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Post by SuperSnooper on Aug 19, 2009 14:42:51 GMT -5
I ask this because of in Superman II, when Superman is talking to Lois about how embarrassed he is when he is Clark and what a klutz he is. He's almost apologetic for being him.
Also in Superman the movie (restored 2000 cut) Superman asks Jo rel why he must keep with his secret identity, maybe it's the overwrought acting of a young Reeve, but he's almost hating the fact that he must remain as Clark, in my view of-course.
And in Superman III, when Superman has turned bad and becomes Clark and Supes in the junk yard, when evil Superman is thrashing Clark with the car part he says "You've gotten on my nerves for a LONG TIME!"
Such a hurtful thing to say, like something suppressed and finally released now all his inhibitions are let go.
Maybe Clark is the reason that he can't keep his relationship with Lois, the double life proves too much for her to handle.
Perhaps this question has been asked and back and forthed in this forum already, there's nothing new to the theory of Clark being how Superman sees us (Kill Bill vol 2).
Maybe we're all different people at home, at work, with friends, with lovers, with strangers. It's just this absolute dichotomy of being a superhero, they must stop and think occasionally, "why the heck do I have to bump into a door again to seem normal?"
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 19, 2009 16:00:26 GMT -5
the REAL clark is not metropolis clark.
superman finds metropolis clark to be a useful , but often frustrating role to play.
( it reminds me of the " trickster god " theme in mythology / Yahweh )
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 19, 2009 16:24:49 GMT -5
I like this idea.
Yeah, Metropolis Clark is not the real Clark. The real Kal-El/Clark is when he's a teen in Smallville and when he's speaking to Jor-El and all of Superman II after he's exposed.
It's rather interesting when you figure out that Reeve is playing four different sides to his character in Superman II.
Metropolis Clark - The early Metropolis scenes and most of Niagara
Kal-El - When Lois exposes him, when he talks to his mother/argues with his father, resenting his duty, and then later pleading to have a second chance (also when he does the memory kiss at the end, the "Clark" character is not to be found)
Superman - Whenever he's in the suit and in public
Depowered Clark - Don's Diner; he's as weak as any human, but still has the need to prove to himself and Lois that he's still "super" and not the weak bumbling Clark
I think SS is right in that Kal-El resents having to be Clark. Even if you remove the changes the Newmans made, Clark could not allow himself to let Lois know the truth and would not burden her with the knowledge that he is Clark and Superman. It's just something he's had to accept.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Aug 19, 2009 22:12:16 GMT -5
"Metropolis Clark" is Superman's hobby. He doesn't like him. He LOVES him. There are a number of ways he could have disguised the Clark character to deflect suspicion, but he CHOSE and CULTIVATED this one.
Superman doesn't write novels (although Clark might) or compose music in his spare time. He spends his spare time as Metropolis Clark. There's a reason for that.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 20, 2009 10:54:08 GMT -5
"Metropolis Clark" is Superman's hobby. He doesn't like him. He LOVES him. There are a number of ways he could have disguised the Clark character to deflect suspicion, but he CHOSE and CULTIVATED this one. Superman doesn't write novels (although Clark might) or compose music in his spare time. He spends his spare time as Metropolis Clark. There's a reason for that. nice  |
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Post by SuperSnooper on Aug 20, 2009 14:48:28 GMT -5
I get that Superman created Clark and takes care in what he's moulded, I'm just going by the movies, where in Superman doesn't he resent in Smallville not being able to show himself, to tear Brad apart, and when he takes his glasses off in Lois' apartment and straightens his back, it's as if he wants to ditch that persona, as if he's had enough of being the "nothing" in Lois' eyes.
The scene with his father in the Fortress of Solitude where he questions the need for his secret identity now he has revealed himself.
And that line in Superman III even if you do dismiss it as a hokey film, it's still part of the movie lore, when bad Superman says "You've been getting on my nerves for a long time!"
Yes, there are a number of ways he could have disguised himself, but he chose the disguise to try and draw attention away from himself, the most imbecilic characterization he could create, the bumbling, meek, mild mannered Clark. When he reveals his true self, he is chastised for having feelings of vanity. "You enjoyed it?" his father asks and he replies like a gibbering kid how much he felt alive when he caught that helicopter and shows off his powers and gets the girl!
But, it was really that line in Superman III that sparked my train of thought.
Nice poetic sentiment by the way, Valentine.
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