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Post by Jimbo on Apr 27, 2009 16:17:52 GMT -5
That I wouldn't agree with. Reeve's face looks right out of the comic book, square jaw and everything.
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 27, 2009 16:53:37 GMT -5
That I wouldn't agree with. Reeve's face looks right out of the comic book, square jaw and everything. So does Brandon's. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Apr 27, 2009 16:57:58 GMT -5
It is. Superman's the granddaddy of superhero movies and few have managed to match it's accomplishments since, and it's been over 30 years. Superman Returns didn't do enough to stand on it's own, there's a lot of potential plotlines left mostly unexplored, and they had their shot to show that Lex isn't only interested in land, and they failed. Even Superman IV showed that Lex is more than a real estate maniac. To top it all off, Brandon Routh does not meet the standards that Christopher Reeve set. There wasn't enough diversity in his performance, he hardly had any lines, and he certainly doesn't have the look down like Reeve did. I think that he certainly has it. I actually think Brandon's look is more arquetypal than Reeve's. Yeah, I know I'm in the minority here. So be it. Nah, Routh doesn't touch Reeve's look or screen presence or performance. I liked Routh and all, but he didn't do to Superman what Daniel Craig did with Bond. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 27, 2009 17:11:48 GMT -5
-Even in the 1970s, the military didn't cart nuclear missles around like that. -No one's mentioned the "can you read my mind" sequence? -Who built all that stuff for Lex in his lair? (And who printed up that nice map overlay for him?) Does he have a pool cleaner, or does he just keep dumping chlorine in there? i am not sure if all these posts are serious complaints or nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking, but to address your questions : - i never cared for the " can you read my mind " . i'd cut it. cut it yesterday. less is more here, they fly around , we get the idea. - luthors lair is the best setpiece EVER. i swear , if i EVER win the lottery i WILL have that built as my basement. but to answere your question , the lair is a closed-up / walled-off section of subway luthor commandeered. it would be easy ( for him ) to bootleg some power cables and voila' ! and i am sure he has otis and miss tesmuacher clean the pool. the map mural on the floor is a leftover from when that section of subway was in use. |
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Post by fggafagas on Apr 27, 2009 17:43:35 GMT -5
It is. Superman's the granddaddy of superhero movies and few have managed to match it's accomplishments since, and it's been over 30 years. Superman Returns didn't do enough to stand on it's own, there's a lot of potential plotlines left mostly unexplored, and they had their shot to show that Lex isn't only interested in land, and they failed. Even Superman IV showed that Lex is more than a real estate maniac. To top it all off, Brandon Routh does not meet the standards that Christopher Reeve set. There wasn't enough diversity in his performance, he hardly had any lines, and he certainly doesn't have the look down like Reeve did. I think that he certainly has it. I actually think Brandon's look is more arquetypal than Reeve's. Yeah, I know I'm in the minority here. So be it. Routh has the jaw I suppose, but one thing that bothers me about his appearance that makes him seem too youthful is the big eyes. Then again, to me he looks young in general, especially since the movie takes place 6 years after he first became Superman. Reeve just has a more masculine and mature face. |
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Post by HOSNI on Apr 27, 2009 18:13:58 GMT -5
what a controversial thread. Apologies of someone already mentioned this - I hated the flipped image of Supes approaching the wing on airforce one.
even in subsequent dvd releases this was never corrected.
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 27, 2009 18:30:12 GMT -5
I'd definitely fix if I could. When I made my S4 cut, I unflipped the shot of Superman throwing Nuclear Man 1 away. From a framing standpoint, Superman is facing the wrong side of the frame, but I'd rather face that than a backwards S.
Another special effect that bothered me was the San Andreas Fault fixing itself, which was just footage of the model crumbling played backwards.
Legoland town was just the WORST though. Ugh.
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Post by Chancellor Todd on Apr 27, 2009 18:43:12 GMT -5
-Even in the 1970s, the military didn't cart nuclear missles around like that. -No one's mentioned the "can you read my mind" sequence? -Who built all that stuff for Lex in his lair? (And who printed up that nice map overlay for him?) Does he have a pool cleaner, or does he just keep dumping chlorine in there? i am not sure if all these posts are serious complaints or nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking, but to address your questions : - i never cared for the " can you read my mind " . i'd cut it. cut it yesterday. less is more here, they fly around , we get the idea. - luthors lair is the best setpiece EVER. i swear , if i EVER win the lottery i WILL have that built as my basement. but to answere your question , the lair is a closed-up / walled-off section of subway luthor commandeered. it would be easy ( for him ) to bootleg some power cables and voila' ! and i am sure he has otis and miss tesmuacher clean the pool. the map mural on the floor is a leftover from when that section of subway was in use. Well, I was just trying to come up with stuff that bothered me. I know the map was built into the floor, but I was referring to the overlay with "Teschmacher Peaks" and "Costa Del Lex." Cleaning the pool might be easy, but how did he get the piano down there? Who installed the door that pushes poor saps into the path of oncoming trains? And who connected its wires to the control box hundreds of feet away? |
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Post by fggafagas on Apr 27, 2009 19:08:48 GMT -5
what a controversial thread. Apologies of someone already mentioned this - I hated the flipped image of Supes approaching the wing on airforce one. even in subsequent dvd releases this was never corrected. Yeah that bugged me too. How do they make mistakes like that? They had Superman holding the wrong wing, so they flipped the footage to fix it? |
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 27, 2009 19:35:01 GMT -5
I think that he certainly has it. I actually think Brandon's look is more arquetypal than Reeve's. Yeah, I know I'm in the minority here. So be it. Routh has the jaw I suppose, but one thing that bothers me about his appearance that makes him seem too youthful is the big eyes. Then again, to me he looks young in general, especially since the movie takes place 6 years after he first became Superman. Reeve just has a more masculine and mature face. Brandon has the jaw, the cheekbones, the chin, etc. in one word, the has the Greek god look required to play the role. Brandon reminds me so much of a young Gregory Peck, who I consider to have The absolute perfect Superman look and presence. However, I'll concede that Brandon did look younger than Reeve in SR, which did not bother me. He has matured a great deal since then over the last 3 years, especially in his look. He definitely appears more mature and wiser. But I guess I understand that to some people Brandon will never be considered as good as Reeve as Superman, though; you can't compete with your childhood hero. I'm sure a lot of George Reeves' fans felt the same way towards Reeve. In fact, I know they did and still do. It's the way it is. I guess I see things a little different than most here since I didn't grow up watching the Reeve Superman movies as much. I did like them and Reeve very much, and still do, but I was not obsessed with them. I saw them a few times as a little girl and then moved on with my life. It was until I saw SR that my love for Superman was rekindled. Now, I even read the comics, own all the movies, a lot of the cartoons, and want more! ;D |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 27, 2009 19:40:40 GMT -5
A similiar problem happened on Lord of the Rings- the editor pointed out that she had to flip the footage of a character who was talking, but facing the wrong direction, even though he had a blood stain on the wrong side of the face, afterwards.
For such expensive productions, it amazes me, too, at how continuity gets so screwed up--- even with continuity people on set! *sigh*
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Post by adam15 on Apr 28, 2009 11:16:45 GMT -5
Adam, this is not another soapbox thread for your SR hatred. Cut it out. Sorry! I was just kinda responding to the request to "count" the number of times I did a  while reading that review. To show my remorse I will say one good thing about SR. Just gimmie a week I swear I'll come up with it just you wait!  |
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Post by MerM on Apr 28, 2009 11:22:41 GMT -5
To show my remorse I will say one good thing about SR. Just gimmie a week I swear I'll come up with it just you wait! What are you, Eisenhower? |
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 28, 2009 11:30:09 GMT -5
Sorry! I was just kinda responding to the request to "count" the number of times I did a while reading that review. To show my remorse I will say one good thing about SR. Just gimmie a week I swear I'll come up with it just you wait! Um, did you forget that you already made a thread about that? ;D |
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 28, 2009 11:30:46 GMT -5
Nah, Routh doesn't touch Reeve's look or screen presence or performance. I liked Routh and all, but he didn't do to Superman what Daniel Craig did with Bond. I completely disagree. I like Routh almost as much as Reeve. I like his Superman much better than Craig's Bond. |
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Post by adam15 on Apr 28, 2009 13:10:01 GMT -5
I gotta say that I loved Craigs bond way more than Routhie's Superman. I was skeptical of Craig though because he has blond hair... since when has Bond been a blonde? But his performance was so great that I forgave that minor detail!
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Post by Legsy on Apr 28, 2009 13:13:33 GMT -5
Meh, I don't like Bond. People are quite surprised when I tell them I've never seen a complete bond film. I've seen bits and pieces, but I've never seen an entire movie.
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Post by MerM on Apr 28, 2009 13:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 28, 2009 13:19:20 GMT -5
Meh, I don't like Bond. People are quite surprised when I tell them I've never seen a complete bond film. I've seen bits and pieces, but I've never seen an entire movie. I'm pretty much with ya Legsy. Ive seen pieces of several of them & didnt like them at all. Too silly for me. Though I can totally see why some people dig them. I saw a Dalton one & liked it, & I like Casino Royale. Thats it though. I prefer Bourne. Its like Bond, but without the wrist watches that turn into speed boats. ;D |
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 28, 2009 13:22:05 GMT -5
Meh, I don't like Bond. People are quite surprised when I tell them I've never seen a complete bond film. I've seen bits and pieces, but I've never seen an entire movie. I know what you mean. I used to like Bond movies a lot but I've changed; I find the character too one-dimensional and boring now. Sure, he is cool, attractive, a ladies man and all that, but there is no real soul and heart in those movies, imo. I understand that the new Bond films with Craig are supposed to be.. different? I dunno, I haven't felt like seeing them. |
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Post by Keith on Apr 28, 2009 13:34:11 GMT -5
Meh, I don't like Bond. People are quite surprised when I tell them I've never seen a complete bond film. I've seen bits and pieces, but I've never seen an entire movie. I know what you mean. I used to like Bond movies a lot but I've changed; I find the character too one-dimensional and boring now. Sure, he is cool, attractive, a ladies man and all that, but there is no real soul and heart in those movies, imo. I understand that the new Bond films with Craig are supposed to be.. different? I dunno, I haven't felt like seeing them. I like the Bond films.. I haven't seen all of them though.. but pretty much.. but it's been so long since i've seen the old ones, I don't remember much about em anymore. I can see what your saying about Bond seeming One-Dimensional though. That's why I like Craig so much, the reboot of the series so to speak.. Bond doesn't come off as One Dimensional with Craig. There's a lot of good personal conflict that is going on with Bond. It's pretty good. I'm all about Craig as Bond and they way the reboot of the franchise is going.. as long as it doesn't get to silly. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 28, 2009 15:51:35 GMT -5
They are very different. I miss the old Connery & Brosnan Bonds-
The Craig Bond is enjoyable, but is very grim and serious--- it doesn't feel like the light (and admittedly brainless) fun Bonds that didn't take themselves too seriously. It's closer to the Bourne Identity series in tone.
(Possibly it's closer to the Bond books, but I've never read them)
Funny that you mention Gregory Peck as Superman. When I saw "the Omen", I always wondered: "Peck would make an excellent Jor-el. Why didn't Donner hire Peck, he would have been even better than Brando?" (*this was before realizing that the Salkinds locked Brando in before hiring Donner)
Then....after listening to the newer Donner commentary for "The Omen", I realized that even if Donner had a choice of casting Peck, Peck apparently was really difficult to work with on "The Omen" (though, to be fair, Peck's son had just committed suicide prior to the filming- so who knows how Peck is normally) and punched Donner out on one occassion. ;o
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Post by EnriqueH on Apr 28, 2009 17:20:11 GMT -5
Nah, Routh doesn't touch Reeve's look or screen presence or performance. I liked Routh and all, but he didn't do to Superman what Daniel Craig did with Bond. I completely disagree. I like Routh almost as much as Reeve. I like his Superman much better than Craig's Bond. Don't get me wrong, I liked Routh. Here's why I think Reeve was way better: With Reeve, it felt like Donner just let him be. Reeve was an open book. He seemed supremely confident in his performance. He knew what he was doing, or at least he seemed like that. The camera loved him and Donner obviously wasn't afraid to dwell on Superman. With Routh, I felt like his performance was artificially controlled. I know that sounds weird because a good editor and director does that, but it goes a little beyond that. Like Singer was afraid to show him saying too much or his inexperience would show through in a bad way. Kinda like Keanu Reeves in The Matrix. Keanu is a HIDEOUS actor, but he was decent in The Matrix because they controlled how much he said. It was a very controlled performance. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 28, 2009 19:07:09 GMT -5
I know what you mean. I used to like Bond movies a lot but I've changed; I find the character too one-dimensional and boring now. Sure, he is cool, attractive, a ladies man and all that, but there is no real soul and heart in those movies, imo. I understand that the new Bond films with Craig are supposed to be.. different? I dunno, I haven't felt like seeing them. I like the Bond films.. I haven't seen all of them though.. but pretty much.. but it's been so long since i've seen the old ones, I don't remember much about em anymore. I can see what your saying about Bond seeming One-Dimensional though. That's why I like Craig so much, the reboot of the series so to speak.. Bond doesn't come off as One Dimensional with Craig. There's a lot of good personal conflict that is going on with Bond. It's pretty good. I'm all about Craig as Bond and they way the reboot of the franchise is going.. as long as it doesn't get to silly. I see. I'll wait to watch it on cable, though. Glad you like it that much.  |
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 28, 2009 19:23:47 GMT -5
They are very different. I miss the old Connery & Brosnan Bonds- The Craig Bond is enjoyable, but is very grim and serious--- it doesn't feel like the light (and admittedly brainless) fun Bonds that didn't take themselves too seriously. It's closer to the Bourne Identity series in tone. (Possibly it's closer to the Bond books, but I've never read them) Funny that you mention Gregory Peck as Superman. When I saw "the Omen", I always wondered: "Peck would make an excellent Jor-el. Why didn't Donner hire Peck, he would have been even better than Brando?" (*this was before realizing that the Salkinds locked Brando in before hiring Donner) Then....after listening to the newer Donner commentary for "The Omen", I realized that even if Donner had a choice of casting Peck, Peck apparently was really difficult to work with on "The Omen" (though, to be fair, Peck's son had just committed suicide prior to the filming- so who knows how Peck is normally) and punched Donner out on one occassion. ;o I'm sure GP would have been a fantastic Jor-El. Though, Brando did well too. However, GP's voice was perfect for the role! Just look at him... what a man. They don't make them like that anymore.. well, there are some exceptions.    BTW, I had the pleasure to have met him over 10 years ago here in Santa Barbara, Califonia, where his son Anthony lived with his wife the then supermodel Cheryl Tiegs (divorced now ). A friend of mine worked for them, so one day they had a party and needed extra help, and my friend asked me if I could do it and I did. |
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