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Post by adam15 on Apr 16, 2009 13:56:38 GMT -5
Y'know I STILL think that Selutron's new SII ending involves Lois dying just for the record. Only Superman will allow Lois to remain dead rather than risk turning the world back again.
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Apr 20, 2009 19:21:28 GMT -5
I didn't see anyone mention this, but Lois was to die in metropolis in the battle with the villains, not at the fortress. The fortress part was rewritten to have her alive throughout the movie. Leftover from the Newmans or Puzo? Probably the Newmans more likely if so, seeing as Mankewicz never read it, only got a comment from Benton saying something to the fact of "Forget it". And of course on films like this, rewrites happen lots of times. A script is never truly definite when it gets put to celluloid, especially one as complicated to film as this one.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 20, 2009 19:30:08 GMT -5
That's not impossible....but if so, it would definitely make the scene of Superman's cheeriness at returning the flag to the white house seem a little...odd, while he's still in mourning for Lois.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 20, 2009 19:34:18 GMT -5
I've never heard that (is there a draft of that somewhere?) version....but it could easily work without disrupting what's in the film.
I'd love to read more about that behind-the-scenes.....do you recall the source?
(I don't blame you if you don't. I don't always, either-)
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Apr 20, 2009 19:53:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I think there was an interview with Mankewicz roundbouts a year ago and there was something on Supes Cinema quite a while back about Lois dying in the metropolis battle, but I can't remember.
EDIT: It was Dharmesh's interview with Tom Mankewicz that shows he did not read the Puzo script.
Another EDIT:
Bill Williams' article on the evolution of the SII script on Superman Cinema cites it as lois dying at the fortress and also as a means to forget.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 20, 2009 23:40:23 GMT -5
The link for the Mankiewicz interview doesn't seem to be at SupesCinema anymore. Too bad. (I also miss the interview once linked there w/John Williams, where Williams stated that STM was one of his giant film highlights- not too suprising, given the credits allow one to really just enjoy the fantastic score in STM). If you have another link to the Mank interview, can you post it Matt? Thanks! (or, if you're reading this Gandy....  ) I do remember reading a couple of places about the Fortress and crystals getting destroyed because of the reversal of time. That's better than zero consequences of reversing time. (Though it's a pity that of ALL the writing devices Puzo could have used, did he HAVE to use reversing time? It's interesting to note that in the many many years of DC comics, Superman has NEVER been able to reverse time. In the times he tried (s), the universe somehow corrects itself and punishes Supes for trying. And I don't think he ever tried circling the earth to do that.) |
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Apr 21, 2009 14:45:09 GMT -5
supermancinema.co.uk/special_features/interviews/tom_mankiewicz/default.aspShould work. Also, yeah, there needs to be a consequence for actions. Superman II had it with Jor-El's essence being sacrificed. Superman lost his father again for his actions, and IMO works better than the crystals blowing up because there's more emotion to it. I think buried somewhere, there's something about time travel taking the change during Donner's turn. Something about making it easy for a kid to know what's going on... Otherwise I definitely remember many times in the comics where he would go back in time, but I don't believe he ever changed anything, especially not bringing anyone back from the dead.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 21, 2009 18:23:05 GMT -5
Agreed.... it's why it was such a disappointment to see HOW that parental sacrifice scene really was unfinished in the RDC. Either the footage was never shot and DOnner would have reshot more (I think he did allude to this particular scene on the commentary more than once) or - again- badly edited by Thau. (I suspect Thau, given how many camera angles Donner shot of many of the Brando and Hackman scenes, given their limited start/finish dates)
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Post by joey m on Apr 23, 2009 16:37:53 GMT -5
Didn't Thau edit some things a particular way just to be able to use a certain piece of music?
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Post by Keith on Apr 23, 2009 17:20:36 GMT -5
Didn't Thau edit some things a particular way just to be able to use a certain piece of music? A certain peice of music? I thought it was just the same track looped over throughout the whole movie.  |
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Post by zarius on May 3, 2009 16:52:29 GMT -5
and fuck me - they even used it again in IV  Yeah, and then she claimed that she still knew that Clark was Superman. "I remember everything." Wait, WHAT?! So, she's been playing a game all this time, pretending not to know that Clark is Superman? So after he kisses her yet again, she again gets all hazy. Is she faking it this time too? Ugh, what a mess. Also...the ending of the Donner S II version, after he spins the Earth back, kind of hints Lois just figures out again anyway. Clark must have been thinking at this point "Fark this, I'll go get a coke" |
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Post by adam15 on May 15, 2009 10:39:07 GMT -5
Well yeah... that was the whole point of Clark going to beat up Rocky; he was pissed as heck that, after turning back time, Lois STILL was subconciously on to him.
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Post by Matt in the Hat on May 15, 2009 21:18:41 GMT -5
I thought his sphincter tightened because he thought that Lois was going to say Super--MAN. When he doesn't hear that, just "Super", he takes a moment and walks away. Like for a moment he THINKS she remembered, but thankfully she didn't.
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Post by adam15 on May 18, 2009 2:27:20 GMT -5
I thought his sphincter tightened because he thought that Lois was going to say Super--MAN. When he doesn't hear that, just "Super", he takes a moment and walks away. Like for a moment he THINKS she remembered, but thankfully she didn't. Yea he did look like he puckered his ass... why did Thau use the spinchter shot?? But I do think there was a take when Clarkie jumps on Lois's desk and yells 'JUMPING JEHOSAPHAT!! HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! And the film ends there, why didn't Thau use that? |
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