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Post by atp on Aug 25, 2015 13:15:23 GMT -5
.... is it possible Jean Claude van Damme would have been cast as Nuclear Man?
He had just burst onto the scene in 1987 with Bloodsport (also a Cannon film) and by 1988, he was already rising in the public consciousness and had started building a fanbase. He had not yet made Kickboxer, but I remember in 1988, people already knew who he was and were awestruck.
If I were Menahem Golan, I would have used him. A movie with two icons like that would have been a big draw in the 1980s.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 25, 2015 15:31:29 GMT -5
.... is it possible Jean Claude van Damme would have been cast as Nuclear Man? He had just burst onto the scene in 1987 with Bloodsport (also a Cannon film) and by 1988, he was already rising in the public consciousness and had started building a fanbase. He had not yet made Kickboxer, but I remember in 1988, people already knew who he was and were awestruck. If I were Menahem Golan, I would have used him. A movie with two icons like that would have been a big draw in the 1980s. Couldn't have hurt the film... Though I'm glad there was no shot of Nuclear Man doing the splits during the moon battle...
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Post by Metallo on Aug 25, 2015 20:08:11 GMT -5
I don't think so. I think Pillow was cast for his stature. Van Damme was muscular but not tall. Would have at least been funny if Dolph Lundgren had been cast as Nuclear man. It's the kind of role I think he would have thought was beneath him by then though. No way he would have done it.
Now if cannon had still had and used the Spiderman rights I wouldn't be surprised if they'd put him that somewhere. Maybe not Spidey but something. If the flick had been made mid 80s they might have let him do the stunts.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 26, 2015 17:53:25 GMT -5
I don't think so. I think Pillow was cast for his stature. Van Damme was muscular but not tall. Would have at least been funny if Dolph Lundgren had been cast as Nuclear man. It's the kind of role I think he would have thought was beneath him by then though. No way he would have done it. Now if cannon had still had and used the Spiderman rights I wouldn't be surprised if they'd put him that somewhere. Maybe not Spidey but something. If the flick had been made mid 80s they might have let him do the stunts. Dolph would have been great as Nuclear Man- at least he would have had more of a menacing look. Mark Pillow seems like a nice guy in interviews, but he definitely wasn't scary.
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Post by atp on Aug 31, 2015 5:40:44 GMT -5
When S4 came out, several of my school friends thought that Nuclear Man was Dolph Lundgren. They just assumed it was the same guy who was in Masters of the Universe!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 31, 2015 16:51:40 GMT -5
When S4 came out, several of my school friends thought that Nuclear Man was Dolph Lundgren. They just assumed it was the same guy who was in Masters of the Universe! Ever since the idea of Dolph Lungren got put out there- hard to get it out of my head. Would have been great casting!
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Post by atp on Sept 1, 2015 4:00:48 GMT -5
Was MoTU being filmed at exactly the same time as S4? Maybe Dolph would have been used but was unavailable?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 1, 2015 23:11:53 GMT -5
Was MoTU being filmed at exactly the same time as S4? Maybe Dolph would have been used but was unavailable? I doubt it- the casting would be wishful thinking. Dolph was offered the lead part in a big budget MOTU film- and SIV wasn't necessarily the 'hot' project that even the old cast members necessarily wanted to come back to--- In Reeves' eyes, he wanted that comeback so bad--- and fans wanted it to be great, after SIII. Sad how such good intentions resulted in a Hwood embarrassment. On the other hand, years later, I'm still glad it exists versus not at all.....
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Post by atp on Sept 1, 2015 23:19:22 GMT -5
Was MoTU really considered prestigious though?
I have only seen it once - and that was decades ago - but I remember having the impression it was a typical Cannon film.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 2, 2015 9:19:00 GMT -5
Was MoTU really considered prestigious though? I have only seen it once - and that was decades ago - but I remember having the impression it was a typical Cannon film. It was a huge budget ($20 mil I believe) for its time- but, like many other Canon films- a big bomb. Canon was almost like the Salkinds x100 at the time. At least they got things done and made a loud noise, getting big stars. I forget what their big hits were, but they lined up huge talent, gave them big paychecks- then came out with movies that had schlocky production values, questionable editing, but sometimes still worked enough.
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Post by atp on Sept 2, 2015 9:33:02 GMT -5
I thought The Delta Force was probably Cannon's best film. The first half still stands up very well, although it degenerates into silliness later on.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 2, 2015 23:54:34 GMT -5
I thought The Delta Force was probably Cannon's best film. The first half still stands up very well, although it degenerates into silliness later on. Heard it was a good watch. I remember working in a video rental store around the time Canon was in its heyday. It's weird how Canon wasn't exactly Troma- yet was still a bit of a joke, despite nabbing the big names. Would have been interesting to see how they would have developed, if they survived. Would they have been content to give big paychecks to the stars, but have nothing left in the budget for the rest of their film? One wonders.... (Still trying to also figure out HOW in the heck they would have made Superman V out of deleted scenes from IV. Yikes.)
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Post by Metallo on Sept 7, 2015 20:52:32 GMT -5
Was MoTU really considered prestigious though? I have only seen it once - and that was decades ago - but I remember having the impression it was a typical Cannon film. For a Cannon fantasy adventure genre film it looked pretty good. Just compare it to some of the other comic book/fantasy/sci to stuff they did. But I'd give most of the credit for that to Gary Goddard not Cannon. The dude can be creative. To the point that I think Some of THORS production design came right out of MOTU. Now if you want to compare MOTU to other bigger budget or more successful films that's debatable. But I still think Goddard got a lot of of such limited resources. There's things I didn't like but.a lot of that was probably due to the small budget.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 7, 2015 20:58:25 GMT -5
Was MoTU really considered prestigious though? I have only seen it once - and that was decades ago - but I remember having the impression it was a typical Cannon film. It was a huge budget ($20 mil I believe) for its time- but, like many other Canon films- a big bomb. Canon was almost like the Salkinds x100 at the time. At least they got things done and made a loud noise, getting big stars. I forget what their big hits were, but they lined up huge talent, gave them big paychecks- then came out with movies that had schlocky production values, questionable editing, but sometimes still worked enough. Cannon made some good films. Some people forget that. It's just that Golan and Globus were the cheapest and most uncreative of an era of independent producer teams. The Salkings, Davis/Panzer, Kennedy/Miller, etc. all these guys made some missteps at times but Golan and Globus made them look like absolute visionaries. Cannon was better at certain kinds of movies. Budget movies. and most of the time I think their truly good movies were good in spite on them not because of them. They got lucky on hiring some good people.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 7, 2015 21:08:41 GMT -5
I thought The Delta Force was probably Cannon's best film. The first half still stands up very well, although it degenerates into silliness later on. I'd have to think about that. For action films yeah maybe. Delta Force is a good movie with a very respectable cast of actors. They didn't totally cheap out there. They had some other good low budget action movies but I think Delta Force is probably one of the better looking ones. I really like Missing in Action 2. American Ninja is fun even thought it's cheaper looking than some other movies. Can't forget Kickboxer and Bloodsoort. Their Death Wish films were entertaining but again made on a clear budget. I love Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Very underrated. A shame Cannon didn't venture into the horror genre more.
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