask Snyder if they studied bug flight patterns when storyboarding those scenes, seriously.
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