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Post by Metallo on Mar 9, 2017 17:20:30 GMT -5
I've been wanting an animated Robocop vs The Terminator film with Weller and Schwarzenegger doing the voices for a while. It could be it's own continuity. Sort of like how the HeIIboy movie cast did voice work for the animated films.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 10, 2017 14:22:24 GMT -5
I've been wanting an animated Robocop vs The Terminator film with Weller and Schwarzenegger doing the voices for a while. It could be it's own continuity. Sort of like how the HeIIboy movie cast did voice work for the animated films. They still could- actually, they still could with live action even with current sfx technology.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 10, 2017 14:48:58 GMT -5
I guess it's possible if done the right way with the right people but I'd want them in their prime playing those characters going at it and I think we're past that.
I have wondered if Weller could do a sequel using a mix of a Motion capture/part cgi suit and stand ins/body doubles. It would make it easier on him. It'll never happen for obvious reasons but this is just me thinking out loud on what's possible. If it were to happen they should use the Robocop: Corporate Wars script as the basis.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 12, 2017 16:31:22 GMT -5
I guess it's possible if done the right way with the right people but I'd want them in their prime playing those characters going at it and I think we're past that. I have wondered if Weller could do a sequel using a mix of a Motion capture/part cgi suit and stand ins/body doubles. It would make it easier on him. It'll never happen for obvious reasons but this is just me thinking out loud on what's possible. If it were to happen they should use the Robocop: Corporate Wars script as the basis. I could see it done as a Netflix miniseries, perhaps.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 13, 2017 10:55:37 GMT -5
I could see them maybe trying that. After the last Jack Ryan movie flopped paramount went for an online/streaming show. With the Robo reboot not doing so well I could see the studio that made it trying that. The positive of this stuff being done today is big corporations and studios aren't going to leave any once successful ip with name recognition on the shelf for long. They are scouwering their catalogues for franchises and content. Something the would have collected dust after a failure 30 years ago would get rebooted today. I just read there is a new Tick series on the way.
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 15, 2017 18:41:33 GMT -5
Hi, thank you. I wasn't expecting to love this show this much. It's very entertaining and the characters relatable. It's a lot of fun to watch. Ok it's also very emotional sometimes that it hurts. But that's a good thing because it means you care. The same production company's 'Arrow' (which is extremely watchable despite my not crazy about half of the cast) and 'Flash' (which I enjoy even more) are quality.... but I'm hoping that they push themselves to 'Star trek: deep space nine' levels in terms of writing. Very very enjoyable, but I think the bar can go even higher... Well yeah there is room for improvement. It's not a perfect show. I'm just happy I like a lot of what they are doing. I also enjoy The Flash and its cast. I still can't get into Legends of Tomorrow, tho. I don't get it. Seems more style than substance to me. It's feel too convoluted and I don't feel like the characters have a real arc except 1 or 2. I really like Brandon, and he tries but the writing doesn't give him much to work with. I liked him in CHUCK a lot more. Arrow, eh, it doesn't excite me enough. Never really did much. Supergirl and Flash are more enjoyable. way more for me.
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 15, 2017 18:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 15, 2017 23:54:41 GMT -5
The same production company's 'Arrow' (which is extremely watchable despite my not crazy about half of the cast) and 'Flash' (which I enjoy even more) are quality.... but I'm hoping that they push themselves to 'Star trek: deep space nine' levels in terms of writing. Very very enjoyable, but I think the bar can go even higher... Well yeah there is room for improvement. It's not a perfect show. I'm just happy I like a lot of what they are doing. I also enjoy The Flash and its cast. I still can't get into Legends of Tomorrow, tho. I don't get it. Seems more style than substance to me. It's feel too convoluted and I don't feel like the characters have a real arc except 1 or 2. I really like Brandon, and he tries but the writing doesn't give him much to work with. I liked him in CHUCK a lot more. Arrow, eh, it doesn't excite me enough. Never really did much. Supergirl and Flash are more enjoyable. way more for me. Legends - to me, just feels TOO lightweight. Of the cast, only Routh and the professor character interest me.... and even then- the stories have felt too thin to keep my interest all that long so far. Supergirl and Flash definitely feel more solid to me, I agree.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 16, 2017 15:29:37 GMT -5
All the shows should offer something different though. I feel they all do.
Flash has become a bit too bogged down in soap opera tween romance nonsense at times Imo. It's also falling into the same formulaic routines over and over repeating what we've already seen with the first two seasons. How many times do we have to hear "I changed things with Flashpoint" or "I don't want to lose you Iris?" She and Gustin really don't had much chemistry. How many times will Wally or Jesse do something stupid even though it always leads to a disaster? It's just not believable. It's poorly thought out plot driven stuff just to get from a to b without the character stuff making any sense.
Savitar just isn't as good as Eobard Thawne or Hunter Solomon. I thought this weeks episode was fantastic outside of Jesse doing stupid stuff. I also popped big for the big reveal of Shipp back as Jay Garrick. I thought the way they wrote him out was pretty lazy though. Great moment but they clearly did it because the writers didn't know how to deal with Savitar with Jay in the mix or Shipp wouldn't be available. With four Flashes it would have been that much easier to beat him at the end of the season so they constructed this scenario to fix that. With Jay and Jesse conveniently written out they don't have to try as hard to make it all work.
Team Flash still needs to be cut back though. The core group has got too many characters to give them all enough attention. It's the same problem Legends of Tomorrow had in season one. There's a reason the dynamic between Barry, Wells, Cisco, and Caitlyn in season one worked so well.
Legends is the show that's taking the concept to his fullest comic book potential out of the four Berlanti shows. The different settings and time periods are always fun because you get something different. It does fall into Sliders/movie of the week to rip off trap sometimes but when it works it works as well as Quantum Leap did with the historical backdrops. They also offered a decent explanation of why The Reverse Flash is still around while the Flash tv show offered nothing which was just poor writing on their parts. The second season has been a big improvement on the first. Vandal Savage was executed terribly and the Hawks were dull and that dragged the show down.
I'm afraid of how it'll hurt the show now with Rip Hunter being back though. All the other characters got to grow in his absence to step up to the plate. That shows biggest ongoing problems are the new Vixen isn't much of a character and just seems to be there to be a romantic interest. Berlantis JSA MOSTLY underwhelmed with the exception of Commander Steele.
Supergirls been the most consistent of the four this year. But Jimmy Is dead weight though. Snapper is a blatant ripoff of Lou Grant. If they wanted that type of character to challenge Supergirls plucky attitude there's a million ways they could have gone to give her a more serious hard newsman foil instead of the cliched curmudgeon. Why not use Steve Lombard as a quasi sexist superior or repurpose Collin Thornton as a serious hard news journalist? Snapper was never what he is on the show. Just one of those in name only kind of things that seemed pointless.
Supergirl also comes off as a little too preachy at times. All Berlantis shows do but Supergirl dwells on in the most. I think that's one of the things that nosedived the first seasons ratings on CBS. I love Alex Danvers though. She's become a real standout character. I could watch whole episodes of just her doing her thing.
Arrow has had the best rebound this season. Season 4 was garbage but season 5 has been a big improvement. They blindsided everyone with the big Prometheus reveal by using another comic book based mystery every was waiting to be resolved.
The big revelation of the new black canary and that her real name is Dinah Drake is the most eye rolling moment since Smallville let us know that the first Jimmy Olsen wasn't the real Jimmy but his older brother. In both cases they screwed up from the beginning and they knew it but this was their quick fix patch job solution.
Any time things get Felicity-centric it stinks. It's like the writers are Mary Sueing her to live vicariously through her and don't realize it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 16, 2017 18:59:39 GMT -5
All the shows should offer something different though. I feel they all do. Flash has become a bit too bogged down in soap opera tween romance nonsense at times Imo. It's also falling into the same formulaic routines over and over repeating what we've already seen with the first two seasons. How many times do we have to hear "I changed things with Flashpoint" or "I don't want to lose you Iris?" She and Gustin really don't had much chemistry. How many times will Wally or Jesse do something stupid even though it always leads to a disaster? It's just not believable. It's poorly thought out plot driven stuff just to get from a to b without the character stuff making any sense. Savitar just isn't as good as Eobard Thawne or Hunter Solomon. I thought this weeks episode was fantastic outside of Jesse doing stupid stuff. I also popped big for the big reveal of Shipp back as Jay Garrick. I thought the way they wrote him out was pretty lazy though. Great moment but they clearly did it because the writers didn't know how to deal with Savitar with Jay in the mix or Shipp wouldn't be available. With four Flashes it would have been that much easier to beat him at the end of the season so they constructed this scenario to fix that. With Jay and Jesse conveniently written out they don't have to try as hard to make it all work. Team Flash still needs to be cut back though. The core group has got too many characters to give them all enough attention. It's the same problem Legends of Tomorrow had in season one. There's a reason the dynamic between Barry, Wells, Cisco, and Caitlyn in season one worked so well. Legends is the show that's taking the concept to his fullest comic book potential out of the four Berlanti shows. The different settings and time periods are always fun because you get something different. It does fall into Sliders/movie of the week to rip off trap sometimes but when it works it works as well as Quantum Leap did with the historical backdrops. They also offered a decent explanation of why The Reverse Flash is still around while the Flash tv show offered nothing which was just poor writing on their parts. The second season has been a big improvement on the first. Vandal Savage was executed terribly and the Hawks were dull and that dragged the show down. I'm afraid of how it'll hurt the show now with Rip Hunter being back though. All the other characters got to grow in his absence to step up to the plate. That shows biggest ongoing problems are the new Vixen isn't much of a character and just seems to be there to be a romantic interest. Berlantis JSA MOSTLY underwhelmed with the exception of Commander Steele. Supergirls been the most consistent of the four this year. But Jimmy Is dead weight though. Snapper is a blatant ripoff of Lou Grant. If they wanted that type of character to challenge Supergirls plucky attitude there's a million ways they could have gone to give her a more serious hard newsman foil instead of the cliched curmudgeon. Why not use Steve Lombard as a quasi sexist superior or repurpose Collin Thornton as a serious hard news journalist? Snapper was never what he is on the show. Just one of those in name only kind of things that seemed pointless. Supergirl also comes off as a little too preachy at times. All Berlantis shows do but Supergirl dwells on in the most. I think that's one of the things that nosedived the first seasons ratings on CBS. I love Alex Danvers though. She's become a real standout character. I could watch whole episodes of just her doing her thing. Arrow has had the best rebound this season. Season 4 was garbage but season 5 has been a big improvement. They blindsided everyone with the big Prometheus reveal by using another comic book based mystery every was waiting to be resolved. The big revelation of the new black canary and that her real name is Dinah Drake is the most eye rolling moment since Smallville let us know that the first Jimmy Olsen wasn't the real Jimmy but his older brother. In both cases they screwed up from the beginning and they knew it but this was their quick fix patch job solution. Any time things get Felicity-centric it stinks. It's like the writers are Mary Sueing her to live vicariously through her and don't realize it. That's too bad....I haven't kept up (I wait for the blurays to go on sale)- But the 'good' in the Berliantiverse I always hoped would grow to a Trek:DS9 level, rather than repeat and give into the two generally bad things I dislike in the Berliantiverse: #1: Redundant storylines #2: Soap opera with characters I'm really not that crazy about Except for most of the casting in Supergirl, I've really disliked Berlianti's choices in actresses on his other shows. Black Canary (one and two) and Hawkgirl. These are great parts, I was very underwhelmed by his choices.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 17, 2017 8:51:55 GMT -5
I agree on Hawkgirl but you gotta remember Sara is a whole different character from Dinah/Laurel which was clusterf*cked from the start. I think Sara really grew into her own after she came back from the dead and became white canary. Unlike most of the other women Caity Lotz is a legit badass to boot. I loved the episode set in fuedal Japan where she does the whole "I have no master" Samurai showdown. Routh was great in that episode too.
The whole problem with the CW is they're casting pretty model people first and actors second. Especially with the women. There's a reason all the people on their shows were in that string of Horror remakes from the 2000s. On a good day you get some that act but usually they just look blank. I like Danielle Panabaker a lot as Caitlyn Snow but not as Killer Frost. Complete opposite with Katie Cassidy. She sucked as Laurel/Black Canary but I thought she was far better as Black Siren.
Curious to know what you'd think of Lexa Doig as Talia Al Ghul. I'm on the fence. I've always been a fan of her but I think she might be miscast.
I love Kelly Hu as China White. I'm not sure they could have gotten someone better for that.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2017 23:08:19 GMT -5
I agree on Hawkgirl but you gotta remember Sara is a whole different character from Dinah/Laurel which was clusterf*cked from the start. I think Sara really grew into her own after she came back from the dead and became white canary. Unlike most of the other women Caity Lotz is a legit badass to boot. I loved the episode set in fuedal Japan where she does the whole "I have no master" Samurai showdown. Routh was great in that episode too. The whole problem with the CW is they're casting pretty model people first and actors second. Especially with the women. There's a reason all the people on their shows were in that string of Horror remakes from the 2000s. On a good day you get some that act but usually they just look blank. I like Danielle Panabaker a lot as Caitlyn Snow but not as Killer Frost. Complete opposite with Katie Cassidy. She sucked as Laurel/Black Canary but I thought she was far better as Black Siren. Curious to know what you'd think of Lexa Doig as Talia Al Ghul. I'm on the fence. I've always been a fan of her but I think she might be miscast. I love Kelly Hu as China White. I'm not sure they could have gotten someone better for that. It's funny, but I actually think that Hawkgirl and the two Canaries are terrible actresses AND don't have superhero/supermodel looks (I know that sounds mean, but we're talking superhero casting. To be fair, Superman can't be an ugly guy either). Danielle Panabaker I think is a cute presence, but she's not quite Cate Blanchett (who is beautiful and is an amazing actress) in pulling off a villain. Lexa Doig I loved in the first two seasons of Andromeda (before it turned to crap when the showrunner/creator got fired), nice to hear that she's still working. On a more superficial level.... isn't Talia supposed to be super-young?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 20, 2017 19:16:10 GMT -5
Saw the promo.... looks like Hatcher plays Mon-el's... MOM?
In any case- feels like she's comedy relief. If so, I actually thought of a better part that she SHOULD have played- Cat Grant! Anyhow, curious once this comes to blu ray....
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 22, 2017 22:32:26 GMT -5
Saw the promo.... looks like Hatcher plays Mon-el's... MOM? In any case- feels like she's comedy relief. If so, I actually thought of a better part that she SHOULD have played- Cat Grant! Anyhow, curious once this comes to blu ray.... Teri is not comic relief at all. She was very good in the episode. I loved her in the role. The episode was really good, IMO. Very dramatic. Mon-El got some great scenes and we learn more about Daxam and Krypton. The crossover musical was yesterday, and I enjoyed it too. It was lighter of course and a pretty cheesy, but it had a nice story for both Kara and Barry. Some great singing/songs.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 22, 2017 23:50:00 GMT -5
Saw the promo.... looks like Hatcher plays Mon-el's... MOM? In any case- feels like she's comedy relief. If so, I actually thought of a better part that she SHOULD have played- Cat Grant! Anyhow, curious once this comes to blu ray.... Teri is not comic relief at all. She was very good in the episode. I loved her in the role. The episode was really good, IMO. Very dramatic. Mon-El got some great scenes and we learn more about Daxam and Krypton. The crossover musical was yesterday, and I enjoyed it too. It was lighter of course and a pretty cheesy, but it had a nice story for both Kara and Barry. Some great singing/songs. I might have read too much into the trailer then, about the comedy relief. I think the idea of Mon-el being a 'prince' threw me because of the lack of him being royalty in the comics. Anyhow, I wait to view them until all episodes are available on blu ray, so it'll be awhile. On another note, knowing that the actors for both Flash and Supergirl both came from "Glee", I just wonder how funny both of them find it to be doing a musical episode.... though.... in the commercials, I take it that they're not singing while in superhero costumes? Bummer if that's the case...
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Post by Metallo on Mar 29, 2017 20:22:51 GMT -5
Saw the promo.... looks like Hatcher plays Mon-el's... MOM? In any case- feels like she's comedy relief. If so, I actually thought of a better part that she SHOULD have played- Cat Grant! Anyhow, curious once this comes to blu ray.... Needless to say you were pretty wrong on this one. Saw the ending coming a mile away but I think Hatcher makes for a great villain. Sorbo was great too. I've found Mon-El kinda lame bland and typical of CW actors but this arc with his parents has given the character a shot in the arm. The romance with Kara is so riddled with the network formula but that's to be expected. Loved then musical but they wrapped up the melodramatic break ups waaay too soon. It's obvious now they were done as quickly as they were just to set up music meisters plan. And they never did explain who he is or how he knows who all these characters are but they never heard of him. Typical of Flash's sometimes deus ex machina/timey wimey style of half a$$ explainations. I know the shows have a LOT of talented singers (shoulda got Lynda Carter in on it since she's a decent singer) herself but Jeremy Jordan can sing his @ss off. Good for him.
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Post by stargazer0118 on Mar 29, 2017 22:57:20 GMT -5
I always liked Mon El. He was funny and cynical, but he has grown and matured so much. Maybe it's the romantic in me but I really enjoy his relationship with Kara.
Teri is killing it in the role, wow. Kevin Sorbo was actually really good too. Now we have to wait 3 weeks for a new ep. The wait is going to be hard! I loved this episode. It was exciting, funny and inspirational. Kevin Smith did great, IMO.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 30, 2017 11:01:57 GMT -5
This whole thing with Daxam has been pretty interesting and fits with the theme of the season so I'm expecting a build up to a big finale. The CW shows have all been doing some great stuff lately.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 2, 2017 15:40:03 GMT -5
This whole thing with Daxam has been pretty interesting and fits with the theme of the season so I'm expecting a build up to a big finale. The CW shows have all been doing some great stuff lately. Glad to hear..... here's hoping for a great Legion of Superheroes episode that comes down the line for Supergirl! (With proper costumes)
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Post by Metallo on Apr 2, 2017 17:22:20 GMT -5
They focused heavy on the Legion flight ring in the fortress in the last episode. I've wondered if that was a nod to Mon-El/Lar Gand/Valors time with the LOS. Itd be cool if he ended up in the 31st century at some point and joined or they came back in time. The Black Lightning series got a pilot order so anything is possible.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 2, 2017 17:32:22 GMT -5
They focused heavy on the Legion flight ring in the fortress in the last episode. I've wondered if that was a nod to Mon-El/Lar Gand/Valors time with the LOS. Itd be cool if he ended up in the 31st century at some point and joined or they came back in time. The Black Lightning series got a pilot order so anything is possible. Here's hoping we get to see some faithful costumes in an episode. I was suprised to read that originally in Smallville, that there was a tag at the end of the Legion episode where you got to see all was restored right in the 30th century, but I can't imagine the network being willing to foot the bill for a number of costumes just for one episode. Still..... would be nice!
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Post by Metallo on Apr 7, 2017 16:00:36 GMT -5
I've been wondering if we will see a version of Mon-El's comic book costume? Seems like an easy do. Leave the cap off except for ceremonial reasons. His parents wore capes so they could work it in there. He doesn't have anything like red trunks to deal with so it should be an easier adaptation.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 9, 2017 14:53:00 GMT -5
I've been wondering if we will see a version of Mon-El's comic book costume? Seems like an easy do. Leave the cap off except for ceremonial reasons. His parents wore capes so they could work it in there. He doesn't have anything like red trunks to deal with so it should be an easier adaptation. I hear a lot of frustration from Legion fans on Mon-el's development on the show. Here's hoping maybe they're saving it perhaps for a giant two part Legion finale.....
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Post by Metallo on Apr 9, 2017 17:29:28 GMT -5
In the comic there was more to it and on a tv show you have the time to put that kind of development in. Even naming him Mon-El instead of Lar Gand made no sense to me. Why would a daxamite have a kryptonian name? In the comics there was a reason for that but the shown dropped the ball even though they could have used the same excuse or worked it into part of Mon-El's lie to Kara.
It's obvious the real life reason they only stuck with Mon-El because they felt it sounded better but they easily could have worked out a better reasoning for that name within the story. True they paid tribute to his real name through his fathers name on the show but the same problem remains.
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Post by stargazer0118 on May 13, 2017 1:20:25 GMT -5
Mon El's character development, story and chemistry with Kara and other characters has been very good. His relationship with Kara and their story has been my fave thing on the show this season. I love it.
He doesn't have a suit, but I've heard, and Chris Wood even said in some article, that there is a suit for Mon El. But it seems he's not wearing it yet. Probably next season. Mon El wants a supersuit with heavy cape (he said that in some episode).
On another subject, Supergirl has been good these last few eps. Last episode has a cliffhanger that was pretty exciting. I can't wait. Teri's character is just wow. So good. She's incredible as Rhea. Next episode looks huge and epic (for TV). Only 2 more episodes left. Hope it's a solid finale to close a very good second season, IMO.
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