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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 10, 2009 20:42:48 GMT -5
I'm aghast to find that some people actually like SR more than SII. Which is like telling me that you like Godfather III over Godfather II or Godfather I. Sure, Godfather III is underrated and I like it, but COME ON. It ain't better to I or II.
So I'm curious what the numbers will show.
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Post by MerM on Jun 10, 2009 20:47:14 GMT -5
I concur, SR's fantastic and all, but I love S2 more.
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Post by adam15 on Jun 10, 2009 20:51:00 GMT -5
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Jun 10, 2009 20:51:21 GMT -5
Sorry, but I prefer Returns. Though, in all fairness. I've never seen any of the television cuts of Superman II.
Personally, I find it difficult to get past the fact that II is the work of two very different directors. Maybe if I'd remained ignorant of who shot what, I'd enjoy the film more.
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Post by Legsy on Jun 10, 2009 22:10:39 GMT -5
SII, easily.
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jun 11, 2009 0:06:19 GMT -5
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Post by Shane on Jun 11, 2009 4:11:06 GMT -5
SR
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Post by ye5man on Jun 11, 2009 4:51:06 GMT -5
II is classic, SR is definitely not.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 11, 2009 6:27:18 GMT -5
The only reason I say S2, is because it's infuriating. I dislike the theatrical cut, and I certainly don't love the Donner cut. Maybe if I made my own cut, I'd feel differently.
It's just one huge missed opportunity, regardless of the director.
Now, sure, an argument can be made that the same can be said of SR. But SR, at the very least, has a consistent tone throughout.
They're both equally flawed, I guess. Just, lately, if I'm gonna watch one, I reach for SR.
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Post by SGB on Jun 11, 2009 6:40:08 GMT -5
SII by far.
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Post by SuperSnooper on Jun 11, 2009 6:53:41 GMT -5
Definite Superman II. Lester version. What's better than Superman II. A Superman 1 and 2 double bill at the Odeon!
Superman Returns is still aces though.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 11, 2009 7:31:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I never understand people who say they don't like Superman II less now because they found out about its turbulent production.
It's still the same kickass movie saw BEFORE we found out!
Sure, it would've been cool to have Brando and all, but it's still entertaining, action-packed and a worthy sequel to STM.
Like I said before, SR has a case of the Superman IV's---whereby it paid way too much homage to the first film.
SII is more of its own adventure than SR because it doesn't copy the first film and it has a kickass main villain(s) for Superman to compete with Lex on the ride. *THIS* is what Superman Returns SHOULD have had.
You know how I've always said that Superman III was a bad idea executed well, while Superman IV was a good idea executed badly?
Here's another one for you:
Considering their productions, I think it's a miracle that Superman II ended up being so good, but a mystery that Superman Returns wasn't better.
I mean, millions and millions of dollars...and no supervillains or one long memorable action scene aside from the New Krypton lifting and the airplane rescue? Millions and millions...for a drama? Set in real time?
I don't care what SII could have been, it was still awesome. But I do care about Superman IV and SR could've been because they had the potential to be much more. Because no matter what SII could or couldn't have been with Donner on board, the movie is still a winner and stands on its own.
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Post by adam15 on Jun 11, 2009 7:53:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I never understand people who say they don't like Superman II less now because they found out about its turbulent production. It's still the same kickass movie saw BEFORE we found out! Sure, it would've been cool to have Brando and all, but it's still entertaining, action-packed and a worthy sequel to STM. Like I said before, SR has a case of the Superman IV's---whereby it paid way too much homage to the first film. SII is more of its own adventure than SR because it doesn't copy the first film and it has a kickass main villain(s) for Superman to compete with Lex on the ride. *THIS* is what Superman Returns SHOULD have had. You know how I've always said that Superman III was a bad idea executed well, while Superman IV was a good idea executed badly? Here's another one for you: Considering their productions, I think it's a miracle that Superman II ended up being so good, but a mystery that Superman Returns wasn't better. I mean, millions and millions of dollars...and no supervillains or one long memorable action scene aside from the New Krypton lifting and the airplane rescue? Millions and millions...for a drama? Set in real time? I don't care what SII could have been, it was still awesome. But I do care about Superman IV and SR could've been because they had the potential to be much more. Because no matter what SII could or couldn't have been with Donner on board, the movie is still a winner and stands on its own. Exactly. I like the observation about how its a miracle that SII ened up as good as it was and a mystery as to why SR was as crappy as it was. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Jun 11, 2009 9:46:37 GMT -5
SR, by far.
SR & STM = great
SII = ok
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Post by EvilSupes on Jun 11, 2009 9:51:47 GMT -5
SR for me!!!
However:
SII > SII: RDC
I do think SII could be much better though, it just has this anti-climax feeling of what could've been every time I watch it.
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Post by EvilSupes on Jun 11, 2009 9:52:51 GMT -5
The only reason I say S2, is because it's infuriating. I dislike the theatrical cut, and I certainly don't love the Donner cut. Maybe if I made my own cut, I'd feel differently. It's just one huge missed opportunity, regardless of the director. Now, sure, an argument can be made that the same can be said of SR. But SR, at the very least, has a consistent tone throughout. They're both equally flawed, I guess. Just, lately, if I'm gonna watch one, I reach for SR. So true! |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 11, 2009 10:16:29 GMT -5
What's hilarious about those voting SR is that they complain that SII could've been better as if SR couldn't have been better itself.
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Post by Kal-Ex on Jun 11, 2009 10:25:33 GMT -5
I voted SII cause it was my favorite superman movie when I was a kid and the story is still amazing… I don’t care about the fact it’s the vision of two directors (even if I prefer the Donner vision)… for me the story is more important then the visual effects.
And you will think I’m crazy but I prefer watching SIII then SR. For me SR is a long boring movie.
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Post by EvilSupes on Jun 11, 2009 10:30:47 GMT -5
What's hilarious about those voting SR is that they complain that SII could've been better as if SR couldn't have been better itself. It's a matter of opinion dude. My opinion is, SII/RDC was disappointing in comparison with STM and that if Donner had been not booted it would've been so much better. While also Lester's direction wasn't bad just some of the choices were silly in my opinion. SR to me was more satisfying and overall I felt there wasn't a whole lot wrong with it which I did feel towards SII/RDC. |
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Post by Jimbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:35:45 GMT -5
I'll have to say Superman II. But that may be because I grew up with it. If I saw both movies fresh right now, I might go with Superman Returns.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 11, 2009 11:00:30 GMT -5
I'll have to say Superman II. But that may be because I grew up with it. If I saw both movies fresh right now, I might go with Superman Returns. The thing is, as Superman fans, if we do a STM, SII, SR marathon right now, I'd find it hard to believe people would prefer SR to SII. Why? Because it's too damn similar to the first film, so it lacks the freshness of the original. SII is just so much more original. There's more action, more romance and better acting in SII than in SR. I don't think there's a single performance in SR that is better than any performance in SII. I know I probably seem hardheaded on this issue and don't get me wrong, I like SR. But better than SII? I dunno, guys. It's like telling me Godfather III is better than the first two. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Jun 11, 2009 11:23:21 GMT -5
What's hilarious about those voting SR is that they complain that SII could've been better as if SR couldn't have been better itself. dude. My opinion is, SII/RDC was disappointing in comparison with STM and that if Donner had been not booted it would've been so much better. While also Lester's direction wasn't bad just some of the choices were silly in my opinion. SR to me was more satisfying and overall I felt there wasn't a whole lot wrong with it which I did feel towards SII/RDC.EXACTLY! It really is a matter of opinion AND taste. I really like all 3 Superman movies: STM, SII & SR (I don't count SIII & SIV; too much wrong in them, imo), but none of them is perfect or 'flawless', but what movie is? So, yes, I definitely have my gripes with ALL 3 of them. So, I go with the cringe factor, and hands down, SII makes ME cringe the most. |
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Post by Jimbo on Jun 11, 2009 11:28:02 GMT -5
So, I go with the cringe factor, and hands down, SII makes ME cringe the most. "You forgot your chan...whooooooaa-whoooaaaaaaa." "Your hair, what about mine?!" "You only SMELL strong!" ;D |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 11, 2009 11:37:02 GMT -5
The funny thing is that all that stuff was more entertaining than some parts of SR.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2009 11:43:23 GMT -5
Don't make a poll and balk at the results and act like people are out of their minds.
You can't ask a question, which "whatever" you like better, fully knowing every time someone says the answer YOU don't want to hear, you're going to rip on their opinion. That's just rude, man. Deal with it. Some people like Superman Returns more than Superman II. Maybe even STM.
And for the record, I voted for SUPERMAN RETURNS.
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