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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 12, 2011 11:29:13 GMT -5
If the RDC was always planned as 'straight to dvd'- it could have always been incredibly small.
Not exactly the same case, but with Mel Gibson's "Payback", there was a director's cut that came out years later (the original director shot the film, then with a bad preview response I believe, he was asked to change things- but he quit rather than do that, and a new director changed things throughout the film to make it lighter)....
- And in listening to the commentary was suprised to hear that there was an extremely TIGHT budget for the music. Granted, I don't believe the movie was nearly as old as SII & a lot of restorative things didn't need to happen & it didn't have Brando, but I would have thought at the minimum they could have afforded a new score-
So..... dunno, but there are clues that the 'straight to dvd' budgets in general may be pretty skimpy to begin with. If it was going to be re-released in theatres.... maybe they would have done more with it & at least given it a proper score...
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Post by atp on Feb 12, 2011 14:13:15 GMT -5
It's a real shame SR flopped, because otherwise the Donner Cut would have gotten a lot more funding.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 12, 2011 14:30:22 GMT -5
Maybe it's the reverse: it's a shame that the Donner Cut flopped, or SR could have gotten more funding.  |
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Post by jor-el76 on Apr 5, 2011 4:10:01 GMT -5
now we have the official news about the Blue ray Superman box set, i feel my-self like the President in Superman II.....
President "Selutron can you hear me?"
"where are you?"
"we will have a new BR box set, but i have hoped until now, for A Bluray Two part saga of Superman the movie and a new Donner's cut version with Selutron vision"
"this Box set will be the last word on Donner's movies?"
"Selutron, do you still trying to convince Warner about your vision? can i hope for the two part saga on bluray be produced near the new Snyder's Superman Opening next year?"
"Selutron, please let us know something"
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Post by Gandy on Apr 5, 2011 5:12:26 GMT -5
It's a real shame SR flopped, because otherwise the Donner Cut would have gotten a lot more funding. The Donner cut was already in advanced stages so I don't think SR's box office had anything to do with the budget. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 5, 2011 10:37:25 GMT -5
If the new Snyder film explodes at the box office (Who knows exactly how good/bad it'll be until it actually comes out), maybe it'll inspire WB to search out new Superman avenues at THAT time. On the flip side, two things come to mind: (1) if it's straight to dvd (and if it is actually okayed, it's unlikely it'll get a theatrical release), then it'll have a small budget (2) if it's a small budget, will it be TOO small to even allow Selutron to take stuff out of the archives and do a proper job w/it?  If nothing else, hopefully he's actually finished (as much as it can be with the footage available) his own cut, with the time that's passed anyhow. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 5, 2011 11:58:38 GMT -5
If nothing else, hopefully he's actually finished (as much as it can be with the footage available) his own cut, with the time that's passed anyhow. Dude, in the article posted like 3 years ago, he said he showed his proposed cut to the suits/higher ups. They saw the whole thing. He finished it, and it's probably been collecting dust on his shelf since. |
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Post by EvilSupes on Apr 5, 2011 15:08:28 GMT -5
Someday I hope we can see his cut in its entirety, in some form of another, but part of me also believes that now he has shown it to WB and now they are aware his cut, we may never EVER see it without their permission.  |
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 5, 2011 15:19:51 GMT -5
That's why, if you want to release a fan cut, you do it quietly and anonymously. But instead he got too big for his britches and wanted validation from WB.
Dumbass.
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Post by Jack Tripper on Apr 6, 2011 17:12:46 GMT -5
so what stopped him from just completing it and releasing it as a fan cut? did he want to get paid by WB?
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Post by Kamdan on Apr 7, 2011 0:04:39 GMT -5
I do think that's the deal or maybe he wants more access to the archive of Superman footage. I wish he could be like Adywan who is doing his own extensive special editions of the Star Wars for no pay.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 7, 2011 0:30:44 GMT -5
Fixing the film properly I'm sure would require more access to Superman footage and audio tracks than what was released on dvd. Is he asking for too much money? I don't know the guy, but I doubt it. I also doubt that he's in it thinking it's going to make him rich. Just from the clips he'd already done, seemed like far too much work for something that he thought MIGHT be a job at end of the day. Seemed like a labor of love. May 17th-2009 post at Superman Cinema: (Selutron's words) "....a few months ago I had a very positive meeting with two folks from Warner Home Video. I was there to make an in-person (this time) pitch for a Christopher Reeve "Superman Part I & II" ultimate epic DVD/ Blu-Ray release that might accompany any new Superman film. I was armed with the clips I had put together and a whole host of other materials and tried my best to underline precisely that new sense of "Americana" that this release could tap into. "Uplifting…Brando, Hackman, the Statue of Liberty…finishing the last 1970s epic that could stand alongside Star Wars…etc…etc," I raved enthusiastically, along with trying my best to show how fresh and exciting a release like this would be. They listened patiently, and dare I say with keen interest. During the "opening sequence" clip and several others, I talked as the snippets played explaining plot points and how I thought everything could now be tied up into a nice neat little two-part bundle. The final clip we watched was the proposed ending "You didn't post this on the internet, did you?" they asked a bit worried - "No, this is one of the selling points! This is a secret." I reassured them. Anyway, I came away feeling very confident, at least by the excitement I felt that those in the room had expressed towards the proposal. Sometimes a bit of confidence is all you need to make what seems impossible become possible." If this is the article you mentioned, then it's not 100% saying that he HAD completed it all--- but I read this as saying that he wanted to- for for a price (reasonable price or not, who knows?) Also, if he didn't have access to the raw stuff, then I doubt it was truly 'finished' the way he would have wanted it to be at that time. The youtube account he took down mentioned wanting WB to give him the assignment so that he could have access to it. He most likely completed a draft with what was available. But from the article bits above, it didn't sound like (to me) that it's a slam-dunk that it was completely finished. He had also previously put up a 'concept video' on youtube of pasting a Lois head onto a Superman shirt for the sequence where Lois is listening to Clark and Jorel talk. So, again, I could be wrong, but at the time that the article was released about the pitch, I didn't see anything to suggest it was fully done for presentation- add to that, again, his desire to have access to the vault keys to (maybe) undo much of the damage Thau did. Maybe Gandy knows for sure? |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 7, 2011 10:52:56 GMT -5
Alright well, sorry for jumping the gun CAM. it's been so long since that happened that I must've altered it in my mind and assumed he DID finish it. Either way, I had forgotten about the other clips he had posted on youtube and forgotten about the "pasted Lois head" scene. I only remember him changing the dialogue around between Supes and Jor-el, which proved to me that it was possible to make the scene work better. Instead of having those painfully long awkward moments of silence.
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Post by matt on Apr 7, 2011 11:04:33 GMT -5
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Post by atp on Apr 7, 2011 11:18:36 GMT -5
Selutron is not in the position to entertain questions from fans. Why not? Email has been around for years. And I hear there's this new idea called an internet forum where people can ask questions and discuss stuff. |
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Post by matt on Apr 7, 2011 11:26:04 GMT -5
Selutron is not in the position to entertain questions from fans. Why not? Email has been around for years. And I hear there's this new idea called an internet forum where people can ask questions and discuss stuff. You have to talk to his agent. ;D |
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 7, 2011 12:14:24 GMT -5
Like I said, he got too big for his britches.
Also not a good idea to visit the copyright holders of material you're infringing, and tell them how you can make a better movie than they can. He put a target on him if WB ever felt like issuing a cease & desist.
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Post by Jack Tripper on Apr 7, 2011 12:44:25 GMT -5
did anybody save the scenes he put on youtube? i haven't seen them in forever.
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 7, 2011 12:45:22 GMT -5
Some of the fan cutters did. I think CAM saved them.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 7, 2011 13:34:38 GMT -5
did anybody save the scenes he put on youtube? i haven't seen them in forever. There's a page on capedwonder.com's site with 9 or 10 of his videos. Some aren't there though. The Concorde scene opening he made in particular (although CAM has a rough copy of it. I plan on re-doing that scene myself since it's only a few shots of rotoscoping). There was his take on the de-powering scene as mentioned before. There were also some small little filler scenes he made. Let's also not forget his own new opening scene where he had a kid doing a v.o of the previous events of the first film to bring us up to speed (similar to the kid reading the comic book in the beginning of STM). However, this was probably the ONLY video that pretty much every agreed wasn't any good, and he took it down. Funny how he was open to criticism then... |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 8, 2011 0:02:56 GMT -5
I have the 'freebies' from Capedwonder & re-constructed (for the most part what I could) the Concorde scene from the dvds for my own home use. (the "Airport" dvds aren't remastered to begin with.) If he's trying to curry favor from fans who could support his cause, this kind of positioning only encourages fans to throw tomatos at him rather than petitioning to help the guy, if he doesn't really want to communicate with them. Love most of the stuff he's done, but I'm just sayin'- he could use better pr skills.....  |
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Post by EvilSupes on Apr 8, 2011 13:50:02 GMT -5
He also never let any of his work open to discussion, he just did it and that was that. I don't know what he was thinking if he wasn't open to or expecting people to offer their feedback. How could you not? Seems very closed minded towards fans. That#s why I am so on the fence with Selutron, as part of me is really for the work he has done but another part of me doesn't agree with his approach at all.
If he doesn't want to be any part of the superman community then that's his choice I guess.
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Post by lois on Apr 8, 2011 15:31:34 GMT -5
He also never let any of his work open to discussion, he just did it and that was that. I don't know what he was thinking if he wasn't open to or expecting people to offer their feedback. How could you not? Seems very closed minded towards fans. That#s why I am so on the fence with Selutron, as part of me is really for the work he has done but another part of me doesn't agree with his approach at all. If he doesn't want to be any part of the superman community then that's his choice I guess. Interesting to know and rather sad. Hope he changes his mind about that. I'd like to see his work too, but, you've got to be part of the Superman community to do work on a Superman film! Don't you all agree? |
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Post by Paul (ral) on Apr 8, 2011 18:46:57 GMT -5
Selutron's Superman II Cut? An ambitious fan cut by an ambitious fan cutter with ideas above his station.
Really like...WB are going to open their vaults of raw footage to some guy off the street? Not going to happen. Ever.
The idea of it sounds crazier than WB funding/marketing/releasing a fan edit as an "ultimate" version to correct all the "wrongs" of past endeavours?
It's one fan's idea of a concept and WB aren't going to wage on that being accepted by another bunch of fans with their own ideas.
Also WB is moving on now with a new vision...they will not waste time "updating" the old vision.
I have a message for Selutron:
I applaud your efforts thus far and the clips you have created are great - but if you have such a boner for your edit then make it with existing material and get it out there. If you don't have the time or don't think you will get the "reward" you deserve for doing that then just release your clips with "the ending" now and be done with it.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 8, 2011 21:48:06 GMT -5
I have a message for Selutron: I applaud your efforts thus far and the clips you have created are great - but if you have such a boner for your edit then make it with existing material and get it out there. If you don't have the time or don't think you will get the "reward" you deserve for doing that then just release your clips with "the ending" now and be done with it.  |
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