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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 7, 2015 12:22:51 GMT -5
Richard Donner seems in semi-retirement, but 16 Blocks (his last film) seemed very well-received, and unless he's bad with his money, should be set for life many times over I'd imagine from the Lethal Weapon movies.
Richard Lester quit/retired after a stunt man I believe died on his last film. Dunno what he's been doing since.
Margot seems to have built a life outside of Hollywood in her community.
Hackman's retired: same thing- with his bulk of work, presumably ok.
Baird is called in now and then it seems to rescue the stray big budget film (Casino Royale, Green Lantern). Or try to.
Others?
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Post by crown on Jun 7, 2015 14:19:59 GMT -5
For some reason I always wondered what happened to Mark Pillow. I heard he moved to California and got into the wine making business. He really should have opened a tanning salon however... think of the possibilities!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 8, 2015 0:44:19 GMT -5
There was a link here awhile ago with a radio interview with Mark Pillow, who seemed really down to earth in talking about Superman IV and what happened to him afterwards. If I recall correctly, basically, rather than go down a path of self-destruction like a good number of artists, he actually seemed pretty level headed as he switched over to business and family. If there's any trace of bitterness, it sure didn't come through in the interview.
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Post by zuperman on Jun 8, 2015 1:59:45 GMT -5
I enjoy a fine cola, but only sparingly. Calories can add up quickly.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 8, 2015 22:31:33 GMT -5
I think Shatner will outlast all the people you mentioned because the man keeps EXTREMELY active and seems to have a positive outlook on life.
I guess I'd be concerned about his weight, but at the same time, he's literally all over the place. The guy never stops doing conventions, commercials, TV shows, and all sorts of projects and publicity stunts.
Still, he *IS* about 84 years old and---let's be honest---he's overweight, but he still seems to have incredible energy and vitality for a man who is 84. Compared to Connery, Moore and Hackman who have seemed to slow down significantly, Shatner is like the Energizer Bunny. So I think that barring a car accident or something like that, (God forbid), I think he will have a few more good years. Hopefully.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 9, 2015 23:45:54 GMT -5
I think Shatner will outlast all the people you mentioned because the man keeps EXTREMELY active and seems to have a positive outlook on life. I guess I'd be concerned about his weight, but at the same time, he's literally all over the place. The guy never stops doing conventions, commercials, TV shows, and all sorts of projects and publicity stunts. Still, he *IS* about 84 years old and---let's be honest---he's overweight, but he still seems to have incredible energy and vitality for a man who is 84. Compared to Connery, Moore and Hackman who have seemed to slow down significantly, Shatner is like the Energizer Bunny. So I think that barring a car accident or something like that, (God forbid), I think he will have a few more good years. Hopefully. I'm surprised he hasn't elected to have any surgery to do a quick fix for the weight issue, given his wealth. I admire Shatner's energy and enthusiasm, but, darn, he sure seems to have a way off pissing off co-workers, it seems. That part isn't as admirable.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 10, 2015 14:15:46 GMT -5
I'm sure Shatner had a way of pissing people off back in the day, but I do think much of the Shatner-bashing from his co-stars is more of a combination of old grudges from the old days + publicity stunts to keep the supporting cast members in the spotlight.
I was listening to audiobook of his last book and Shatner made a point that I thought was interesting: He's been saying the last few years that the supporting cast started attending conventions and began getting treated like royalty and top Hollywood movie stars by the Trek fans and began confusing their supporting roles with being the star.
I thought that kinda made sense, but then Shatner cited one example that I thought drove the point: During a photo shoot for one of the Trek movies, Shatner was seated in the captain's chair in the middle when James Doohan began complaining: "Why does he always have to be in the front and center?"
Which kinda makes me think, "Uhhhh, h-e-l--l-o! He's the star of the franchise!"
I went to a Doohan convention around 1995-96, and while he was great with the fans, he was Shatner-bashing onstage all the way through and the fans were all eating it up, egging him on like bloodthirsty vampires. I've been to a few conventions over the years, but this one sticks out as being the strangest convention I ever went to. Just bad energy in the place. A little Shatner bashing was expected, (I remember he called him Ensign Kirk), but man...it was absolutely relentless. I had gotten the impression that if Shatner showed up, everyone would've thrown rocks for an old-fashioning stoning.
I guess fans can turn into mobs: I remember going to a Jonathan Frakes convention when TNG was still on the air and the Q&A session was ALL about the Riker-Troi relationship and where it was going. I remember I wanted to ask him if he ever planned on directing a Star Trek feature film, which I thought would've been a great question at the time considering he had directed a few episodes, but I never got to ask my question and all everyone asked about was Riker-Troi. And then of course, the years went by and he directed First Contact and Insurrection. To this day, when I think of that convention, I wonder what his response at the time might've been.
Still, I digress, I was glad I got to meet Doohan. When it was my turn to get my autograph, he smiled at me and shook my hand, so I have to give him credit for coming across as genuine and friendly, so that was the best part of the convention. Again, he was great with the fans.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 10, 2015 21:54:19 GMT -5
I'm sure Shatner had a way of pissing people off back in the day, but I do think much of the Shatner-bashing from his co-stars is more of a combination of old grudges from the old days + publicity stunts to keep the supporting cast members in the spotlight. I was listening to audiobook of his last book and Shatner made a point that I thought was interesting: He's been saying the last few years that the supporting cast started attending conventions and began getting treated like royalty and top Hollywood movie stars by the Trek fans and began confusing their supporting roles with being the star. I thought that kinda made sense, but then Shatner cited one example that I thought drove the point: During a photo shoot for one of the Trek movies, Shatner was seated in the captain's chair in the middle when James Doohan began complaining: "Why does he always have to be in the front and center?" Which kinda makes me think, "Uhhhh, h-e-l--l-o! He's the star of the franchise!" I went to a Doohan convention around 1995-96, and while he was great with the fans, he was Shatner-bashing onstage all the way through and the fans were all eating it up, egging him on like bloodthirsty vampires. I've been to a few conventions over the years, but this one sticks out as being the strangest convention I ever went to. Just bad energy in the place. A little Shatner bashing was expected, (I remember he called him Ensign Kirk), but man...it was absolutely relentless. I had gotten the impression that if Shatner showed up, everyone would've thrown rocks for an old-fashioning stoning. I guess fans can turn into mobs: I remember going to a Jonathan Frakes convention when TNG was still on the air and the Q&A session was ALL about the Riker-Troi relationship and where it was going. I remember I wanted to ask him if he ever planned on directing a Star Trek feature film, which I thought would've been a great question at the time considering he had directed a few episodes, but I never got to ask my question and all everyone asked about was Riker-Troi. And then of course, the years went by and he directed First Contact and Insurrection. To this day, when I think of that convention, I wonder what his response at the time might've been. Still, I digress, I was glad I got to meet Doohan. When it was my turn to get my autograph, he smiled at me and shook my hand, so I have to give him credit for coming across as genuine and friendly, so that was the best part of the convention. Again, he was great with the fans. Ironically, if memory serves right, the Shatner books on the ST movies were great and seemed very well balanced, (though I have this odd feeling Shatner didn't write it himself, it just doesn't seem like Shatner would be all that interested in the details of the movies). Thanks for sharing the con experience. I've only been to a handful with Trek folks: Patrick Stewart was great, though I could tell he was still getting used to the idea of fans walking out to buy stuff in the middle of a panel- as opposed to being in the theatre, where it would be a giant deal; Marina Sirtis I saw twice: once, when she was gathering fan signatures to stay on the show (it was the first season when the writers realized her role wasn't quite working) - and - a few years ago, not long after the Trek reboot. The lady is more than a little bitter and while she was pleasant enough to fans, every few minutes she would send a sarcastic remark out there that made one feel like she had a good amount of contempt for the fans. Both times she did seem more than a little arrogant under the surface. Anyhow- It's hard to know for sure why Shatner's co-stars hated him so much.... only Shatner and his costars know the real story. It is interesting how Nimoy seems (if not loved), then at least respected by the costars- at least publicly, even though he ended up outshining Shatner on the series when it first aired. So.... one can't help but wonder why Shatner's behavior differed so much from Nimoy's as to generate so much resentment over the years. Nicolas Meyer mentioned in his book about filming the Trek movies how Shatner was not the easiest to direct, but then again- considering that contractually Shatner was supposed to be entitled to direct Trek 6 (since Nimoy got to direct 2 films)--- it had to be more than a bit humbling to NOT be asked (and I think paid off not to) to direct 6. In any case- It's weird how we get this sense of a family dynamic from the tv show and movies, and we get a second sense of a family dynamic from the conventions and internet. It's more than a little sad that now that the cast are old senior citizens, that the rage and anger is still there. Pity. On a sidenote: have you ever seen the video with Shanter and Nimoy interviewing one another about fame and old age? I don't know if it's of interest to everyone, but it was the most revealing interview I'd ever seen of these two guys. The second most revealing bit was the 'captains conference' blu ray extra that showed Shatner being called out by Nimoy as a liar in front of Stewart and Frakes about why Shatner wouldn't watch a single episode of TNG. And only Nimoy had the cred to be able to call his friend out on it. Definitely worth checking out, if you haven't seen it, btw!
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 11, 2015 0:51:58 GMT -5
My theory:
Shatner personifies ambition.
He was determined to be successful and was, and no matter what you may think of him, I respect how relentlessly he pursued success and achieved it. When so many of Shatner's contemporaries have either passed away or become forever typecast in a certain role, Shatner did not allow his type-cast to prevent him from remaining a pop-culturally significant personality in movies, books, magazines, video games, music and TV shows that not only involve action, but almost every TV genre throughout the course of the last 50 years.
He fought for his career, and even went through some tough times, living in a rust-bucket pick-up truck right after Star Trek's cancellation and divorce, but came at the end of it a successful and wealthy man.
He has done it all.
And you know what?
I admire that.
But I can see how that ambition may have rubbed people the wrong way.
Nimoy had an ego, but seemed more down-to-earth and low-key about his ego while Shatner was like that boulder from the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark, relentlessly pursuing his career with his big, extravert personality.
I've been a huge Shatner fan my whole life. I've followed his career, and he has reinvented himself endlessly to stay relevant.
He makes it look easy, laughing and poking fun at himself, but the man doesn't stop working. He always traveling, going to conventions, talk shows, interviews, coming up with publicity stunts and remaining a perennial fixture in Entertainment news. And he's been doing it at an age when most men are retired, are sick, or have died. He's almost 85 years old! Shatner has carried on like he was 20 years younger.
I don't know that I've seen a celebrity earn his wealth as much as Shatner has...love him or hate him.
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Post by zuperman on Jun 11, 2015 3:33:31 GMT -5
Enrique - nothing you have said is false but, it's really from a fan's point of view. Shatner may be ambitous, works hard - lots of drive - but, he's simply 'lucky' to be alive. You don't get to choose if you'll be healthy. You do get to choose if you'll be sick: tobaco, drugs, booze, sleep, food - etc... Doohan got Alzeimer's which is genetic in part - Shatner could've gotten it too. From my point of view if Shatner is hated by many people - he's been an azzhole to them. If he's loved by others - he's been a nice guy to them. For his wealth...if you read Trek Memories - Shatner slept in a pick-up for a while - after the series and before the movies. He had it tough. Shatner is typecast too - I know Hooker and some other roles he played but they are all shadowed (to almost total darkness) by Kirk. New movies are ok. Star Trek Continues is great. But - there's always a little spice called SHATNER missing. His overacting-ownership of the role made is so that the character is equal or superior to the actor. Creation over creator. I'm not saying all this because I'm a fan or not a fan - simple observation.
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Post by atp on Jun 11, 2015 7:05:44 GMT -5
Anyone think William Shatner in the 1960s would have been good as Felix Leiter in the Bond films?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 11, 2015 10:30:43 GMT -5
I admire the drive that Shatner has- but Nimoy also had been just as active, though in quieter venues. Have you viewed that Shatner/Nimoy interview (I wish I could remember the name of it, darn it)- they really go into almost all the topics one wonders about...
The one thing that I don't think gets mentioned so much, but was in one of Shatner's autobio was how Shatner's dad had been extremely negative about the whole acting profession and made him feel like a bum for pursuing it.
While I hear some folks are driven when a parent berates them or is negative towards them- others have a scar that puts a chip in theit shoulder, I wouldn't be suprised if that's the case that may have made Shatner different than Nimoy--- Nimoy also is/was suprisingly a lot like Spock- more introspective and went into therapy to gain more objectivity and insight into personal issues and growth..... Shatner (as far as I know and the interview) never went into this path, and one wonders if ambition and jumping from project to project is a good fit for old age if there's little insight.
It's funny how in a way Shatner and Nimoy were very similar to their Trek counterparts. Someone once said that if you took the best qualities of both Kirk and Spock, you'd have the ideal person to strive to be. Could be.
Oddly, in some ways, Jackie Chan (from what I'm told by folks who are giant fans of his)'s life also seems a bit Shatner-ized, (though perhaps TOO eager to die for audience applause), with his new life passion to be a 'serious actor' now that he can't do action films anymore. I guess it's admirable that these old guys aren't letting life push them into a deep depression (very easy to do, my older stepfather fell into this) but I think I'd be more impressed if they put all their years of experience of filmmaking into becoming awesome directors (Hi Clint Eastwood!)but the fact that both are still active 24/7 is inspiring nontheless.
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Post by zuperman on Jun 12, 2015 0:33:16 GMT -5
On my, so many wonderful actors in this thread. Even if they haven't acted recently, we can always appreciate their work.
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Post by atp on Jun 12, 2015 1:32:49 GMT -5
That's the best thing about CGI villains. They never age.
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Post by dejan on Jun 12, 2015 5:14:55 GMT -5
That's the best thing about CGI villains. They never age. Speaking of which....have you seen the footage of CGI Arnie from the new Terminator film---that is the best I have seen so far when it comes to depicting a younger "real life" human CGI actor(the young CGI Jeff Bridges in TRon legacy looked quite hokey in 2010). here is the link: www.yahoo.com/movies/james-cameron-genisys-terminator-endorsement-121016156362.htmlProbably should have posted this in Don's diner.....but what the heck!
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 12, 2015 10:41:14 GMT -5
Enrique - nothing you have said is false but, it's really from a fan's point of view. Shatner may be ambitous, works hard - lots of drive - but, he's simply 'lucky' to be alive. You don't get to choose if you'll be healthy. You do get to choose if you'll be sick: tobaco, drugs, booze, sleep, food - etc... Doohan got Alzeimer's which is genetic in part - Shatner could've gotten it too. From my point of view if Shatner is hated by many people - he's been an azzhole to them. If he's loved by others - he's been a nice guy to them. For his wealth...if you read Trek Memories - Shatner slept in a pick-up for a while - after the series and before the movies. He had it tough. Shatner is typecast too - I know Hooker and some other roles he played but they are all shadowed (to almost total darkness) by Kirk. New movies are ok. Star Trek Continues is great. But - there's always a little spice called SHATNER missing. His overacting-ownership of the role made is so that the character is equal or superior to the actor. Creation over creator. I'm not saying all this because I'm a fan or not a fan - simple observation.
I agree in part, but I also think Shatner---despite his weight in recent years---has probably taken care of himself better than some of those you mentioned. Doohan was a heavy smoker and then got fat. Nimoy was an alcoholic and a heavy smoker until he around 55 years old. DeForest Kelley was a heavy smoker until after ST VI and quit only when his health began to fail. I know Shatner himself was a smoker but he quit while relatively young (I believe he was still filming TOS when he quit. He's also vain as heck, so I know he kept himself in shape throughout the 80s, particularly while filming TJ Hooker. But that's always been Shatner's "health kryptonite". He's genetically predisposed to be on the heavier side, so he had to work like heck to keep himself in shape. I know he started jogging like crazy, visiting dietary and health retreats, when Star Trek: The Motion Picture was announced. Shatner is and always will be Captain Kirk, but unlike Adam West, Robert Conrad, and many of his 1960s TV show contemporaries, Shatner's career really flourish and stayed pretty darn close to the spotlight considering he's been past his prime several decades. Yeah, he's Captain Kirk, but he has found success writing best sellers (some of them non-Trek related), winning Emmys for non-Trek related projects, having a few non-Trek related hit TV shows, (Hooker, Rescue 911, Boston Legal), albums, publicity stunts, and a bunch of other things that has kept him a perennial fixture in show business. So yeah, he's absolutely going to be Kirk forever, (just like Connery will always be Bond, or Reeve will always be Superman), but he's been able to transcend type-casting into
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Post by zuperman on Jun 13, 2015 0:02:14 GMT -5
I value the health of our elderly population, and I wish them all good health.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 14, 2015 8:41:30 GMT -5
Well, we don't know exactly when, but he *is* 84, so yeah probably "soon".
He has said it himself actually.
But I wasn't trying to say he would make it to 105 or that he is immune to disease, just that he seems livelier, busier and more engaged in his career than most of his contemporaries.
Which is nice to see.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 14, 2015 13:28:46 GMT -5
Well, we don't know exactly when, but he *is* 84, so yeah probably "soon". He has said it himself actually. But I wasn't trying to say he would make it to 105 or that he is immune to disease, just that he seems livelier, busier and more engaged in his career than most of his contemporaries. Which is nice to see. You never know. I was suprised how many friends have suffered GIANT health problems - regardless of exercise, diet, etc. over time. But.... The credit I give Shatner for- putting himself out there, over and over again, in spite of what has to be even harsher rejection than what one would get in earlier years. As far as how he treats people.... I don't think that smoke always means fire, but I do think that at his age, he's unlikely to change his default behavior much at this point. And- I think even those who hated his behavior would miss him once his flame goes out.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 14, 2015 13:30:11 GMT -5
On another note- was Chris Reeve a 'Shatner' pre-accident?
With a number of co-workers saying he was a bit of a prima dona on STM at times to co-workers, kind of sounds like there's some truth to it, but Reeve in his books criticizes his own behavior when younger in his memoirs, (and apologizes to some of the folks, too) So what can you say?
Shatner not so much....
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Post by zuperman on Jun 16, 2015 3:24:37 GMT -5
Well, we don't know exactly when, but he *is* 84, so yeah probably "soon". He has said it himself actually. But I wasn't trying to say he would make it to 105 or that he is immune to disease, just that he seems livelier, busier and more engaged in his career than most of his contemporaries. Which is nice to see. I agree with your opinion. You are an astute observer. I love you, my friend.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2015 20:53:23 GMT -5
I think Shatner will outlast all the people you mentioned because the man keeps EXTREMELY active and seems to have a positive outlook on life. I guess I'd be concerned about his weight, but at the same time, he's literally all over the place. The guy never stops doing conventions, commercials, TV shows, and all sorts of projects and publicity stunts. Still, he *IS* about 84 years old and---let's be honest---he's overweight, but he still seems to have incredible energy and vitality for a man who is 84. Compared to Connery, Moore and Hackman who have seemed to slow down significantly, Shatner is like the Energizer Bunny. So I think that barring a car accident or something like that, (God forbid), I think he will have a few more good years. Hopefully. Yeah I never thought Shatner would outlive Nimoy until the last few years. When I saw Nimoy in a wheelchair my heart sank. The Shat always seemed to be mentally sharp and despite his age and size pretty energetic. Even in the movies he always seemed to be more physical than Nimoy and looked more credible doing it. To me Shatner kept pretty fit right up until V. It wasnt until VI that I noticed him gaining weight and even then he could do the action stuff. Compared to Connery he's got a lot more zip. Yeah all these guys have health problems but they are in their 80s. I noticed West seems to have physically slowed down a bit. Mentally he's still sharp for a guy born in 1928. And for his age he seems pretty healthy. I like how he and Shatner both embraced these public personas that are based on them. They both got second careers out of it. Shatner to greater success but still. Neither one let typecasting do them in. Recently I was thinking now West navigated those issues in a way George Reeves couldn't (if you buy the official story).
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 19, 2015 13:13:26 GMT -5
I always had a feeling Shatner would be this way in old age.
His vanity, his work ethic, his energy.
"Old age" can strike at any moment, but he has a spark in his step and a gleam in his eye that some of his other contemporaries have lost.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 20, 2015 10:00:18 GMT -5
I always had a feeling Shatner would be this way in old age. His vanity, his work ethic, his energy. "Old age" can strike at any moment, but he has a spark in his step and a gleam in his eye that some of his other contemporaries have lost. I admire his energy and his follow-through... but his work ethic is tainted, as it definitely seems like he's not a team player or a born leader who thinks in the long term. He's a fantastic entertainer, but one whose behavior seems apparently out of touch with people around him at times. He produced and 'interviewed' other captains in a show he produced, and pretty much bullied the actress who played Captain Janeway to answer his questions the way he wanted. (It's not 60 minutes, Shat.) It wasn't that bad, but it definitely stuck out for me why Mr. Shatner will never win awards for sensitivity to co-workers or people he interviews. I don't think his co-workers were saints on Trek, and I think most every actor has a giant ego that probably crosses the line more than it should- but I think there's definitely certain things to admire with Shat and other things that do make him probably a jerk.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 22, 2015 18:40:04 GMT -5
Shatner can be a dik but I think he exaggerates it for his public persona sometimes too.
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