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Post by adam15 on May 15, 2009 12:50:02 GMT -5
Given that a bunch of old franchises have recieved sequels or re-makes as of late (like Rocky Balboa, Rambo, Batman Begins, Star Trek, etc.) Do you think that, had Christopher Reeve not had his accident we would have seen him in a new Superman movie during the 2000's??
I think we would have, Christopher Reeve would have been back with a brand new cast and we would've had a Kingdom Come-like Older Superman.
Yeah Reeve woulda only been 54 today, he could have bulked up like Stallone did for Rocky Balboa and given a great last performance as Superman.
Do you guys think this would been a good movie and/or better than SR??
I think that during the latter part of the 90's Reeve's career would have continued to fall and he would have found artistic redemption in an outstanding big-budget final Superman movie.
Would Richard Donner have directed it as a favor to Reeve?? Oh the possibilities...
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Post by Jimbo on May 15, 2009 13:04:10 GMT -5
Sorry, but when I think "Superman V", I'm reminded of Cannon's idea to use the leftover Superman IV footage to make a new movie.
So no, in that case, it would entirely blow.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 15, 2009 13:47:55 GMT -5
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The Salkind attempt at Superman V with Reeve and Kandor earlier, I could see possibly being a decent enough film.
But.... even if a good film could be made with Reeve as a "Kingdom Come" age Superman, I just don't see WB ever allowing that to happen. It's rare nowadays to see any studio films with leads older than 30-something. I really doubt they'd embrace or allow a 50+ Superman--- it's one thing for a relatively low-budget Rocky, but another for something that they feel they need to plow $100+ million bucks into the budget.
While there was Star Trek VI with older looking actors, that was a moderate budget and they already proved a steady consistent audience at that point. With Superman, the audience has been so erratic, I just don't see WB rolling the dice with an actor over 40, let alone 50.
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Post by adam15 on May 15, 2009 15:10:04 GMT -5
Sorry, but when I think "Superman V", I'm reminded of Cannon's idea to use the leftover Superman IV footage to make a new movie. So no, in that case, it would entirely blow. Well you're talking about a Cannon Superman V which would have been made in the late 80's or another Salkind film made in the early 90s. I'M talking about WB realizing the potential for a new Reeve Superman movie after the incredible success of 2005's Batman Begins. I think a lot of people would have been curious to see Reeve one last time in the role of Superman before the next actor took over in a brand new re-boot. Look at William Shatner playing Kirk even when he was really old; the same could have happened with Reeve! I think that 20 years after SIV Reeve and the Superman fans would have been ready to see Reeve one last time in the role perhaps to finally end the Reeve series on a good note and have people forget about SIV... just like Stallone wanted everyone to forget Rocky V! Like it or not, Reeve would have only been able to find continued success as Superman... that role was kinda his thing and not too much else... just like Stallone didn't do anything good except for Rocky Reeve's only good stuff was Superman. (slight exaggeration but come'on let's admit it with out Rocky and Superman, Stallone and Reeve respectively would have found jobs at KFC) Therefore, it is logical to assume Reeve would have wanted to properly 'retire' or at least gain some career traction in his twilight years by being Superman again. I'm also sure that Donner would have helped Reeve out and agreed to direct the picture.... it would been perfect to have the Reeve Superman films begin and end on a good note. Dare I say I'm 99% sure it would have happened because Reeve could not have lived SIV down otherwise. Unfortunately, the 1% won out since Reeve found himself unable to commit to a final picture for unexpected yet obvious (with hindsight) reasons.  Oh well, what could have been huh? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 15, 2009 15:32:10 GMT -5
Yes, I agree it would have been really nice..
On a sidenote--- and similiar to what you're mentioning- with an older actor finishing off the same role he started in--- Tom Mankiewicz talked about Sean Connery (the original Bond) and making a last Bond film with Connery in it--- but as Bond's last adventure, when Connery was a bit (not a lot) older at the time and Mank seemed to have a great way to finish off the Connery version of Bond, by having it really BE the last Bond story. (As opposed to the last Bond which Connery did do, which is little more than a remake of one of his old Bond films)
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Post by atp on May 16, 2009 3:56:48 GMT -5
Going by the pattern of the Stallone films, they wouldn't have called it "Superman 5."
It would have been called "Super Man" or "Kal El" or "Clark Kent."
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Post by albertd on May 16, 2009 5:27:07 GMT -5
Sorry, but when I think "Superman V", I'm reminded of Cannon's idea to use the leftover Superman IV footage to make a new movie. So no, in that case, it would entirely blow. I agree with that! |
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Post by ye5man on May 16, 2009 6:09:47 GMT -5
The left over footage from IV? NM1 fight and the "red scare" stuff?
Geez, that would have been great ;D
I seriously doubt Reeve would have done a new film now. Plus WB's contempt for its audience would never have let it happen anyway under the guise that it would "confuse viewers"
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Post by atp on May 16, 2009 7:52:33 GMT -5
Yeah Reeve woulda only been 54 today, Only if he turned the world back yet again. D.O.B. 25 September 1952. |
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Post by adam15 on May 16, 2009 16:15:56 GMT -5
Well 56 then. But at 56 and no career left; why wouldn't Reeve have been interested in donning the cape again? We have to remember Reeve had his incident a WAY BACK barely after SIV. Back then, the putrid taste of SIV was still in everyone's mouths.... obviously he wouldn't have done another back then and his injury kinda made that decision permanent de facto. Reeve even said that in the early 90s he would have done a SV if iy had the right talent and $$ behind it!
BUT what I'm saying is that had Reeve not fallen of the horse, he would have gotten back on the horse so to speak in regards to the Superman films prolly 20 years later when people forgot about SIV!
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Post by Shane on May 16, 2009 18:17:07 GMT -5
no chance he would have done it
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Post by adam15 on May 16, 2009 23:52:13 GMT -5
Yes, he would have. He did SIV didn't he, why not a quality Rocky 6-esq finale to end his tenure?
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Post by Paul (ral) on May 17, 2009 10:44:18 GMT -5
He wouldn't have done it. He had been bitten to many times - SIV was the last chance for it to be done right in Reeves eyes (IMO) and it was screwed.
Besides his accident was a long time after SIV - jazus I was 9 when SIV came out and 17 when he had the accident!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 17, 2009 11:37:03 GMT -5
Reeve might have... IF he had enough support from all quarters. Since Superman IV was considered his baby, so to speak- it would probably depend on how wounded his pride might have been for that film, and whether or not he would feel (even if other projects weren't around for someone in Hollywood at 54) like the personal reward was worth the risk or not of falling flat on the face again at that point. The studio--- That's another matter and the sticking point. Getting a studio to back a Rocky 6, which isn't hundreds of millions of dollars you'd think should be easier than jumping head first into a multi-million dollar sequel for a new Superman movie. ((Remember there was a video interview w/Reeve on how close Superman V became, but the studio instead went with "Lois and Clark" as a better investment!  )) But EVEN THEN....for a 'Cheap' movie--- "Rocky 6"---- note that Stallone wanted to do Rocky 6 for a LONG time, but the studio wouldn't support him for 10-20 years, and that's with the Rocky movies being (relatively) inexpensive and most (if not all) of the sequels making a profit. (One of the earlier versions of Rocky 6 included his wife, when she and Stallone were younger) |
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Post by stargazer01 on May 17, 2009 11:53:56 GMT -5
He wouldn't have done it. Heck, he didn't even commit himself to get in proper Superman shape for Superman IV. Plus his acting in that movie was far from stelar. The whole thing was a mess of epic proportions.
Come on, he all love Reeve, but he was just a man after all.
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Post by adam15 on May 17, 2009 20:22:08 GMT -5
Well, let's say Reeve was alive today wasn't doing much professionally. Let's also suppose that SR was still in development heck. Dontcha think maybe... there woulda been a chance?  |
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Post by EvilSupes on May 18, 2009 2:18:12 GMT -5
I think Reeve would've directed, rather than star in it.
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Post by adam15 on May 18, 2009 2:34:13 GMT -5
But Reeve still woulda been in tip top shape in the late 2000's..... if he wanted to he could have bulked up and gotten WAY bigger than he had ever been. I think he just got lazy and depressed during SIV; he prolly scarfed donuts between takes to deal with his misery over the project.
BUT if a big studio head said "look Reeve we're gonna do a final Superman movie with the same talent and budget as Batman Begins and we're gonna pay you 20 million dollars and all you gotta do is lose the lard and get 100 lbs of muscle.... Reeve woulda said yes!
And the studio WOULD have done this because why waste a quarter billion on SR when they got good ole' Reeve just itchin' for a career comeback!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 18, 2009 20:22:04 GMT -5
The Bond 007 used to be THE only 'big' blockbuster semi-fantasy blockbuster out there for DECADES--- and they kept 'retiring' successful Bond actors, because of age-ism in Hollywood--- I highly doubt that that would change for a Superman film. The argument would be: If Reeve in his youth couldn't draw giant (enough) box office numbers for Superman 3 and Superman 4, why would an old version seem like a good gamble?
I just DON'T see it as something ANY studio would do (Unless it was done on the cheap, a la "Superman IV"). From a fan's point of view, yes, it'd be very cool. From a Hollywood business point of view- Rocky was a giant risk for an older actor to star, Indiana Jones was a giant risk (thus, the younger Shia LeBouf as a 'guarantee' sorta/kinda to attract the youth audience)..... and the previous Rocky and Indiana Jones' were successful (enough)... but Superman 3 and 4 weren't really that (if at all) successful, box office wise, so.... maybe Reeve would have, but WB I'd bet the farm wouldn't.
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Post by ye5man on May 19, 2009 4:31:40 GMT -5
Not to mention the stigma of "another tired sequel"
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Post by Martin-El on May 19, 2009 9:24:56 GMT -5
Speculation aside about what may have happened if Reeve had lived to be available for the next chapter I think we should instead look at the fact it soon will be possible to have the next Superman movie starring Reeve after all. Take a look...    An all CGI movie Beowulf style with Reeve at the centre? Yes please.... |
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Post by adam15 on May 19, 2009 10:38:09 GMT -5
heck YEAH!!! Bring back Reeve CGI style!! Much better than CGI villians!!
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Post by Keith on May 19, 2009 11:30:23 GMT -5
heck YEAH!!! Bring back Reeve CGI style!! Much better than CGI villians!! ATP would disagree. |
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Post by atp on May 19, 2009 12:43:10 GMT -5
Someone try to do it.
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Post by adam15 on May 20, 2009 19:12:28 GMT -5
Seriously they can use a CGI model of Reeve and Kidder to do the blank bullet scene in CGI!
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Oh well, what could have been huh?
