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[bizarroworld]

My cut of Superman II is now complete.

Superman II: The Adventure Continues

1 hr. 44 minutes

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Changes made to the official Superman II and The Donner Cut:

1. Intro cut down from The Donner Cut: Trial, STM recap, credits = 9 minutes... only inserted a shorter clip of the trial because Alex from BizarroWorld requested it... it works both ways.. used Lester's footage of villains escaping due to better background plates
2. Daily Planet scene cuts when Lois shows Clark the paper so I could use a "completed" reveal scene
3. Moon Explorers scene from Lester's version/Thorne's score, cut after Zod says "finally to rule" (no fly away)
4. Fixed Luthor's hand when he says "you wanna take a trip"... in the Donner Cut, he starts saying it while holding his left hand up, then the next shot shows his right hand up... I fixed it by using a far away shot of the ballon
5. Niagara Falls overview and then Lois jumping in the water
6. Luthor approaching and in the fortress from the Donner Cut, cut at "too true to be good" to Villains arrival
7. Villains arrival edited - Zod no longer says "So this is planet houston, what a strange surface" cuts at guy in boats reaction
8. Next scene is Pink Bear, followed by flying to the fortress
9. Villains encounter the cops - Zod double deleted, cuts faster to the gunshot
10. Extended scenes of Superman and Lois in the fortress/Superman getting dinnner/something more comfortable
11. News report/military vs trio from Donner cut, cut Zod's "the whole planet houston" line
12. Losing Powers as seen in Donner Cut
13. Whitehouse Invasion as seen in Donner Cut
14. Diner as seen in Donner Cut
15. Luthor Pays a Call is now without the Lester filmed bridge of the villains being bored
16. Getting powers back as seen in Donner Cut minus the "father!" line which is seamlessly cut
17. Daily Planet scene when villains attack is pure Donner but at the earthquake sound seamlessly goes to Lester's music - hand holding Perry cut, Lester's Lois cut
18. "Would you care to step outside line" intact with Lester's triumphant music
19. Zod's lines cut before he throws concrete
20. After cabbie says "this is gonna be good" the battle is pure Donner with one small edit after Superman is kicked into Liberty, also removed the mirrored shot of Zod, and the mirrored "no entry" scene
21. Fortress finale plays the same except the switch to Lester's music once Superman crushes Zod's hand
22. Never Forget scene from Donner version minus destroying the Fortress
23. Balcony Goodbye scene from Donner cut leads into Diner Rematch and end credits. No flag return, no turning back time, no memory kiss.
24. Donner end credits with new Superman theme and Lois' theme

QUESTIONS and ANSWERS:

Q: Why did you include the "pink bear" scene and "Lois jumping in the water"?
A: Although I am a pro-Donner viewer, for this cut I wanted to use only "completed" scenes, meaning no workprint footage, no deleted scene footage. For this reason, I had to come up with a way to use Donner's opening and Lester's Niagara scenes. Blank Bullets is just a test shot and I did not want to use it for this "complete" version.

Q: Why didn't you use "turning back time" "memory kiss" or the "returning flag" at the end?
A: I didn't use turning back time because I wanted this to be the most complete version and one that could have reasonably followed STM. I didn't use "memory kiss" because although it technically works and looks good in the picture, after the discussion on Lois's balcony it just seems like overkill and I wanted to go with a more "pure Donner" solution. Plus, everything doesn't have to be 100% resolved in every film. It's cool that Lois knows his secret. I didn't use the returning the flag simply because the shot of Superman approaching the Whitehouse looks unfinished and takes the viewer out of the "completed film" mindset.

Q: Why doesn't Superman destroy the fortress?
A: He doesn't destroy the fortress because I had to cut the Arctic Patrol scene, and without that scene it might seem like Superman destroys the fortress with Luthor inside.

Q: What? You cut Arctic Patrol? I love that scene!
A: So do I. The only reason I did not use that scene is because even though it is in widescreen, it is not in "completed" or "mastered form." I may use it for another cut, but for this cut, I wanted to only use "completed" scenes.

[Jimbo]

Mar 20, 2009 15:16:46 GMT -5 bizarroworld said:

Q: What? You cut Arctic Patrol? I love that scene!
A: So do I. The only reason I did not use that scene is because even though it is in widescreen, it is not in "completed" or "mastered form." I may use it for another cut, but for this cut, I wanted to only use "completed" scenes.

Why the inconsistency? Poor footage quality didn't stop you from harvesting the deleted scenes footage from the S4 DVD and my S4 cut. Those look far worse than S2's deleted scenes.

[bizarroworld]

Mar 20, 2009 15:46:25 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

Mar 20, 2009 15:16:46 GMT -5 bizarroworld said:

Q: What? You cut Arctic Patrol? I love that scene!
A: So do I. The only reason I did not use that scene is because even though it is in widescreen, it is not in "completed" or "mastered form." I may use it for another cut, but for this cut, I wanted to only use "completed" scenes.

Why the inconsistency? Poor footage quality didn't stop you from harvesting the deleted scenes footage from the S4 DVD and my S4 cut. Those look far worse than S2's deleted scenes.

The Superman IV release was to show how a good film could have been made using all footage that was "shot." Basically placing the blame on the original editor for making the choices he did -- instead of focusing on the strengths of what was shot (the characters, the heartfelt story), he instead chose to showcase the worst scenes (moon battle) while leaving good ones on the cutting room floor (red alert, Clark & Lacy, Luthor Dealing Arms).

This current Superman II cut is to try and make the very "best" film that could have been made using all "finished" scenes. Taking that approach with Superman IV would have resulted in a 60 minute film (basically the first 50 minutes of my cut and the last two scenes) since many scenes worthy of inclusion are in workprint form only and many scenes that a terrible are the ones that exist in finished quality.

[Jimbo]

It looks like you have renamed your S2 cut. I think that's a good decision since you're approaching them differently.

[bizarroworld]

Mar 20, 2009 15:51:23 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

It looks like you have renamed your S2 cut. I think that's a good decision since you're approaching them differently.

Yes because even though I wanted to originally name it final cut, even this final cut isn't necessarily what I want to see. I'd like blank bullets and Donner filmed Niagara scenes, but they can never be. Plus, Lester's two best filmed scenes are easily Lois jumping in the water and the memory kiss a close second. I just didn't feel like it worked after two discussions outside the fortress and on her balcony. It just seems like a different Lois. If you're looking for a more closed ending, then by all means put that in, but I can't leave quality footage such as Never Forget and the balcony on the cutting room floor.

There are so many versions you can make with Superman II it's unreal.

[stargazer01]

wow, you guys are soo hardcore! ;D

[Jimbo]

Hardcore? Not me, I'm cool. *pops collar*

[Legsy]

[Jimbo]

I don't know what's funnier, the dozen or so popped collars, the facial expression, the pointed finger or the embroidered toilet. ;D

[Legsy]

It's all funny, my dear.

[Valentine Smith]

Wow! That was ALWAYS my perfect ending for S2...leaving Lois KNOWING everything. It's ballsy. I may check this out!

[Jimbo]

NEEDS the flag. Superman II is not complete without the flag return.

[bizarroworld]

Can't do it. That scene with the Whitehouse looks incomplete. It's a nice scene, if only it was completed -- those effects look something like Superman IV.

[Jimbo]

I can forgive a static fountain in exchange for that great musical cue. I also much prefer the original credits. The DC credits had no style to them at all.

[bizarroworld]

You're right about that - those Donner credits are so plain. I used them though, at least they say Richard Donner was the director. I'm going to do "the longest" Superman 2 cut next. It's going to have Paris, Arctic Patrol, Time Travel, Memory Kiss. j/k

[Jimbo]

First version of my cut had both the Daily Planet jump AND the Niagara jump. Hey, Lois is nuts, why not? ;D

XK-101 freeing the villains AND Paris was in it. Hey, why not? Paris needed to be there so Superman was in the movie for longer than 10 minutes.

I'll redo it sometime. It will have far less of the shitty Donner footage (mostly the stuff with crappy CG and scoring will go) and more of the Lester versions of things.

[adam15]

Jimbo.... do you prefer Lester's work over Donners? I mean if you were to take all the Donner stuff from the DC and compare it to the Lester stuff from the LC you would pick the latter right?

So you had Paris in your cut; what was the point other than a non-sequitor day in the life of Superman bit? Gotta admit though as much as Superman II isn't complete w/out the flag return, it also needs the shirt rip. Maybe Selutron will figure out a way to use the shirt rip w/o Paris?

[adam15]

I have a thing about superhero movies. They should start out with the hero in disguise and end with the hero in his superhero costume. The flyby really doesn't count because it's not realy a scene.

I hated that Batman Returns ended with Bruce just like I didn't like Superman IV starting with Supes

[Jimbo]

Mar 21, 2009 14:33:17 GMT -5 @adam15 said:

Jimbo.... do you prefer Lester's work over Donners? I mean if you were to take all the Donner stuff from the DC and compare it to the Lester stuff from the LC you would pick the latter right?

It really depends on the scene. Lester scenes had real editing and real scoring. Depowering and repowering were much improved with having Brando, but the scoring of Lester's versions with Lara and just the green crystal are better finished scenes.

So you had Paris in your cut; what was the point other than a non-sequitor day in the life of Superman bit? Gotta admit though as much as Superman II isn't complete w/out the flag return, it also needs the shirt rip.

No other reason than wanting it to be there. It did not further the plot since it didn't release the villains, though in a future cut, I'd excise the XK-101 rocket and go with the Paris H-bomb. It was just a fun sequence.

[atp]

Mar 20, 2009 15:16:46 GMT -5 bizarroworld said:

9. Villains encounter the cops - Zod double deleted, cuts faster to the gunshot
10. Extended scenes of Superman and Lois in the fortress/Superman getting dinnner/something more comfortable
11. News report/military vs trio from Donner cut, cut Zod's "the whole planet houston" line
12. Losing Powers as seen in Donner Cut
13. Whitehouse Invasion as seen in Donner Cut
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There is a scene missing. A crucial one. It should come somewhere between 9 and 11. Please.

[bizarroworld]

Mar 22, 2009 6:20:10 GMT -5 atp said:

Mar 20, 2009 15:16:46 GMT -5 bizarroworld said:

9. Villains encounter the cops - Zod double deleted, cuts faster to the gunshot
10. Extended scenes of Superman and Lois in the fortress/Superman getting dinnner/something more comfortable
11. News report/military vs trio from Donner cut, cut Zod's "the whole planet houston" line
12. Losing Powers as seen in Donner Cut
13. Whitehouse Invasion as seen in Donner Cut
.

There is a scene missing. A crucial one. It should come somewhere between 9 and 11. Please.

The weak Lester material of the villains with the rednecks is gone.

[MerM]

Even Tiny Tim?

[Jor-L5150]

Mar 16, 2009 23:25:56 GMT -5 bizarroworld said:

For Adam --

Here's the intro for Superman II: The Final Cut. I hope you like it. I'm working on it while I'm uploading Superman IV: The Final Cut to Megaupload.

very nice-

[Jor-L5150]

Mar 20, 2009 22:27:53 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

I can forgive a static fountain in exchange for that great musical cue. I also much prefer the original credits. The DC credits had no style to them at all.

there have been at least a couple fancuts that used the scene composited with the actual flowing fountain- the static fountain in the theatrical is unforgiveable.

[bizarroworld]

I just wanted to thank the John Ritter guy with the suggestion about the boat scene. I went back to make a few final edits and used his suggestion with the boat guy throwing the coffee. It does work better. I also edited the part where the military dude puts the machine gun through the window, Zod grabs it... in the Donner Cut, the gun has no special effects when being shot so it looks fake. I just did a faster cut and it's 100% improved.

This cut runs 1 hr. 44 minutes and I will begin uploading it to Rapidshare or Megaupload today. Look for more previews today too, I'll post them here.

I feel this is the most complete and best version of Superman II ever made, and the most Donner-esque version ever, using the well filmed Lester scenes (Niagara) to complete Donner's vision.