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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 20, 2009 12:55:14 GMT -5
Before I continue I want to say heck YES HE IS STILL RELEVANT TO THE WORLD, HE ALWAYS WILL BE! Why? Well, because we ALWAYS need HOPE and INSPIRATION, and that's what Superman is all about. There just isn't another hero like Superman. He is The archetypal superhero, the most awesome and wonderful hero ever existed, IMO. But that's me. Not every one in the world thinks the same way. I just read this post over at SHH and made me very sad and I just Can't agree with that mentality. Can you? Do you HONESTLY think Superman is still relevant to the world? For how long? Do you think this is it for Supes on the big screen? OK, here is the post, "Problem is Superman carries a lot of baggage even without Superman Returns. WB/DC has the lawsuit to deal with as well and it is more of a reality then it ever was.
WB is looking at this from all angles and one of them is that the character might not be as relevant as it once was due to Spider Man and Batman on the big screen. Some, not all execs, are afraid that they could make another one and it makes around the same amount of money as Returns, ie Hulk Syndrome.
There is more to worry about for these guys. They don't have the mentality, "If we build it, they will come." That was the thought process the last time around and look how that turned out.
Not to mention the very real possibility of the changing of the guard in the next couple of years. These are just some of the worries this group has.
...and it still made 200 Million domestic and 391 World Wide. Some executives think this means if they make another one that is tighter and amp up the action, it will score big. Others think that the character doesn't have enough life left in him."    |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 20, 2009 13:42:24 GMT -5
well , the absence of superman in a high-profile way ( along with the economy ) has depressed memorabilia prices somewhat. i am looking at ebay , for mego - corgi - kenner toys and they are quite affordable ( IF you have the petty cash  ). -------------------------------------------------------------------- superman may not always be " hip " , but he is a part of the americana-myth . 'gazer , go rewatch that doc singer produced , with the spacey narration - there has always been an ebb and flow to his " luster " . right now we are in a downturn , but i believe we will get through it. ...and frankly WB NOT making a movie for a while might actually help . as indecisive as they are , and with the huge success of iron man and TDK ....i may have to change my position on this. it could be , that a little more breathing room might be in order. yes, WB blew it - and singer should not have let routh be the only cheerleader , but the oppurtunity to build on SR has evaporated . but more on that in the other thread . as for the superman character - '' he'll always be around "  |
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Post by SuperSnooper on Aug 20, 2009 14:36:09 GMT -5
Superman aint hip? Didn't they say that in the 70s when they worried about making a superhero film to a cynical post Watergate audience? I think Reeve said it best when he said "Batman has a cool car, Spiderman can climb walls but Superman can fly", there isn't anyone who'd love to take to the sky in just two steps and a jump. Superman represents the alien in everyone, no matter how powerful one gets or how much they appear to be loved, there is that vulnerability in everyone from time to time, if they are living their lives to the full, if they are making the right decisions, are they using the best of their abilities. Superman is the pure embodiment of that idea (in a superhero sense), his innocence at being sent as a baby, a decision made by his father, left to his own devices really to discover his powers and decide whether to use them for good or bad. Superman is as relevent as the person telling the story. If we're shown special effect after special effect we get accustomed to that, if we're presented with violence on the news and in the movies we can get to the point where we shrug and forget about it. But if something within that makes us aware that we are seeing something different, then that is the magic of the character. I better stop before I turn into Bill Murray at the end of Scrooged. |
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Post by Legsy on Aug 20, 2009 15:55:30 GMT -5
Superman aint hip? Didn't they say that in the 70s when they worried about making a superhero film to a cynical post Watergate audience? I think Reeve said it best when he said "Batman has a cool car, Spiderman can climb walls but Superman can fly", there isn't anyone who'd love to take to the sky in just two steps and a jump. Superman represents the alien in everyone, no matter how powerful one gets or how much they appear to be loved, there is that vulnerability in everyone from time to time, if they are living their lives to the full, if they are making the right decisions, are they using the best of their abilities. Superman is the pure embodiment of that idea (in a superhero sense), his innocence at being sent as a baby, a decision made by his father, left to his own devices really to discover his powers and decide whether to use them for good or bad. Superman is as relevent as the person telling the story. If we're shown special effect after special effect we get accustomed to that, if we're presented with violence on the news and in the movies we can get to the point where we shrug and forget about it. But if something within that makes us aware that we are seeing something different, then that is the magic of the character. Well said! BRAVO! |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 20, 2009 16:53:55 GMT -5
Relevant..... is a pretty open-ended description.
Does relevance=significance? And to what degree, if so?
Does relevance=relatability?
If by relevance, you mean, is the character relatable and signficant enough now- then it might also be asked: to which age group, and for how long?
Just as the character changed repeatedly in the comics to try to appeal to the current (at the time) age group that bought comics..... the character is available in multiple versions to different age groups now.
Just as some kids go through a phase where following or being inspired by those in authority is might be considered 'uncool', a character who represents optimism and hope might seem irrelevant to them, maybe less so if that kid continues to see the world (and authority figures) as something that needs fighting, well into adulthood.
For example, I'd love to show the Superman Fleischer cartoons to a kid under ten.....but definitely not Superman Returns (too intense for them, but so would any of the Lord of the Rings movies, imo)--- but for a teen and above, I think Superman Returns would be fine.
What's nice is that Superman the character has so many different interpretations, I'd like to think that there's a version of Superman for almost anyone during any given generation....so, I guess my answer is that something about his character was appealing in the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's....up to now, and can continue to do so, indefinitely. (Despite some fans who feel the character can only survive the ages, looking like Tom Welling. ;p )
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 4:59:49 GMT -5
Gandy said it best in the other thread, but I'll paraphrase him: Superman will be relevant because he can generate cash. Even if the movie was considered by some to be a failure, look at how much Superman merchandise is out there. It's not all tied into the most recent movie. There are plenty of figures based on the JL cartoons, etc. A new animated movie is coming out. Smallville is still going somehow.
Superman has made money for somebody for nearly 100 years. WB will never completely give up on the character.
Pondering the relevance and justifying the character to ourselves doesn't mean anything to anyone other than ourselves. To the majority of the world, Superman is just another effects-laden, eye-candy movie to see in the summer. They can't tell you who directed the new one much less the 1978 original.
As far as Superman goes these days, S equals $.
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Post by ye5man on Aug 21, 2009 7:01:07 GMT -5
In a great film, Supes will be champ again.
That's all it will take. If he had done TDK business then we'd have a sequel out this year.
Because it underperformed, he's now dormant once more.
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Post by SupermanUF on Aug 21, 2009 23:47:15 GMT -5
If interest in Superman ever died down to the point of extinction, all they'd have to do is make Kingdom Come: The Movie.
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Post by EvilSupes on Aug 22, 2009 6:57:26 GMT -5
Well I hope you don't expect me to save you, 'cause I don't do that anymore.
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Post by Legsy on Aug 22, 2009 9:45:53 GMT -5
Well I hope you don't expect me to save you, 'cause I don't do that anymore. You horny Evil Kryptonian! |
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Post by EvilSupes on Aug 22, 2009 13:22:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2009 13:27:00 GMT -5
Superman will be relevant for as long as the world could use one.
So...always, I guess, in one way or the other.
...from time to time...
Dear oh dear...
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