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Post by Metallo on Feb 14, 2017 12:17:53 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/ben-affleck-wants-to-give-up-being-batman/I can't blame him if it's true. He's the one DCEU actor who doesn't need the DC gig. Would you want to embarrass yourself with these crappy movies after spending ten years digging your career out of a sh!thole? WB probably screwed up all his plans for The Batman film and I bet Justice League is garbage. It's a shame because he was easily the best thing in BVS. I guess now that he's lived his dream he's tired of dealing with the bs. Collider has been saying for a few weeks that WB might want Armie Hammer as the new Batman. George Miller cast him as Batman ten years ago for Justice League Mortal. He's got the looks and the height. He and Cavill even worked together in Man from Uncle.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 16, 2017 11:49:05 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/ben-affleck-wants-to-give-up-being-batman/I can't blame him if it's true. He's the one DCEU actor who doesn't need the DC gig. Would you want to embarrass yourself with these crappy movies after spending ten years digging your career out of a sh!thole? WB probably screwed up all his plans for The Batman film and I bet Justice League is garbage. It's a shame because he was easily the best thing in BVS. I guess now that he's lived his dream he's tired of dealing with the bs. Collider has been saying for a few weeks that WB might want Armie Hammer as the new Batman. George Miller cast him as Batman ten years ago for Justice League Mortal. He's got the looks and the height. He and Cavill even worked together in Man from Uncle. Batfleck worked suprisingly great in BvS.... but I don't have much hope for JLA being all that entertaining on many levels. Not only does it seem like too little too late (especially as we're looking forwards to Avengers 3 at this point)- I would have had far more excitement with George Miller directing. Still.... Batfleck is like Black ScarlettJoWidow.... I'm used to them now, even if they weren't my first choice. It just feels like after Singer's SR and Nolan's Batman, DCU keeps going in the wrong direction.... Still, hoping that the WW movie is 'good enough' at this point with the negative buzz swirling. I do admit- Gal Godot does look great in that outfit.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 16, 2017 15:13:39 GMT -5
They tried to copy Nolan's Batman without understanding why it worked AND mash it together with Watchmen. Big mistake. Marvels done it first so what WB is doing isn't novel or fresh anymore. That draw is gone. They need to understand that. They just look like they're following the leader. It's the same as the failure of all those YA movies trying to cash in on the trend after The Twilight and Hunger Games movies struck it big. Audiences didn't give a f*ck about Divergent and all that other crap.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 21, 2017 13:27:07 GMT -5
Looks like this story is still picking up steam. www.darkhorizons.com/ben-afflecks-future-as-batman-uncertain/The big deciders will be how well JL turns out and is received and how good Reeves Batman looks. If Justice League is a mess I can't see him wanting to deal with more of this as he loses other opportunities in his 40s. I said when he was cast that going with an older Batman and actor and more established star had its risks but got criticized for it. Affleck was great but it was common sense to question his long term commitment to the role. It's not like iron man where a cgi suit does all the heavy lifting. Even with stuntmen anyone playing Batman is expected to be in decent shape and do some stuff himself. he's not gonna be in a mo capped on cgi suit the whole time.
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Post by Kamdan on Jul 22, 2017 6:23:04 GMT -5
"By playing a superhero in Daredevil, I have inoculated myself from ever playing another superhero... Wearing a costume was a source of humiliation for me and something I wouldn't want to do again soon." ~ Ben Affleck, November 2006
Affleck thought he was gonna be able to keep being an Academy Award nominated filmmaker and make bank by playing Batman. Live By Night bombed and he was in a critically bombed Batman movie. Does he want to blame being in a costume embarrassing again like he did for Daredevil? What goes around, comes around.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 22, 2017 7:33:13 GMT -5
Ditto. He's scratched the itch of wanting to do it so there's no reason to stick around unless the films are amazing. I really feel like he had something to prove after Daredevil and even though he got praise the films he's appeared in so far were messes. He wants to be taken seriously as a filmmaker so one step forward one step back doesn't help. His personal life is a mess. WB isn't living up to their end of the original deal (on the other hand he's been in the business long enough to know that was a possibility so how surprised can he be). These are films by committee more than usual and he should have considered that. He's in his mid 40s and not getting any younger. I can see why he might want out.
On WB's end this shows incredibly poor long term planning and little consideration for the future. These days when you cast these films you have to think about five or ten years ahead. With Affleck they clearly didn't. I've always felt Snyder had that same problem. They killed off Jimmy Olsen because they had no plans for him. What about the next guy after you? Why tie their hands with a pointless nothing of a character death? There are ways out of it to use Jimmy later but if they didn't want to use him why not...just not use him?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 23, 2017 9:18:44 GMT -5
Ditto. He's scratched the itch of wanting to do it so there's no reason to stick around unless the films are amazing. I really feel like he had something to prove after Daredevil and even though he got praise the films he's appeared in so far were messes. He wants to be taken seriously as a filmmaker so one step forward one step back doesn't help. His personal life is a mess. WB isn't living up to their end of the original deal (on the other hand he's been in the business long enough to know that was a possibility so how surprised can he be). These are films by committee more than usual and he should have considered that. He's in his mid 40s and not getting any younger. I can see why he might want out. On WB's end this shows incredibly poor long term planning and little consideration for the future. These days when you cast these films you have to think about five or ten years ahead. With Affleck they clearly didn't. I've always felt Snyder had that same problem. They killed off Jimmy Olsen because they had no plans for him. What about the next guy after you? Why tie their hands with a pointless nothing of a character death? There are ways out of it to use Jimmy later but if they didn't want to use him why not...just not use him? Well.... even if his personal life is a mess, his filmmaking career is up in the air (though look at how many disasters Melvin Night Shamalan has made and he's still directing!), and he may have headaches from the squabbling over Batman- He's rich. That's definitely a superpower. (as in the trailer) While money isn't everything, I (and I think a lot of folks) would trade his problems for mine any day....
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Post by Metallo on Jul 23, 2017 10:57:35 GMT -5
To the average person like you and me that might make sense but like so many actors Affleck is wrapped up in the whole Hollywood lifestyle and his career. I can't blame him for wanting to protect his career but he's still got it good in a lot of ways. Affleck worked hard to turn his career around just like Night did so I doubt he wants to go backwards.
A lot of the die hard Snyderites are blaming Affleck (they never point the finger at the DCEU just the people they think are "hurting" it) but I don't. This is all on WB. if they'd done their jobs right none of this would even be an issue. Afflecks personal issues might be getting in the way I don't know but on the outside it seems like he's held up his end of the deal better than Snyder and WB did. He did his job well while they've made a lot of mistakes. He was game to do suicide squad (which I don't think was part of his contract) and that stunk too because of their poor decisions.
Afflecks plans for Batman are also an unfortunate victim of Johns plans to fix the DCEU.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 23, 2017 16:38:20 GMT -5
To the average person like you and me that might make sense but like so many actors Affleck is wrapped up in the whole Hollywood lifestyle and his career. I can't blame him for wanting to protect his career but he's still got it good in a lot of ways. Affleck worked hard to turn his career around just like Night did so I doubt he wants to go backwards. A lot of the die hard Snyderites are blaming Affleck (they never point the finger at the DCEU just the people they think are "hurting" it) but I don't. This is all on WB. if they'd done their jobs right none of this would even be an issue. Afflecks personal issues might be getting in the way I don't know but on the outside it seems like he's held up his end of the deal better than Snyder and WB did. He did his job well while they've made a lot of mistakes. He was game to do suicide squad (which I don't think was part of his contract) and that stunk too because of their poor decisions. Afflecks plans for Batman are also an unfortunate victim of Johns plans to fix the DCEU. The latest theory behind the box office drop of the great new Spiderman movie is that the general audiences are getting a little fatigue with superheroes at the movies- while I hope that's not true- it COULD be.... in which case, audiences might be even pickier now on superhero films and if that's the case- then a movie franchise that's "Still figuring it out" seems to definitely making it hard on themselves. In any case, I'm glad that if the superhero trend is fading (at least for the megabudgeted ones)- then I'm glad that there really was a good chunk of great superhero that was done. Thanks to Marvel!
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Post by Metallo on Jul 23, 2017 18:51:21 GMT -5
Homecoming actually jumped over Apes this weekend for the number three spot after apes beat it last week. The two films ate into each other's box office. That's why they both did weaker than expected last weekend. This weekend Spideys drop was 50 percent. That's actually about normal. Plus the fact that it's the sixth Spider-Man movie and the third version in 15 years. I'd argue Spider-man fatigue before superhero fatigue.
Homecomings opening almost doubled the two Marc Webb movies and it's long since passed the domestic take of the second film so I don't buy the superhero fatigue excuse. There are plenty of other reasons.
Homecoming had to rehab spideys image in the eyes of the audience after three lackluster films. It's the same reason Batman Begins and XMen First Class weren't as massive as the could have been but paved the way for their sequels to do better.
It's the same reason Star Trek beyond more or less tanked compared to the much worse Into Darkness. People didn't bother after being burned by the last one.
If there were superhero fatigue why would Wonder Woman be one of WB's biggest superhero films ever at the doemstic box office? It's passed BVS and suicide squad.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2017 9:00:18 GMT -5
Homecoming actually jumped over Apes this weekend for the number three spot after apes beat it last week. The two films ate into each other's box office. That's why they both did weaker than expected last weekend. This weekend Spideys drop was 50 percent. That's actually about normal. Plus the fact that it's the sixth Spider-Man movie and the third version in 15 years. I'd argue Spider-man fatigue before superhero fatigue. Homecomings opening almost doubled the two Marc Webb movies and it's long since passed the domestic take of the second film so I don't buy the superhero fatigue excuse. There are plenty of other reasons. Homecoming had to rehab spideys image in the eyes of the audience after three lackluster films. It's the same reason Batman Begins and XMen First Class weren't as massive as the could have been but paved the way for their sequels to do better. It's the same reason Star Trek beyond more or less tanked compared to the much worse Into Darkness. People didn't bother after being burned by the last one. If there were superhero fatigue why would Wonder Woman be one of WB's biggest superhero films ever at the doemstic box office? It's passed BVS and suicide squad. Good points. It's a pity (but understandable) if there is Spidey fatigue- because the new Spiderman feels very fresh and yet still faithful enough (for the most part) to the original comics.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2017 12:50:11 GMT -5
It might have been different if there had been ten years between reboots but Holland made his debut two years after Garfield's last movie. Just not enough time for that want to build up. I've always felt one thing that hurt Routh and even Cavill is three versions of Superman all being so close together.
When you consider how much better Homecoming has performed at the box office compared to Batman begins I think it says something about how solid a film it is and how strong the Marvel Studios brand name is.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 2, 2017 20:30:33 GMT -5
It might have been different if there had been ten years between reboots but Holland made his debut two years after Garfield's last movie. Just not enough time for that want to build up. I've always felt one thing that hurt Routh and even Cavill is three versions of Superman all being so close together. When you consider how much better Homecoming has performed at the box office compared to Batman begins I think it says something about how solid a film it is and how strong the Marvel Studios brand name isn't. I have a feeling that to the average moviegoer, he/she thinks that it's exactly the same production company behind ALL the Spiderman movies. Hence, like you said, fatigue. On the flip side: yeah, it really is the equivalent of a superhero "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"- and I have major love for that film, too. Though.... the slightest part of me still wishes we got a red-haired MJ, Harry Osbourne, etc.- but I totally get why Marvel/Sony chose to suprise from the ground up. It had to feel completely fresh for a reboot so soon.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 2, 2017 21:02:03 GMT -5
We may still get THE Mary Jane. They've confirmed MichelIe is not THE MJ but something like John Blake was in TDKR. It's vague tho. Could she be "MJ" for this universe for all intents and purposes? Who knows. But it leaves the door open. I think we will eventually see the Osbornes but they were smart to hold off this early. We just saw both of them in TASM 2. Just seems like Marvel went out of their way to avoid a lot of what Sony already covered.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 14, 2017 0:32:53 GMT -5
We may still get THE Mary Jane. They've confirmed Michecke is not THE MJ but something like John Blake was in TDKR. It's vague tho. Could she be "MJ" for this universe for all intents and purposes? Who knows. But it leaves the door open. I think we will eventually see the Osbornes but they were smart to hold off this early. We just saw both of them in TASM 2. Just seems like Marvel went out of their way to avoid a lot of what Sony already covered. Probably a smart choice.... the main pluses to Spiderman: Homecoming was the story really embracing Spiderman as a 'b-level superhero' in an Avengers' world.... much like he was portrayed in the Lee/Ditko comics when he was trying to audition for the Fantastic Four. The minus side is the unfortunate loss of much of Spiderman's classic history- due to overexposure by the two previous Spiderman sets of movies. For awhile I was cheering the rumor that Tobey Maguire was going to be shown in Civil War, so that the Raimi movies could again be 'canon', but given how much time has passed and the actors have aged, what Marvel's doing is probably in the long run for the best- Now Spiderman is like a piece of glass that fits perfectly in the MCU's church of superhero adaptations. Raimi's is the perfect (well except for the unfortunate #3) Spiderman standalone series- But- it looks like Spiderman as part of a larger superhero universe is happening now, and so far, it is... well, pretty amazing.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 14, 2017 8:43:43 GMT -5
Sadly it'll never be what everyone wanted. Even the Raimi films disregarded some classic elements that would have made them perfect Spidey films to me. I think Marvels on their way to making the best Spider-Man series if they keep up the good work. TASM movies really mucked things up.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 16, 2017 11:17:16 GMT -5
Sadly it'll never be what everyone wanted. Even the Raimi films disregarded some classic elements that would have made them perfect Spidey films to me. I think Marvels on their way to making the best Spider-Man series if they keep up the good work. TASM movies really mucked things up. It's great, though, that Raimi made the first Spiderman movie as good as it as, even if it didn't meet all expectations. Poor Green Lantern's initial movie was almost as bad as it could get.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 16, 2017 12:05:34 GMT -5
Raimi was the right guy. I think after stuff like Darkman Evil Dead and producing various shows people had faith in him. I know I did. I think Spider-Man 1 was what it needed to be for the time. It had mainstream appeal while being the first movie for the character and thus was a monster hit.
Green Lantern was a movie at least a decade too late. If it had been made ten or fifteen years earlier it might have been a big hit but not only was it out of date and unoriginal but it was bad. Iron Man and Dark Knight ushered in a new type and new era of superhero movies and green lantern seemed like a throwback.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 17, 2017 2:45:16 GMT -5
Raimi was the right guy. I think after stuff like Darkman Evil Dead and producing various shows people had faith in him. I know I did. I think Spider-Man 1 was what it needed to be for the time. It had mainstream appeal while being the first movie for the character and thus was a monster hit. Green Lantern was a movie at least a decade too late. If it had been made ten or fifteen years earlier it might have been a big hit but not only was it out of date and unoriginal but it was bad. Iron Man and Dark Knight ushered in a new type and new era of superhero movies and green lantern seemed like a throwback. I think you may even be giving GL too much credit. At least with MOS a fan cut could reshape some of the scenes and performances- with GL, there's so little good in that film, I don't think there's ENOUGH for a fan cut to save/salvage!
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Post by Metallo on Aug 17, 2017 14:41:13 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong GL is crap. It has a handful of good things in it but its not good. MOS IS better than Green Lantern but I do think GL could benefit from a reedit more than MOS. it wouldn't improve much but I'd cut a lot of the humor out.
So many of MOS's issues are core parts of film from the tone to the writing to Snyders direction and the acting. You'd have to cut out massive pieces across the film and without them I'm not sure it would make sense...Unless theres tons of cut footage ala batman forever or superman II. Hard to see how they'd fix the third act. Visually the film could be improved with some brighter color grading. Green Lantern has the same problem in that you can't replace the entire Hector Hammond character and performance.
I would like to see films like suicide squad and Fant4stic recut with all the unused footage. Those films were radically altered after their initial cuts so we might end up with different movies.
Might be time to give Green Lantern and Fantfourstic rewatches. I have seen them in full in years. .
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 31, 2017 11:21:33 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong GL is crap. It has a handful of good things in it but its not good. MOS IS better than Green Lantern but I do think GL could benefit from a reedit more than MOS. it wouldn't improve much but I'd cut a lot of the humor out. So many of MOS's issues are core parts of film from the tone to the writing to Snyders direction and the acting. You'd have to cut out massive pieces across the film and without them I'm not sure it would make sense...Unless theres tons of cut footage ala batman forever or superman II. Hard to see how they'd fix the third act. Visually the film could be improved with some brighter color grading. Green Lantern has the same problem in that you can't replace the entire Hector Hammond character and performance. I would like to see films like suicide squad and Fant4stic recut with all the unused footage. Those films were radically altered after their initial cuts so we might end up with different movies. Might be time to give Green Lantern and Fantfourstic rewatches. I have seen them in full in years. . I'm still dying to see the director's cut of Josh Trank's Fantastic Four. Such a pity that he decided to nuke his own career in one tweet.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 31, 2017 16:38:15 GMT -5
I really liked their take on The Thing. I'd love to see that full military airdrop sequence. I don't get why they cut one of the coolest moments from the whole film. They could have worked it into a montage.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 1, 2017 9:40:40 GMT -5
I really liked their take on The Thing. I'd love to see that full military airdrop sequence. I don't get why they cut one of the coolest moments from the whole film. They could have worked it into a montage. If the budget was gutted halfway through, and it became a Superman IV situation, they should have stuck to their guns and release a cut that the director approved of. The first X-men either had its budget cut or was just too low, (I know Singer and company asked for more money, but was denied) but Singer still delivered the heart of that story and that made all the difference imo. The last act is such a mess.... *sigh*. And I can't believe they screwed up Dr.Doom AGAIN in film...
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Post by Metallo on Sept 1, 2017 9:58:11 GMT -5
Tranks FF could have been delivered on its initial budget or even a smaller budget. Singer pulled it off. Reshooting so much bumped the budget up anyway so Fox cutting it was pointless in the end.
Daredevil could have been done on its initial budget but they added more after Spider-Man hit big. Fox is too afraid and reactionary. They always seem to change the game plan mid game wether it's working or not. Xmen needed MORE money. Daredevil would have benefitted from LESS money. It's mind boggling. Just shows Fox doesn't have a clue and are more followers than leaders.
Problem with Doom is they keep going back to the ultimate FF comics and keep trying to tie dooms origin to the FF. They don't have faith in the source material. Dooms origin should be seperate because it represents everything about him as a character. If anything it would only add to Reeds guilt. He couldn't help Victor and he couldn't help Ben and co ten years later. It's one thing the Corman movie acually got right.
Just trust the comics. Doom has one the best origins ever. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel, Fox.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 2, 2017 3:30:06 GMT -5
Tranks FF could have been delivered on its initial budget or even a smaller budget. Singer pulled it off. Reshooting so much bumped the budget up anyway so Fox cutting it was pointless in the end. Daredevil could have been done on its initial budget but they added more after Spider-Man hit big. Fox is too afraid and reactionary. They always seem to change the game plan mid game wether it's working or not. Xmen needed MORE money. Daredevil would have benefitted from LESS money. It's mind boggling. Just shows Fox doesn't have a clue and are more followers than leaders. Problem with Doom is they keep going back to the ultimate FF comics and keep trying to tie dooms origin to the FF. They don't have faith in the source material. Dooms origin should be seperate because it represents everything about him as a character. If anything it would only add to Reeds guilt. He couldn't help Victor and he couldn't help Ben and co ten years later. It's one thing the Corman movie acually got right. Just trust the comics. Doom has one the best origins ever. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel, Fox. I was okay with the production values of Daredevil- but the director just didn't know how to shape the dramatic scenes properly, much like Snyder. I didn't mind the 'Daredevil =vision' fx. Some nice bits, actually. As far as Doom goes- you're 1000 percent correct. Can't believe they screwed it up so badly twice.
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