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Post by joey m on Apr 9, 2011 20:39:45 GMT -5
Well that software gets cheaper and easier every year. Some teenage kid in Ohio can do stuff now that only a pro could have done 6 years ago, so I'm sure someone out there will come up with something at least equal to whatever that mysterious stuff was.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 11, 2011 9:47:26 GMT -5
Well that software gets cheaper and easier every year. Some teenage kid in Ohio can do stuff now that only a pro could have done 6 years ago, so I'm sure someone out there will come up with something at least equal to whatever that mysterious stuff was. Stay tuned. I have a few things coming that I'm sure you'll all love. |
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Post by Gandy on Apr 15, 2011 14:23:43 GMT -5
He also never let any of his work open to discussion, he just did it and that was that. I don't know what he was thinking if he wasn't open to or expecting people to offer their feedback. How could you not? Seems very closed minded towards fans. That#s why I am so on the fence with Selutron, as part of me is really for the work he has done but another part of me doesn't agree with his approach at all. If he doesn't want to be any part of the superman community then that's his choice I guess. It's not close-mindedness, he simply can't entertain a million questions on his edit. He'd be here all day answering questions, and quite frankly, what's the point? Everyone has a different opinion. The difference between the fans and selutron is that he wants it to be an official release. Now, personally, I don't think it's ever going to happen. Donner was fired. He never got to complete it. The Donner cut is what it is. End of. Will he release his ending? When all hope is lost then I'm sure he'll have nothing to lose and just show it. But, while there's a minute chance he needs to keep the ending secret - it's the only weapon he has in his armory to get WB interested. As I said already, despite Mankiewicz's thumbs up, I don't think this will ever be released officially. It's not my film, it's Donner's. Also, I'm very jaded over the whole thing. I've already dedicated 14 years to the whole Superman thing, I mean what else is there to cover?  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 16, 2011 10:07:21 GMT -5
I think you (and he) might be underestimating fans' opinions. Donner surrounded himself with a cast and crew whose opinions he listened to (with the right to reject ideas from) to get the best ideas from. Maggie Gylennhall (sp?) said that she was suprised that Christopher Nolan was so open to ideas in "Dark Knight". I think if Selutron talked to the community, he wouldn't be bombarded with 'millions' of questions. Maybe if we were the Star Wars community, but fans of Superman II aren't in nearly the same numbers, and even if so- what exactly is the damage here? Heaven forbid someone's email is hit with too many emails! The best case scenario: He gets more support from the community (whose help he's claimed he's wanted) and - perhaps - even an idea or two that he might not have thought of, that might even improve his own cut (which we all know is impossible)  The worst case scenario: He gets a full mailbox of interested questions for a cut that's years old.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 16, 2011 10:16:02 GMT -5
 You've done a fantastic job with Superman Cinema, Gandy--- but I'm shocked to hear that statement. There are still so many elements from the films that haven't been found yet--- or that fans haven't had access to anywhere. Has storyboards (or bts photos of models or such) been found for the Metro battle for Donner's SII- or the original Houston scene? Are there recordings at all of table reads (if there were some) of the Donner films? But then again- it's whether or not the Donner cut made someone feel like there either was or wasn't a sense of resolution with its release. Your statement sounds like you feel that it had been resolved with its release, but to me, it only opened up more questions, not half of which because of how poorly it was edited, and calls up even more questions about what Donner would have done, what it would have looked like, etc. We have the Mankiewicz script available and some of the footage back, but without seeing the actual books about what was/wasn't shot or planned (again, perhaps storyboards that were drawn up)--- Michael Thau may know, but the rest of the world doesn't. But- granted - it might be just me that feels that way & everyone else is moving on. Very possible.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 16, 2011 10:45:40 GMT -5
But- granted - it might be just me that feels that way & everyone else is moving on. Very possible. Don't worry CAM. I still have things going with my cut. I can understand where everyone else is coming from though. It's been 4 and a half years since the DC was released, and with the exception of the Star Wars films, Superman 2 is the one that's been fancutted the most. Everyone has made their cuts that they're satisfied with, and thus have closure on the whole thing. You and I however, do not. We still wanna improve our cuts. I can't get any traction going on the fan edit message board with my cut for this very reason. As for Selutron, I agree with you. I don't think Sel would be bombarded with millions of questions. At the very least, they'd all be questions that he's entertained to himself a thousand times already. Why use scene 'X" instead of scene "Y"? for example. Or 'How did you create this effect"? Since Sel isn't going to speak up and chat with us, he could at least do us a favor and create an outline on why he chose which scenes, and how he accomplished the special effects. He's *kinda* done that to an extent in that in-depth interview he did years back. As for me, I don't think I'll ever find closure with this. I'm revamping my ending as we speak. I've gone back and put back in things I originally removed. I have entirely new credits to make, and i'm making my own "re-powered" scene so that we see Superman flying after he gets his powers back. I know I used that "no junkyard reveal" originally, but it doesn't satisfy me because he doesnt have the jacket on. Booshman tried to work something from this by adding the jacket, but it still doesn't look good enough. I'm going to have Superman fly through the roof like he did after Eve saved him in part 1. The real reason I'll never find closure though, is because of 2 things. 1) We'll never know how Donner would've finished it. This is something that will never be solved. 2)We don't know what else is still in the vaults. Like if there's a widescreen version of the RIC for example. This is something that CAN be found out eventually, but I doubt it. And now with the release of the Blu-ray editions, and talks of the theatrical of S2 finally getting the proper treatment it deserves, who knows what can be done. Also, even after I've re-vamped my fan cut and released it for everyone to see, I'm still gonna keep my own personal copy that keeps all the things I've added in (like the new scene I created with the "gauntlet" and "feed the babies" scenes put together). I'm actually gonna do my entire cut over from scratch, but with AE this time as I can do much more with it than the program I've been using. I'll be making entirely new opening credits as well, as I've grown tired of simply re-using the credits from part 1. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 16, 2011 21:33:53 GMT -5
Hey Tyler, glad that you haven't given up the torch, so to speak. I hear ya on the extra footage in the vaults. I want to see every shred! I'm SOOOO hoping that WB chooses to do something new to tie into Snyder's release--- (dvd quality widescreen STM and SII RIC please!) but if the release is December 2012, hopefully something is getting started NOW..... |
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 16, 2011 21:43:47 GMT -5
Guys, honestly, you cant really believe that WB is ever gonna release the padded for TV versions of these films on disc. Honestly.  Theres more of a chance of the earth turning into corned beef. Just saying. As far as Selutron goes, he should just leak the shit out there & be done with it. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 16, 2011 21:53:35 GMT -5
I actually was suprised as punch when WB decided to release the Superboy season 1 tv series or the Fleischer animations, when they were trying to tie everything close to SR. So..... they CAN if they want to, at probably not much cost- but the question mark I think always comes as- "Is there anyone in the right position to actually make a push for it?" With the Selutron cut, it only seemed to have (perhaps) Mank's blessing- not Donner's, not the Salkinds. With the tv cuts- I assume there'd be less legal problems. Assuming, only, though.... Do I believe it WILL happen? |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 16, 2011 21:54:04 GMT -5
Guys, honestly, you cant really believe that WB is ever gonna release the padded for TV versions of these films on disc. Honestly. Theres more of a chance of the earth turning into corned beef. Just saying. As far as Selutron goes, he should just leak the shit out there & be done with it. Yeah, like I said, very doubtful. I'm not holding my breath anymore. Hopefully the KCOP restoration over at capedwonder will be good. They're doing S2's RIC next. Definitely looking forward to that as well. As for Selutron, agreed. I think that if WB doesn't call him while the new Snyder film gears are turning, maybe he'll finally give up on this idea of his and just say "Fuck it. Here ya go guys", and release it for us. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 16, 2011 21:58:32 GMT -5
I saw the 'original' restored SII IRC bootlegs at conventions years ago, and- someone correct me if I'm wrong- weren't the bootlegs part of the impetus to get the Donner cut out there officially? (Or part of it?)
Thought I'd read that on the net somewhere, but it's been awhile.....
(But if it's true, wouldn't it be ironic if bootlegs end up spurring an official IRC dvd release? Would be nice....)
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 16, 2011 22:01:48 GMT -5
CAM, there is a BIG damned difference in releasing stuff that is official & that actually has an audience who will buy it (Like Superboy & the cartoons) versus a hacked up & padded down for TV version of a movie that has already been released multiple times already.
What is the audience for padded down TV versions of Superman movies? Like 100 people?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 16, 2011 22:18:10 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Apr 16, 2011 22:26:59 GMT -5
Yeah, like I said, very doubtful. I'm not holding my breath anymore. Hopefully the KCOP restoration over at capedwonder will be good. They're doing S2's RIC next. Definitely looking forward to that as well. As for Selutron, agreed. I think that if WB doesn't call him while the new Snyder film gears are turning, maybe he'll finally give up on this idea of his and just say "Fuck it. Here ya go guys", and release it for us. Where did you hear about another SII RIC, any details? |
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Post by atp on Apr 17, 2011 1:35:47 GMT -5
What is the audience for padded down TV versions of Superman movies? Like 100 people? Market research numbers can be found here. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 17, 2011 7:30:22 GMT -5
Ok, my bad.......200 ;D
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 17, 2011 9:14:31 GMT -5
What is the audience for padded down TV versions of Superman movies? Like 100 people? By "padded down for tv" do you mean "edited for television'? Like, the curse words are removed? Cuz I can assure you that none of the tv edits are there. I originally had the ABC cut of the film, which removed the line "I don't like your meat anyway". Thankfully the RIC keeps the theatrical scenes intact and switches to the RIC only when it's a new scene. Anyway, if WB could've met us halfway on this, they could've given us the rest of the RIC footage in widescreen as deleted scenes in the supplemental section of the new blu-ray disc. Similar to how we got some of the RIC footage in widescreen in the deleted scenes section of the Donner Cut. Seems like a fair compromise to me. heck they could've done the same for the KCOP on the supplemental section for STM. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 17, 2011 9:31:06 GMT -5
I'm talking about movies that had loads of stuff added to them that was never intended to be used. Like Brad & the gang driving around so long that it didn't really seem that amazing that Clark beat them home by walking. Like the subway chase being excruciatingly long. Stuff that was added in, not for artistic or alternate version purposes, but just to make them longer so that the TV stations could announce them as " extended". More than half of the added stuff has little to no value to the story. However, I'm glad that those fan cuts exist for the people who want to watch them. But, keeping up hope that WB would ever release such a version officially, is just plain silly.  However, it would be nice to have them as deleted scenes. But, as I said, there is little audience for it. |
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Post by Kamdan on Apr 17, 2011 12:28:34 GMT -5
It's already been done. It's what got us the Donner cut in the first place.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 17, 2011 15:42:30 GMT -5
I'm talking about movies that had loads of stuff added to them that was never intended to be used. Like Brad & the gang driving around so long that it didn't really seem that amazing that Clark beat them home by walking. Like the subway chase being excruciatingly long. Stuff that was added in, not for artistic or alternate version purposes, but just to make them longer so that the TV stations could announce them as " extended". More than half of the added stuff has little to no value to the story. However, I'm glad that those fan cuts exist for the people who want to watch them. But, keeping up hope that WB would ever release such a version officially, is just plain silly. However, it would be nice to have them as deleted scenes. But, as I said, there is little audience for it. I agree that most of the stuff in the KCOP didn't add anything. They were deleted for a reason. However, we're talking about S2, which Donner never finished. Anything that was deleted wasn't deleted for artistic reasons, but so that he wouldn't get credit. That being said, I'll give. Which scenes that Donner shot that weren't used but were re-instated for the tv versions DO you like? lol |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 17, 2011 15:43:25 GMT -5
It's already been done. It's what got us the Donner cut in the first place. Check the other message board. They're giving the RIC the same color correction treatment that they're giving the KCOP. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 17, 2011 15:52:19 GMT -5
Which scenes that Donner shot that weren't used but were re-instated for the tv versions DO you like? lol One & one only. The scene where the xk101 rocket evades Superman when he tries to catch it head on. That said, I'm not sitting through a "color corrected" pan & scan 3 hour long fancut just to see it. |
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Post by lois on Apr 17, 2011 17:12:29 GMT -5
I applaud your efforts thus far and the clips you have created are great - but if you have such a boner for your edit then make it with existing material and get it out there. If you don't have the time or don't think you will get the "reward" you deserve for doing that then just release your clips with "the ending" now and be done with it. Very well said! |
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Post by lois on Apr 17, 2011 17:15:26 GMT -5
It's already been done. It's what got us the Donner cut in the first place. Check the other message board. They're giving the RIC the same color correction treatment that they're giving the KCOP. Color correction treatment? Which message board is this posted on? |
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Post by lois on Apr 17, 2011 17:17:38 GMT -5
Which scenes that Donner shot that weren't used but were re-instated for the tv versions DO you like? lol One & one only. The scene where the xk101 rocket evades Superman when he tries to catch it head on. That said, I'm not sitting through a "color corrected" pan & scan 3 hour long fancut just to see it. I like that scene too. I also don't like color corrected films and pan & scan films either. |
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