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Post by ReeveIsSuperman on Oct 17, 2009 23:32:50 GMT -5
It's epic, all right. An epic failure to be exact. Perfectly said, The Poll speaks for itself. Superman The Movie was epic. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Oct 18, 2009 0:28:31 GMT -5
^Yeah a Poll with what 30 or so voters is hardly a definitive consensus on how the whole world felt about the movie. It's just some people's opinion, that's all.
Did you know that some of the professional film critics reviewed SR very positively and even called it the best Superman movie ever made?
No, of course you didn't.
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Post by Shane on Oct 18, 2009 4:10:08 GMT -5
gazer he wouldnt
he is a simple
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Post by ye5man on Oct 18, 2009 10:43:02 GMT -5
^Yeah a Poll with what 30 or so voters is hardly a definitive consensus on how the whole world felt about the movie. It's just some people's opinion, that's all. Did you know that some of the professional film critics reviewed SR very positively and even called it the best Superman movie ever made? Can you link these reviews? That, I would like to read. Besides, "professional" critics are just stating their opinion |
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Post by EvilSupes on Oct 18, 2009 11:37:05 GMT -5
I remember reading some of the reviews I think gazer is talking about. I can't remember where, but I'm definitely sure they exist. They were pretty good in depth ones as well. It was like a totaly different league to some of other comic book movie related reviews or should I even say 'movies' that were around at the time of SR.
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Post by ye5man on Oct 18, 2009 12:33:24 GMT -5
Link them - or they don't exist  |
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Post by EvilSupes on Oct 18, 2009 12:48:47 GMT -5
Bah, humbug!
No, really they do exist. Somewhere. Out there.
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Post by stargazer01 on Oct 18, 2009 13:43:00 GMT -5
^Yeah a Poll with what 30 or so voters is hardly a definitive consensus on how the whole world felt about the movie. It's just some people's opinion, that's all. Did you know that some of the professional film critics reviewed SR very positively and even called it the best Superman movie ever made? Can you link these reviews? That, I would like to read. Besides, "professional" critics are just stating their opinion Sure, here is one, www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=9751Not that it matters much or at all to you since it's just someone's opinion. An opinion I happen to agree with. |
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Post by ye5man on Oct 18, 2009 13:55:11 GMT -5
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Post by Paul (ral) on Oct 18, 2009 20:14:53 GMT -5
I just ordered SR on Blu-ray today. When sit down to watch the movie it will be the first time in a couple of years.
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Post by MerM on Oct 18, 2009 20:15:19 GMT -5
It's reviews like the one gazer posted that make me want to clobber the next guy who says "Stalkerman."
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Post by Paul (ral) on Oct 18, 2009 20:16:48 GMT -5
It's reviews like the one gazer posted that make me want to clobber the next guy who says "Stalkerman." Stalkerman?..............  Doh! |
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Post by MerM on Oct 18, 2009 20:20:27 GMT -5
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Post by MAVERICK on Oct 18, 2009 23:02:33 GMT -5
Actually, I agree with that. Bos was perfect for me. |
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Post by EvilSupes on Oct 19, 2009 0:40:36 GMT -5
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Post by Bobby M on Oct 19, 2009 11:01:41 GMT -5
Personally, I think that's a load of.........................no, I won't say it. It's too easy. I really am going to have to watch this film soon. The fact it still inspires heated debates three years after the event says a lot. As for the whole "epic" argument, all I can say is that it's epic in terms of length. Can't say any more because I have no clue about the film as a whole. Running time is often something people take into account when labelling a film "epic" and it was often one of my main criteria at one point. But something I learned on my degree is that there are other factors you can take into account with this, such as the scope of the movie, the story and themes, the production values, etc. So it can be tricky to define. I think one of the main things that makes STM epic for me is the whole "three act" structure it has going on, all of which are in direct contrast to each other. You have the ethereal nature of Krypton, the nostalgic touch present in Smallville and the action-packed bustle of Metropolis. That combined with its story and running time makes STM probably the definitive comic-book epic, in my opinion. And while I prefer Superman II, I don't think I'd call that an epic film because it's more of an action movie that doesn't quite have the scope of the first. STM is an origin story and an introduction to the character, while Superman II gets right down to business. Therefore, I enjoy Superman II more but I'd be less willing to label it an epic than I would the first film. "Epic" is such a subjective and open-ended term that it can often depend on personal perspective, I think. Like opinions on films in general. Some people think Superman Returns is one of the best films ever made, some detest it. Some are in the middle, I suppose. And it's always interesting to read opinions from every angle. It's hard to define what "epic" means from person to person, but it's resulted in a good discussion. |
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Post by ye5man on Oct 19, 2009 11:06:48 GMT -5
bum numbing doesn't automatically mean "epic". I agree with Bob, it has a lot to do with structure.
Not a lot seems to happen in SR, despite all the money splashed on screen. Better editing might have given it an epic feel.
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Post by EnriqueH on Oct 19, 2009 11:28:31 GMT -5
When a movie is epic to me, it usually means I felt like I had been through an adventure, just by watching the film. I call SII epic but because I grew up on the extended cut.
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Post by Bobby M on Oct 19, 2009 11:48:09 GMT -5
I would concur that extended cuts of Superman II do make it seem more epic, yes. A lot of that extra Donner footage in the RIC really does give it an added feeling of grandeur and wonder (take the additional scenes of the FOS).
Apologies for going off on a musical tangent, but I think this is a fitting analogy:
Many Zep fans cite the length of Stairway To Heaven as the main reason that it’s an epic piece of music. But, for me, the running time of that track is some way down the list of reasons that I consider it to be an epic. In my opinion, it’s more about the contrasting styles that it shifts through, the lyrical themes, the musical ground it covers, the production and the general vibe of the piece. Yes, length comes into it, but it’s nowhere near the primary reason it’s an epic song. The fact is that when that track was released (1971), side-long suites of music that lasted 25 minutes were quite common, so Stairway actually seems somewhat succinct in comparison. I think when it was played live the running time became more of a factor in making it epic, as it could last anything up to fifteen minutes in concert. But even then it was still the style, structure and overall composition that made it epic, rather than how long it went on for.
I reckon films can be seen in a similar way. The knee-jerk reaction a lot of people have when defining an epic movie is to say that it is so because it runs for two and a half hours or more. I think it’s often a lot more complex than that and many other factors have to be taken into account.
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Post by EnriqueH on Oct 19, 2009 12:28:32 GMT -5
I agree 100 %
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Post by Kal-Ex on Oct 19, 2009 14:45:49 GMT -5
The knee-jerk reaction a lot of people have when defining an epic movie is to say that it is so because it runs for two and a half hours or more. I think it’s often a lot more complex than that and many other factors have to be taken into account. I’m agree with you it’s not the length of a movie that make it epic. But maybe it’s the length of the action. I mean, how long last the action of SR, from the first Luthor scene to Superman’s talking to his son at the end? one year? 6 month? 3 weeks? We don’t know but it’s a short period of time. STM begins on Krypton with a baby Kal-el and last for over 30 years. And, like others said, the fact that STM was in 3 distinctive parts helps making it an epic movie. Also STM was the story of Superman, he was the main character but in SR, it’s a little bit confusing. We don’t know if it’s a story about Superman, about Loïs, about her son… I think it doesn’t help to make it epic. So I voted not really |
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Post by ReeveIsSuperman on Oct 20, 2009 1:13:15 GMT -5
^Yeah a Poll with what 30 or so voters is hardly a definitive consensus on how the whole world felt about the movie. It's just some people's opinion, that's all. Did you know that some of the professional film critics reviewed SR very positively and even called it the best Superman movie ever made? No, of course you didn't. 77% Have Said NO. You need the actual 'Superman'-Christopher Reeve for it to be an epic.  |
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Post by Jimbo on Oct 20, 2009 1:19:44 GMT -5
Correction: 77% said not really.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 20, 2009 1:33:03 GMT -5
Professional movie critics on one hand are simply opinions of another person- BUT: Generally- * A professional movie critic is over 18 years of age (something that can't always be said of others) and has had SOME life experience. * A professional movie critic has seen a LOT of movies, (good and bad), so that there's at least the feeling that whatever the person's bias is, it's not from just having seen one or two films. * A professional movie critic (at a reputable news source) usually can express himself/herself intelligently enough that a publisher or editor would feel like their review is worth paying them for. Ok--- TIME magazine (one of the biggest news magazines out there) LOVED it and called it superb: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1205367-1,00.html NEWSWEEK magazine (one of the other biggest news magazines out there--- check any Safeway store or 7-11 if you live in the U.S.) called it a "gorgeously crafted epic" www.newsweek.com/id/52460There we go. |
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Post by ye5man on Oct 20, 2009 3:34:38 GMT -5
There we go.
2 review you happened to agree with.
I'm over 18, had lots of life experience and watched lots of bad films, and can write intelligently enough (when I want to)
and I still think SR is bloated, indulgent and underwhelming.
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