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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 12, 2017 22:44:36 GMT -5
... he's already turned John Stewart from an architect to an ex-Marine sniper. UGH! Even though I have to give credit to Goyer for the two best Batman films ever.... He really has a thing for trying to 'over-macho-ize' everything in his scripts. Not happy about this (unnecessary) change. Could still be a good movie, but..... 'if it isn't broken, don't fix it'! www.aintitcool.com/node/77042
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Post by Metallo on Jan 16, 2017 14:21:03 GMT -5
Man...there are no words. I was going to post this but you beat me to it. It's too absurd to be believed. Thankfully he's not in charge of the entire DCEU like he was after MOS but WB tossing this hack an already damaged superhero franchise while the DCEU is still on the ropes proves they've learned absolutely nothing. Green Lantern needs someone who inspires confidence after the failure of the 2011 film.
I can remember how this overconfident douche talked a big game about how he'd fix GL afrer the 2011 film tanked and I just rolled my eyes. MOS and BVS misfired and he was exposed as a con man whose scripts don't not even make for good toilet paper.
I can see why Goyer was brought in: his comic book knowledge. But that doesn't excuse a loser who has damaged DC twice. If anything Johns has more than enough knowledge of gl to not need Goyer. This jerkoff has been living off of his involvment with the dark knight trilogy for years despite the long list of superhero movie and tv trash/failures he's been attatched to in the last 20 years. If there's one talent he does have its to show the idiot execs at Warner Bros enough to sell himself.
Any hope I had for a GLC movie just circled the toilet bowl. Best case scenario is someone comes in and keeps the comic book accurateness of his script but does a top to bottom re write. He'd never do it but considering their history part of me wonders if Goyer and WB would even consider bringing Reynolds back especially since Deadpool earned Reynolds some superhero cred .
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 18, 2017 6:03:21 GMT -5
Man...there are no words. I was going to post this but you beat me to it. It's too absurd to be believed. Thankfully he's not in charge of the entire DCEU like he was after MOS but WB tossing this hack an already damaged superhero franchise while the DCEU is still on the ropes proves they've learned absolutely nothing. Green Lantern needs someone who inspires confidence after the failure of the 2011 film. I can remember how this overconfident douche talked a big game about how he'd fix GL afrer the 2011 film tanked and I just rolled my eyes. MOS and BVS misfired and he was exposed as a con man whose scripts don't not even make for good toilet paper. I can see why Goyer was brought in: his comic book knowledge. But that doesn't excuse a loser who has damaged DC twice. If anything Johns has more than enough knowledge of gl to not need Goyer. This jerkoff has been living off of his involvment with the dark knight trilogy for years despite the long list of superhero movie and tv trash/failures he's been attatched to in the last 20 years. If there's one talent he does have its to show the idiot execs at Warner Bros enough to sell himself. Any hope I had for a GLC movie just circled the toilet bowl. Best case scenario is someone comes in and keeps the comic book accurateness of his script but does a top to bottom re write. He'd never do it but considering their history part of me wonders if Goyer and WB would even consider bringing Reynolds back especially since Deadpool earned Reynolds some superhero cred . To add even more possible bad news- rumormill is that Wonder Woman is a big disappointment already. Hopefully, it's just a rumor, but.... man, that would be terrible.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 19, 2017 13:25:16 GMT -5
Looks like the rumor is gaining steam. If WW and JL fail they may has well stick a fork in it all. Flash is having all kinds of problems too. All that talk from WB about their DC films being director driven was a lie.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 19, 2017 23:33:05 GMT -5
Looks like the rumor is gaining steam. If WW and JL fail they may has well stick a fork in it all. Flash is having all kinds of problems too. All that talk from WB about their DC films being director driven was a lie. Apparently there's NOBODY driving the bus on this whole DCU.... ;p
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Post by Metallo on Jan 20, 2017 17:45:29 GMT -5
Apparently...you're right! I guess I called this sh!t and jinxed it. Then again it's not hard to figure out studio executive thinking that is totally driven by money. From a business persopective it's easy to see whey they'd think about bringing Reynolds back. They've always had been eyes on him as their next big star. They can rationalize any mistake by saying it was something else that was the problem. Deadpool also made a ton of money so they think he could bring them that box office too.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 20, 2017 23:17:11 GMT -5
Apparently...you're right! I guess I called this sh!t and jinxed it. Then again it's not hard to figure out studio executive thinking that is totally driven by money. From a business persopective it's easy to see whey they'd think about bringing Reynolds back. They've always had been eyes on him as their next big star. They can rationalize any mistake by saying it was something else that was the problem. Deadpool also made a ton of money so they think he could bring them that box office too. Strangely... I have a feeling that Geoff Johns genuinely feels that Ryan Reynolds is/was right for the role- but I digress. That Deadpool brought a bucket of money I agree is probably the reason that the beancounters at WB are even considering it.... but I highly doubt Ryans would be interested, based on how universally loathed the movie was and noone singling Reynolds out for any praise whatsoever in it, either. You're 1000 percent right in your prediction that DC has gone from taking forever to put out a single greenlight for a superhero film, to now churning them out without enough thorough thought. While it's true that Marvel Studios at times seems guilty of the same (the infamous Iron Man 2 comes to mind as well as Thor 1)- Marvel's hit record is so tremendous that it speaks for itself. WB on the other hand.... who knows? At least with the tv shows and the movies, just by numbers alone, we're getting SOME good material along with the big budget clunkers....
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Post by Metallo on Jan 23, 2017 18:28:10 GMT -5
My thing is just because Johns is a good comic book writer (and even then I think he's slightly overrated) it doesn't mean he's a good film executive. Singer and Kinberg had a lot of experience good and bad but in the end that didn't help them end the first class trilogy on a high note.
The "fun" excuse is just a smokescreen and a solve all scapegoat and solution to give the public. . The only way these movies end up good isn't if the suits at WB are honest and admit to themselves that it wasn't an issue of fun.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 24, 2017 16:11:33 GMT -5
My thing is just because Johns is a good comic book writer (and even then I think he's slightly overrated) it doesn't mean he's a good film executive. Singer and Kinberg had a lot of experience good and bad but in the end that didn't help them end the first class trilogy on a high note. The "fun" excuse is just a smokescreen and a solve all scapegoat and solution to give the public. . The only way these movies end up good isn't if the suits at WB are honest and admit to themselves that it wasn't an issue of fun. Since X:Apocalypse still nags at me, I'd still have to say that making Mystique Lawrence and Magneto 'heroes' at the end is what made it end on a false note- and the lack of meaningful screentime for the new characters ruined that film. Singer is great at many things, but his final cut edit decisions kill me. I agree.... maybe a Kevin Feige is needed at 20th century, too....
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Post by Metallo on Jan 24, 2017 18:12:58 GMT -5
Right. Charles letting Magneto go without even a slap on the wrist after all he did. Mystique as the weakest most unconvincing drill sergeant EVER.
Fox needs a behind the scenes shakeup and the x-men films need new people in charge across the board. Kinburg is overrated and Donner doesn't seem to know what really makes a good X-men movie. Creatively they are good in spite of her not because of her.
Tom Rothman leaving Fox was a fantastic first start but there's still a lot that needs to be fixed with the top brass.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 25, 2017 0:58:33 GMT -5
Right. Charles letting Magneto go without even a slap on the wrist after all he did. Mystique as the weakest most unconvincing drill sergeant EVER. Fox needs a behind the scenes shakeup and the x-men films need new people in charge across the board. Kinburg is overrated and Donner doesn't seem to know what really makes a good X-men movie. Creatively they are good in spite of her not because of her. Tom Rothman leaving Fox was a fantastic first start but there's still a lot that needs to be fixed with the top brass. Kinsberg said that there was a draft where Wolverine was supposed to take Mystique's place as drill sergeant instead... but, again, since Lawrence said that she wanted the door open to her coming back... UGH!!! I imagine that if there was a draft with Wolverine having the spot where Mystique ended up at the end- that there was a draft 'just in case' that killed off Mystique if Lawrence DIDN"T want to return- and maybe had a darker version of the 'goodbye' that Xavier and Magneto give to each other. It still doesn't quite make the X-men films line up in continuity- but it would have been more satisfying storywise.
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