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Post by Metallo on Jan 31, 2017 15:05:31 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/teri-hatcher-to-play-a-supergirl-villain/Hmm...let the speculation begin. Will she be a character from the comics or a new creation for the show? She and Cain have to have some screen time together. I still want to know what's up with Lynda Carter's POTUS character. Hopefully she'll be back too.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 1, 2017 0:47:29 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/teri-hatcher-to-play-a-supergirl-villain/Hmm...let the speculation begin. Will she be a character from the comics or a new creation for the show? She and Cain have to have some screen time together. I still want to know what's up with Lynda Carter's POTUS character. Hopefully she'll be back too. Funny timing. I just caught a glimpse of Hatcher recently on an old "Desperate Housewives"--- which was years ago & wondered what happened to her. Good for her if she's still working...
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 4, 2017 23:33:02 GMT -5
hi guys. So I'm like addicted to Supergirl right now, lol.
Wasn't a big fan of season 1 but some episodes near the end were pretty good. I really like the cast, except James Olsen.
Season 2 is very entertaining and charming. I really like the stories and new characters. The acting is also much better all around. I hope the show last a few more years.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 5, 2017 10:23:04 GMT -5
Season 2 has been much more consistent. Getting away from the Astra/Non/Fort Rozz arc was a big plus. The show is doing more with the source material and ramping up the action. CW was just a better fit that CBS because the network has more recent experience with superhero shows so they understand their formula.
In other news: the man who was almost Superman, Kevin "Hercules" Sorbo, will be playing the husband of Hatchers character and said he had a good time working with her. So marvel got Xena and DC got Herc. Pretty funny. Hopefully he and Cain have some scenes together. From what I understand they are friends. They didn't pass up the obvious jokes with Lynda Carter or Shipp or Routh so hopefully they'll acknowledge it.
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 5, 2017 12:27:40 GMT -5
Metallo, I agree completely. The action is so good, IMO. I also find caring about the characters so much. I feel bad for the guy who plays James Olsen, though. I really think he was miscast. Show doesn't use him well, and he wasn't in the last 2 eps. Speaking of, Dean Cain was very good last week as Jeremiah Danvers. That episode hurt so much. The episode with Mr Mxy was so much fun! I loved the Fortress scenes with Jor-El's statue and how Kara tricked Mxy. That was awesome. And I love Kara with Mon-El... <3 I really want to see a scene/s with Dean and Teri sometimes, though! It needs to happen. Also very excited for the musical epi. I saw a vid of Melissa singing and she's great.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 5, 2017 13:13:45 GMT -5
Jimmy really has become the shows fifth wheel. He sort of always was but it became worse with this season when they got rid Lucy and broke off the romantic relashionship with Kara in favor of Mon-El. They made him Guardian to try to give him something AND the head of CatCo media and it still doesn't work.
They've done nothing interesting with him as the boss and their Guardian character is a misfire. They used the real Jim Harper in season one so it's a shame they didn't bring him back as Guardian for the Cadmus story. They still could as a solider for them.
I also liked what they did with Mxy. More inspired by the Lois & Clark version than the comics but it pretty much had to be to fit on this show. I think it's the best live action version of the character. It reminded me a lot of Q falling in love with Captain Janway on Star Trek Voyager and wanting to marry her.
What they did with Jeremiah was a great fake out. Had me guessing this whole season. It was obvious in the episode he was up to no good but I think in the end he's doing it for a good reason. Everyone thought he'd be the Cyborg Superman from the start but when they revealed that Henshaw was still alive and calling himself that I think the speculation cooled.
It's similar to what they did with John Wesley Shipp as Jay Garrick. When Teddy Sears appeared as Jay on The Flash people figured that killed any chance of Shipp as the character but ignore turned out Shipp really would play Jay. Cain as a cyborg also seems inspired by the comics where Kara's biological father Zor-El is the Cyborg Superman. In the show it's her adopted father instead.
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 6, 2017 14:09:12 GMT -5
Metallo, yeah I immediately thought of Q from Star Trek with how they presented Mr Mxy. I loved it. It really worked. I liked it that he was sort of handsome so that Kara could realistically fall for him. Also liked that he was funny but also creepy and truly dangerous. I hope he comes back with a good story.
Agree completely on James Olsen. Show just never got it right with him; he had no romantic chemistry with Kara, and in S2 most about him feels forced. I did like his role in "Luthors" episode when he was just a good friend to Kara. I just really don't like his acting.
On Jeremiah, I'm very curious to know what his real plan and motivation is. It was a great nod to the comics to make him a cyborg Superman, and he nailed it. Excited for a new epi tonight!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 6, 2017 14:22:14 GMT -5
Hi Stargazer, Welcome back!
Also greatly enjoying the Supergirl series. Plays up the humor and the 'learning the ropes' which I didn't expect. I was groaning when I saw the trailer to the pilot, but in watching the actual pilot and series- I think they're overall doing a great job!
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Post by Metallo on Mar 6, 2017 17:09:13 GMT -5
Did the idea of Zor-El being evil begin on Smallville?
I think if it keeps it up Supergirl is well on its way to being the best Superman related live action series ever. It's doing Superboys job of comic book style stories and characters along with Lois & Clarks relashionship drama and Smallvilles heroes journey. Benoist has really made the role her own and I think they've taken some of the best elements of Supergirls entire history in all media and given us what could be the definitive version.
The idea of the Manhunter being her mentor and the head of the DEO seems perfect to me. Alex Danvers as a character seems to be a great idea too that's partly inspired by Peter Davids version of Linda Danvers.
The comics have taken some ideas from the show but I'd be happy if they took more. I certainly like the shows influence on the comics more than the Suicide squad movies influences on those comics. Tried reading one recently and just had to roll my eyes at how hard DC is pimping Harley Quinn as a lead character now. I love that character but never felt she worked that well in large doses. The shtick gets pretty annoying pretty fast.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 6, 2017 18:11:05 GMT -5
Did the idea of Zor-El being evil begin on Smallville? I think if it keeps it up Supergirl is well on its way to being the best Superman related live action series ever. It's doing Superboys job of comic book style stories and characters along with Lois & Clarks relashionship drama and Smallvilles heroes journey. Benoist has really made the role her own and I think they've taken some of the best elements of Supergirls entire history in all media and given us what could be the definitive version. The idea of the Manhunter being her mentor and the head of the DEO seems perfect to me. Alex Danvers as a character seems to be a great idea too that's partly inspired by Peter Davids version of Linda Danvers. The comics have taken some ideas from the show but I'd be happy if they took more. I certainly like the shows influence on the comics more than the Suicide squad movies influences on those comics. Tried reading one recently and just had to roll my eyes at how hard DC is pimping Harley Quinn as a lead character now. I love that character but never felt she worked that well in large doses. The shtick gets pretty annoying pretty fast. You'd be suprised how many Harley Quinns (suicide squad version) have been appearing at comic cons this last year. It strikes a chord to play the 'bad girl' with a sense of fun, I suppose. I'm not a fan of her being lead (what kind of role model is Harley Quinn??), but on the flip side, there were a ton of cosplay Supergirls popping up as well.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 6, 2017 19:44:35 GMT -5
I guess that's been happening for a while but I knew it would blow up with the movie. It's an easy cosplay for the wannabe fan girls that doesn't take much effort. Ugh. DC is so desperate for new popular characters that their making supporting characters leads because of the movies. It's the same thing with Black Adam. Harley's almost become a female Deadpool. I'm not sure Deadpool always works well as a lead either but at least he's stood as a solo character longer.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 6, 2017 21:13:09 GMT -5
Kevin Sorbo and Teri Hatcher just showed up at the end of Supergirl. Looks like they're some kind of Daxamite Royalty. That means they have most of the powers of Superman and Supergirl
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 7, 2017 13:16:13 GMT -5
Hi Stargazer, Welcome back! Also greatly enjoying the Supergirl series. Plays up the humor and the 'learning the ropes' which I didn't expect. I was groaning when I saw the trailer to the pilot, but in watching the actual pilot and series- I think they're overall doing a great job! Hi, thank you. I wasn't expecting to love this show this much. It's very entertaining and the characters relatable. It's a lot of fun to watch. Ok it's also very emotional sometimes that it hurts. But that's a good thing because it means you care.
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 7, 2017 13:21:11 GMT -5
Kevin Sorbo and Teri Hatcher just showed up at the end of Supergirl. Looks like they're some kind of Daxamite Royalty. That means they have most of the powers of Superman and Supergirl Nice reveal of both Teri and Sorbo. It was another intense episode. Felt a bit rushed, like they have a lot of story to cover. Dean Cain was great. I'm glad he's not really evil, for the sake of his daughters emotional being. I guess he's prisoner again. I just love the Kara/Mon-El scenes. Their chemistry is amazing. I hope Mon-El continues to be part of this show, I love him.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 7, 2017 16:22:23 GMT -5
Hi Stargazer, Welcome back! Also greatly enjoying the Supergirl series. Plays up the humor and the 'learning the ropes' which I didn't expect. I was groaning when I saw the trailer to the pilot, but in watching the actual pilot and series- I think they're overall doing a great job! Hi, thank you. I wasn't expecting to love this show this much. It's very entertaining and the characters relatable. It's a lot of fun to watch. Ok it's also very emotional sometimes that it hurts. But that's a good thing because it means you care. The same production company's 'Arrow' (which is extremely watchable despite my not crazy about half of the cast) and 'Flash' (which I enjoy even more) are quality.... but I'm hoping that they push themselves to 'Star trek: deep space nine' levels in terms of writing. Very very enjoyable, but I think the bar can go even higher...
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Post by Metallo on Mar 7, 2017 19:31:47 GMT -5
Arrows rebounded this season. I'd argue it's become better than Flash because it's not as mired in the usual formula and romance stuff like it was in season 4. Savitar is a crap villain imo. Just a plot device. Not nearly as interesting as Zoom or Thawne. The mystery of who is Prometheus has been more interesting.
Sadly I don't think we will see the DCW shows reaching that DS9 level tonally or quality wise. Different kinds of writers plus different demands from the network. They feel more like Voyager and Enterprise to me which isn't so shocking when you remember The CW was partly formed from UPN and still carries some of that networks style even today.
Legends of Tomorrow is the show that could be and in some ways is the most Star Trek like not only in set up but in the types of stories they're trying to tell. Sadly I think it's being held back by the creative and tonal restrictions of its network.
I just wish we had a real Star Trek show. Discovery is shaping up to be a collosal piece of sh!t that just happens to have one of the more interesting Trek casts I've seen in a while.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 7, 2017 23:52:24 GMT -5
Arrows rebounded this season. I'd argue it's become better than Flash because it's not as mired in the usual formula and romance stuff like it was in season 4. Savitar is a crap villain imo. Just a plot device. Not nearly as interesting as Zoom or Thawne. The mystery of who is Prometheus has been more interesting. Sadly I don't think we will see the DCW shows reaching that DS9 level tonally or quality wise. Different kinds of writers plus different demands from the network. They feel more like Voyager and Enterprise to me which isn't so shocking when you remember The CW was partly formed from UPN and still carries some of that networks style even today. Legends of Tomorrow is the show that could be and in some ways is the most Star Trek like not only in set up but in the types of stories they're trying to tell. Sadly I think it's being held back by the creative and tonal restrictions of its network. I just wish we had a real Star Trek show. Discovery is shaping up to be a collosal piece of sh!t that just happens to have one of the more interesting Trek casts I've seen in a while. It's hard to know for sure how much is from the network, DC, or is/are limitations of the creative folks. With Smallville, much drove me crazy and had me irritated at the writers- until here and there, some of the writers would mention how this or that neat thing would be nixed by DC or the network. On the flip side- you have stuff like "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and some amazing stuff in "Enterprise" that were both under network restrictions (CW and UPN)--- so, it's really hard to say who is to blame for some of the stuff at times. I generally give tv writers/showrunners the benefit of the doubt if they've done amazing work in the past. If a show is mediocre and I've not seen great work from them--- then I'll usually lay it on the creatives (whether that's fair or not) unless I read more about it...
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Post by Metallo on Mar 8, 2017 8:57:36 GMT -5
It's a combination of things but Enterprise didn't get good until the network and producers wanted a shakeup. The showrunner made a huge difference but the higher ups had to let that happen. Remember when Enterprise started in didn't even have the Star Trek name on it because they were trying some different branding. The reason I also blame the DCW writers is that when they do go for those Star Trek level and quality of stories they don't always do a very good job. It's partly the writers partly the producers partly the network. DS9 and TNG most certainly had an advantage over the shows that followed it because they were syndicated in the US. No network TO interfere and pass notes. Any restrictions on them came from other sources. UPN wanted Voyager to be less serialized and more episodic. The opposite of DS9.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 8, 2017 12:07:37 GMT -5
It's a combination of things but Enterprise didn't get good until the network and producers wanted a shakeup. The showrunner made a huge difference but the higher ups had to let that happen. Remember when Enterprise started in didn't even have the Star Trek name on it because they were trying some different branding. The reason I also blame the DCW writers is that when they do go for those Star Trek level and quality of stories they don't always do a very good job. It's partly the writers partly the producers partly the network. DS9 and TNG most certainly had an advantage over the shows that followed it because they were syndicated in the US. No network TO interfere and pass notes. Any restrictions on them came from other sources. UPN wanted Voyager to be less serialized and more episodic. The opposite of DS9. I did notice the qualtiy of Enterprise shooting to the top once Manny Coto became showrunner. He's like another Ron Boore imo.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 8, 2017 12:22:58 GMT -5
Season 4 went a little too far with fan service at times but otherwise it was everything the show should have been from the beginning. First three seasons just mostly did typical stand alone Star Trek ship stories instead of specifically dealing with the building of the federation and starfleet to what we saw in TOS. There were a few exceptions but they usually wasted the opportunity the shows premise gave them. Then Bragga had to come back at the end and f*ck it all up!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 8, 2017 14:44:47 GMT -5
Season 4 went a little too far with fan service at times but otherwise it was everything the show should have been from the beginning. First three seasons just mostly did typical stand alone Star Trek ship stories instead of specifically dealing with the building of the federation and starfleet to what we saw in TOS. There were a few exceptions but they usually wasted the opportunity the shows premise gave them. Then Bragga had to come back at the end and f*ck it all up! It's such a pity that Coto and company didn't get that fifth season.... on the flip side, if we were shorted a great season, it's awesome that DS9 got an extra one at the end.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 8, 2017 22:37:04 GMT -5
Yeah it's one of those real losses for fans. So much more they could have done. Wish they could revisit Enterprise somehow.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 9, 2017 12:23:58 GMT -5
Yeah it's one of those real losses for fans. So much more they could have done. Wish they could revisit Enterprise somehow. Coto (like Ron Moore) is a total fanboy. Not getting a fifth season is even more painful because Coto on an audio commentary had specific stories he really wanted to tell. It's a pity that when these things happen, that they're not obligated to release it in comic book form/whatnot so that it's not left to the imagination.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 9, 2017 13:06:49 GMT -5
I'd gladly take an animated film. It's strange that more studios arent jumping on that as a way to tie up or revisit certain franchises. I thought Return of The Caped Crusaders did a solid job. I'd love to see certain things like Trek, Highlander, Robocop revisited that way. Age wouldn't be a factor for one thing. I guess they don't see the audience for it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 9, 2017 15:17:11 GMT -5
I'd gladly take an animated film. It's strange that more studios arent jumping on that as a way to tie up or revisit certain franchises. I thought Return of The Caped Crusaders did a solid job. I'd love to see certain things like Trek, Highlander, Robocop revisited that way. Age wouldn't be a factor for one thing. I guess they don't see the audience for it. Great point on Robocop! I thought if anything, Robo could be CGI and Weller could either motion cap or just use his voice. The comics generally have been underwhelming sadly. (though the robo vs. Terminator was pretty clear I have to admit)
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