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Post by EvilSupes on Jun 9, 2009 13:40:20 GMT -5
For me the order goes (concerning Batman and Superman):
1. STM & Batman 1989
2. SR & BB
3. SII Theatrical & Batman Returns
4. TDK
5. SIII
6. Batman Forever
7. B&R
8. SIV
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Post by Legsy on Jun 9, 2009 14:22:18 GMT -5
SR. I'm watching it as I type.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 15:58:48 GMT -5
Superman Returns.
I mean, Batman Begins is awesome, sure, but I just really love Superman Returns.
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Post by MerM on Jun 9, 2009 20:56:55 GMT -5
For me the order goes (concerning Batman and Superman): 1. STM & Batman 1989 2. SR & BB 3. SII Theatrical & Batman Returns 4. TDK 5. SIII 6. Batman Forever 7. B&R 8. SIV Switch BF and BB, and that's my list to the letter! |
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Post by adam15 on Jun 9, 2009 21:43:28 GMT -5
STM
TDK & BB tie
SII
B89 & BR tie
SIII
BF
SR
SIV
B&R
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Post by bigbluefan on Jun 9, 2009 22:18:13 GMT -5
Even though SR wasn't perfect, I still prefer it over Batman Begins, the plane rescue is still one of my favourite scenes.
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Post by Legsy on Jun 9, 2009 23:24:48 GMT -5
Man, I don't know what it is about the Nolanverse, but I'm not diggin' BB or TDK anymore. I dunno what the phuck happened! I was a fan, then one day I woke up and I didn't like 'em. Maybe I jumped on the bandwagon too soon, but I just don't like 'em anymore.
SR on the other hand, I just love the heck out of it. It still gets me, much like STM does. Not on the same level, but it still gets me nonetheless.
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Post by ReeveIsSuperman on Jun 9, 2009 23:51:15 GMT -5
SR was just downright Dissapointing in my mind. It did a terrific Job of reminding everyone that oh... There's only 1 true Superman and it will always be Christopher Reeve and this includes the Great Films (STM & SII) as well as the weaker ones (S III & S IV). SR was simply an imposter , a fraud for a superman movie - To Me.
Now Batman Begins & The Dark Knight on the other hand - Did something people didnt exactly predict- They Revived the Franchise that Mr. Freeze & Mr. E.R. (Clooney) killed. Bale's & Ledger's aura carried Batman into a different & darker kind of Entertainment , BUT this is simply the opposite of what a Superman movie should be like. SR tried- but it ultimately sucked -because of the obvious- the horrible toys R us costume, preppy jason schwarzman actor, confusing storyline, underage Lois Lane, ETC., StalkerMan Returns was just ridiculous.. sorry.
Let's Face it. Batman Begins is winning this poll (in a Superman forum*),
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Post by stargazer01 on Jun 9, 2009 23:52:21 GMT -5
I know how you feel, legsy; I mean, I like BB and TDK, I recognize them as good/well-made films, but I only enjoy them on a superficial level. I didn't even watch BB on theaters. TDK is the only Batman film I"ve done that for. I guess I'm just not into Batman and his angst. On the other hand, I find Superman so fascinating (when written well, that is), and the Donner/Singer movies move me so much and make me love him even more. It must be in my genes.  |
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Post by adam15 on Jun 10, 2009 1:16:37 GMT -5
I know how you feel, legsy; I mean, I like BB and TDK, I recognize them as good/well-made films, but I only enjoy them on a superficial level. I didn't even watch BB on theaters. TDK is the only Batman film I"ve done that for. I guess I'm just not into Batman and his angst. On the other hand, I find Superman so fascinating (when written well, that is), and the Donner/Singer movies move me so much and make me love him even more. It must be in my genes. I dunno if I'd use angst to describe Bale's Batman... seems a bit juvenile a term. Maybe tormented... anguished.... cursed.... |
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Post by SuperSnooper on Jun 10, 2009 8:38:48 GMT -5
STM is the greatest simply because it has pure class. Both BB and TDK are the STM and SII what should have been if it were left to one director with a pure vision.
I only like Burton's Batman movies for the score, Nicholson and Prince's quirky soundtrack. And Pffeifer as Catwoman! Not really a series of films I would watch much.
Flash Gordon (1980) on the other hand......
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 10, 2009 9:13:41 GMT -5
It's extremely difficult for me to compare STM/SII to BB/TDK because I grew up on the Reeve films to such an extent that those childhood memories are something that are difficult to compete with. Intellectually, I can accept someone rating the Nolan films higher than the first two Superman movies.
Anyway, I really liked SR, but its faults drive me crazy about what could've been. It's kinda like the Superman version of Licence to Kill for me because LTK, like SR, is a movie I like a lot, but it's one of those movies that "gets me started".
I think it all boils down to lack of action for SR. I liked that it was set in the Donnerverse, but it had a case of the Superman IV's in that it tried to pay too homage to the first film, right down to the real estate scheme.
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Post by Kal-Ex on Jun 10, 2009 9:49:55 GMT -5
Bale's & Ledger's aura carried Batman into a different & darker kind of Entertainment , BUT this is simply the opposite of what a Superman movie should be like. SR tried- but it ultimately sucked -because of the obvious- the horrible toys R us costume, preppy jason schwarzman actor, confusing storyline, underage Lois Lane, ETC., StalkerMan Returns was just ridiculous.. sorry. I think a dark Batman movie works because the character is dark, he’s a bat, he lives in a cave, he act by night… and he fight the crime to revenge the death of is parents. Superman is the OPPOSITE, he is pure, the sun gives is powers, he is a symbol of hope. Making a darker Superman is a mistake. Maybe they can do a darker Metropolis, with a darker enemy but Superman has to stay strong, with a colorfull costume to contrast with the darkness of the world. He is the savior, he is the light!! So I prefer BB and TDK to SR. And I think the tone of STM was perfect. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 10, 2009 10:20:54 GMT -5
Great point. Being totally objective when it comes to films you love growing up with as a child is pretty tough.... though I have no problems going 'WHAT THE heck WAS I THINKING???' with movies like "Last Starfighter" that I thought was a gem when I was really young, but looking back at it, find it pretty blah and derivative. (So I guess I have some taste in still loving enough of STM and SII and being fine with it still.)
Luthor's real estate motivation + choice not to have a super-baddy weakened the film, I agree. It didn't bother me on many viewings, but over time, I can tell when I'm speed-searching through the Spacey scenes. Not Spacey's fault, just overboard homage at that part to the weaker part of STM as well.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 10, 2009 11:16:02 GMT -5
Yeah, if there's anything that's dated about STM is the Luthor campiness. Hackman did AWESOME. But I would've liked if Luthor had been more of a Blofeld type with his own organization.Miss Teschmacher said it herself, "An empire? This?"
Yet, this style was copied by Singer and this time, we had Parker Posey in place of Valerie Perrine. Now I know Posey has her fans, but to me, she was no replacement for Perrine, who was 20 billion times hotter IMO and a heck of a lot nicer to look at. Her playing an old school "broad" really appealed to me too. I found Parker Posey's aloofness a bit annoying, like a female Jar Jar.
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Post by EvilSupes on Jun 10, 2009 11:23:14 GMT -5
TDK isn't really a batman movie in my eyes which is why I place some of the other movies above it. It's a good movie, but it's more of an action movie about the Joker with Batman tagging along. ;D
Batman Begins is an awesome origin story. I really enjoyed seeing how Bruce became 'Batman' and I really liked how everything tied together such as the Scarecrow, Liam Neeson's character, Wayne Enterprises etc. It was also due and needed anyway, we already have a Superman origin but nobody knows the origin of Batman.
Superman Returns is a fantastic continuation of everything that makes Superman great, and it references the Donnerverse we love, while also creating its own - the best of both worlds in one. Easily for me the best Superman movie after STM.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 10, 2009 12:01:03 GMT -5
TDK isn't really a batman movie in my eyes which is why I place some of the other movies above it. It's a good movie, but it's more of an action movie about the Joker with Batman tagging along. ;D Nah, I disagree vehemently. It sounds like you're confusing TDK with B89  I thought TDK was the perfect Batman vs. Joker movie. I'm not a Batman expert or anything, but based on what I have read and heard from Batman fans, THIS---meaning TDK---was the perfect Batman vs. Joker movie. I don't see how TDK could've been more about Batman. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Jun 10, 2009 12:31:05 GMT -5
TDK isn't really a batman movie in my eyes which is why I place some of the other movies above it. It's a good movie, but it's more of an action movie about the Joker with Batman tagging along. ;D Batman Begins is an awesome origin story. I really enjoyed seeing how Bruce became 'Batman' and I really liked how everything tied together such as the Scarecrow, Liam Neeson's character, Wayne Enterprises etc. It was also due and needed anyway, we already have a Superman origin but nobody knows the origin of Batman.Superman Returns is a fantastic continuation of everything that makes Superman great, and it references the Donnerverse we love, while also creating its own - the best of both worlds in one. Easily for me the best Superman movie after STM. Yeah, I agree with most of what you said here, especially the bolded parts. In my opinion, Nolan doesn't quite know how to work with Batman himself, but he does a very good job with his villains. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 10, 2009 20:15:52 GMT -5
For the record...
STM > TDK > BB > SR > S2
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Post by stargazer01 on Jun 13, 2009 10:37:10 GMT -5
I must say that I'm pleased with the results in this poll; in other forums (comicbook fan-based) the result would be very one-sided, since a lot ot them consider SR an abomination of filmmaking, and BB one of the best films ever made. ;D
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Post by ShogunLogan on Jun 13, 2009 12:32:37 GMT -5
I must say that I'm pleased with the results in this poll; in other forums (comicbook fan-based) the result would be very one-sided, since a lot ot them consider SR an abomination of filmmaking, and BB one of the best films ever made. ;D You are pleased? You are on a message board dedicated to Superman and the movie featuring Superman is not winning. |
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Post by ye5man on Jun 13, 2009 13:11:49 GMT -5
If I was a massive fan of SR, I'd still acknowledge disappointment that its not global loved nor did it meet financial expectations.
and don't anyone BS me about how it made enough cash. If the film made the money it was supposed to, the sequel would be out right now. Instead it looks doomed to be an anomaly in the franchise.
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Post by stargazer01 on Jun 13, 2009 13:46:56 GMT -5
I must say that I'm pleased with the results in this poll; in other forums (comicbook fan-based) the result would be very one-sided, since a lot ot them consider SR an abomination of filmmaking, and BB one of the best films ever made. ;D You are pleased? You are on a message board dedicated to Superman and the movie featuring Superman is not winning. Like I said, the film is not well appreciated among some internet circles --comicbook forums-- and this same poll over there would look like something like this: SR-- 8 votes BB-- 45 votes It's obvious by now that a lot of comicbook fans didn't love the movie; they complain that Superman didn't punch anyone, about his 'bastard' son, about the "wrong" shades of colors in the suit, about the curl being on the wrong side, the S emblem being too small, that Lois was unlikeable and not spunky enough, etc... However, in places like this one and in other forums dedicated to films in general, people are a lot more open-minded. One proof is that those people chose SR as the best film of 2006 when the film first came out, and Brandon as Breakout Star of the year, just to name an example, www.totalfilm.com/features/review-of-the-year-and-total-film-readers-awardsAnd the film was also in many of the best list of 2006. So yeah, a lot of people liked the movie. |
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Post by ShogunLogan on Jun 13, 2009 14:00:20 GMT -5
I don't understand. You acknowledge that, in many circles SR is not as revered as BB. You also show proof of that. But your conclusion is that a lot of people like SR?
But of course people are more 'open-minded' here...it's a site dedicated to Superman!
And look at your site you quote...it gives SR 4 stars but Batman Begins 5 stars!
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Post by Jimbo on Jun 13, 2009 14:02:31 GMT -5
I think she's drawing a comparison between comic book fans on message boards and the general public. The results on this board are more in line with the general public.
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