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Post by Metallo on Jan 4, 2012 12:21:32 GMT -5
Never seen the Island so I can't comment. Bad Boys is fun but its typical buddy cop stuff. Armageddon I just found to be a popcorn film. Pearl Harbor was a joke. A story like that should not be told by some style over substance popcorn director like Bay.
I give most of the credit for the Rock to Connery and Cage and the rest of the cast. The story was probably slightly more complex than your usual Bay film. Launching an ex military now mercenary attack from Alcatraz was...different. Connerys character is a thinly veiled reference to his past as Bond.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 4, 2012 13:50:29 GMT -5
Definitely Connery (as an unofficial Bond character) & Cage in an ok script that exploited their chemistry- Cage as the insecure regular joe dependent upon/ opposite to Connery's cool guy- plus a lot of great bits for supporting character actors (Ed Harris, Tony Todd, and Michael Beihn in particular) - plus Hans Zimmer's/Nick Glennie-Smith's score - --- but with Connery to anchor it in some dignity and class (a 'macho' movie with a sense of humor).... made it a perfect storm for a heckuva fun ride. Minus those? Then you get "Transformers"....minus the big robots.  |
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 10, 2012 1:30:57 GMT -5
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Post by Kamdan on Jan 10, 2012 23:19:55 GMT -5
What he's talking about sounds great. Too bad the actors and director couldn't sell that point to me in an effective manner. This type of movie doesn't work with the main actors being in their 20's, especially with Bosworth passing off as a teenager. The whole "Have you ever met someone" exchange coming from her sounds like it's from a teen sex comedy. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 11, 2012 1:25:49 GMT -5
Saw this in the comments of that article--- A link to this article that interviewed Tarantino. It's not news that he wanted to do a 20-page review, but I don't recall that out of the movies that year, he chose Bryan Singer as best director for 2006 for SR: www.zimbio.com/Quentin+Tarantino/articles/262/Quentin+Tarantino+reveals+love+Bryan+Singer"BRYAN SINGER'S 2006 Superman Returns was a film that ended up polarising the fan base, underperforming at the box office and paralysing the Superman franchise into a state of uncertainty. But the movie has at least one major fan - and it's the filmmaker Quentin Tarantino. Tarantino has revealed that he would give a best director award to Singer for his work on the film, which paid homage to the earlier Superman movies by Richard Donner but introduced controversial new elements like Superman's son and a new partner for Lois Lane. Speaking to the New York Times, Tarantino said: "There was one year when I visited Cannes, and I was so caught up in the spirit that I picked 12 movies that I had never seen from all different countries and I watched them and did my own little awards thing. He continued: "Can I tell you the movie that won? Perfume by Tom Tykwer. Perfume won my own little Cannes Film Festival." And asked who won best director, he revealed: "Bryan Singer for Superman Returns. I am a big fan of Returns. I'm working on what is now a 20-page review of that movie, and I'm not done yet." Tarantino is never one to adhere to convention or mainstream formula so his love of Superman Returns is probably not as surprising as it may sound. Unfortunately, the film is so far off the beaten track of expectation and so much a personal vision of the director that it never led to a sequel and Singer is unlikely to helm any further Superman films. Tarantino's latest film Inglourious Basterds will premiere at this year's Cannes." |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 11, 2012 1:33:50 GMT -5
Aside: Rather than waiting for his 20 page review, would rather Tarantino just do the commentary for a new re-edit for SR with the deleted stuff put back in.... (including stuff we haven't seen on the bluray but heard about)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 3:22:42 GMT -5
HOLY fuck, that's a brilliant idea. I'd love that.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 11, 2012 14:08:59 GMT -5
Thanks, Kev. I would, too.... Would save Tarantino a heckuva lot more time over the years if he just sat down in a booth & recorded a commentary once, rather than sit on that project for years. (Assuming the 20-page review never was completed. If it was, truly odd that he wouldn't want to leak it online to share it to the world, or sell it as a 'mini' e-book).
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Post by Metallo on Jan 13, 2012 11:10:11 GMT -5
Id love to see that but much like everything else QT does its going to take him 10 years to actually make it happen.  |
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Post by cypher85 on Jan 13, 2012 12:41:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm still waiting for Kill Bill: The whole bloody affair.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 13, 2012 15:04:37 GMT -5
Is that the edited together version of Vol I and II? He's been promising that for years. I don't know why thats taking so long.
Hopefully that SEQUEL he's talked about for years happens on time. In a couple of years it would be the right time. Vernita Green's daughter should be all grown up by that point.
Still waiting on that Vega Bros movie too, QT ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 13, 2012 15:07:34 GMT -5
Didn't his editor/collaborator Sally Menke die last year? If so, that would explain a lot....
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Post by cypher85 on Jan 13, 2012 15:11:34 GMT -5
yeah it is the edited together version. And it has actually been screened
from /Film
"The print, which was the exact one that screened at Cannes – complete with French subtitles – played from March 27 (Tarantino’s birthday) through April 7 to mostly sold out audiences. After being out of town for the majority of the run, I was finally able to see the film on its final evening and it was a near perfect movie going experience. Four plus hours of bliss that make Kill Bill better than you ever thought it could be.
After the jump, we’ll discuss the changes and how those changes improve the original theatrical releases.
The film, complete with intermission, runs 215 minutes. Right off the bat, there’s a major change as the Klingon proverb has been replaced by a dedication to filmmaker Kinji Fukasaku. By removing the quote, it immediately makes it obvious that, because this is one huge film instead of two very different ones, Kill Bill isn’t solely about revenge for the sake of revenge anymore.
From there, the movie is identical all the way up until the O-Ren Ishii anime sequence. Because this is the print that showed at Cannes several years back, it does not include the extended anime sequence that Tarantino has hinted at before. It does, however, add a few more violent shots that were probably cut to get an R-rating in the United States, such as the spilling intestines of pedophile yakuza boss Matsumoto.
The House of Blue Leaves battle is now completely visualized in blood-drenched color and the shot of The Bride blinking to turn the color back on has been removed. There are also several different angles and gory shots added into the sequence including a brief, earlier encounter with the young boy The Bride ends up spanking with her sword. With that addition, that second encounter pays off better.
During the final scene, the wicked Sofie Fatale loses her other arm on camera and instead of the film ending on Bill saying “Is she aware her daughter is still alive?” it ends on The Bride, over the trunk, saying “They’ll all be as dead as O-Ren” before cutting to a musical interlude for intermission. Removing that final cliffhanger from the movie is the most significant change.
Volume 2 doesn’t have any titles or the direct address introduction, that’s all been cut out. Instead we begin right at the beginning of Chapter 6, Massacre at Two Pines, and from there the film is totally the same as the original theatrical cut. However, now that Bill hasn’t dropped the huge news that The Bride’s daughter is alive at the end of Volume 1, the whole film feels different. All of the dramatic irony is gone. Even though we’ve seen Volume 1 before, just looking at The Whole Bloody Affair on its own and forgetting what we already know, once The Bride gets to Bill and it’s revealed that her daughter, B.B., is still alive, we’re as surprised as she is.
Holding back that emotional reveal until the last possible moment, as is the case in this version, is a vast improvement from the original releases where we knew she’d eventually find out. While all of the murders were always motivated by revenge, they felt a little softer knowing The Bride would eventually be encountering her daughter. Her daughter, after all, is the reason why she stopped killing and left Bill in the first place and it was her death that largely motivated the killing spree. So when we the audience, simultaneously with the Bride, are slammed with B.B. actually being alive, an iron curtain or morality also slams down on us. Would The Bride have tried to kill all of the other assassins if she knew B.B. was alive? Should Bill remain around as the father? These questions and much more give the film gravitas it never had before.
While that reveal changes how the finale of the film feels, everything else is aesthetically the same. However, the extended end credits montage is much cooler now because instead of seeing characters you saw a year ago, you saw them just a few hours ago in the same sitting.
I must say, we’re spoiled here in Los Angeles. After almost a decade of dreaming about seeing Kill Bill as one movie, to actually be able to do it, and for it to be this special print with that awesome Tyler Stout poster made, it was truly memorable. I’d always preferred the action of Volume 1 to the talking of Volume 2 but now, after watching both films together as one, it’s impossible to think of Kill Bill as anything other than one film. One masterful film that rivals Pulp Fiction as Tarantino’s best.
Hopefully, eventually, Tarantino will get this cut, complete with the new animation sequence, released on Blu-ray and everyone will be able to see The Whole Bloody Affair as it was originally intended. If not, it would be a sin because this is the definitive version of Kill Bill and the minor changes make such a huge difference."
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jan 13, 2012 19:33:14 GMT -5
The japanese version of vol 1 has the crazy 88 fight scene in full colour...so it be great to finally see it.
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Post by Olly H 82 on Jan 17, 2012 7:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 20, 2012 5:04:40 GMT -5
Someone posted this on twitter: twitter.com/#!/BADASSDESTROYA/status/160265594590085120/photo/1 BADASSDESTROYA Wait, What? Cut this straight out of The Radio Times. @brandonjrouth best superman yet! pic.twitter.com/FwDTAFeCcool BTW, Where is MAV? Miss ya, buddy! Happy new year!  |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 25, 2012 20:33:04 GMT -5
 well this is neat, AMC (right this moment) is broadcasting "superman returns" , normally - hate watching films on tv- especially if i've seen it a hundred times- but AMC has created their own text-trivia-commentary track for the movie! it's not bad actually, def made for casual audiences. btw, i knew "EL" was the ancient semitic word for the chief/father of the caananite gods (every other bible name has "el" in it) but i'm reading that kal-el is based on a hebrew word for "voice of god".... for a tv version it's not too bad an edit. streamlined which should please many.
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Post by MAVERICK on Jan 27, 2012 10:34:53 GMT -5
BTW, Where is MAV? Miss ya, buddy! Happy new year!  |
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Post by Metallo on Jan 27, 2012 10:48:38 GMT -5
well this is neat, AMC (right this moment) is broadcasting "superman returns" , normally - hate watching films on tv- especially if i've seen it a hundred times- but AMC has created their own text-trivia-commentary track for the movie! it's not bad actually, def made for casual audiences. btw, i knew "EL" was the ancient semitic word for the chief/father of the caananite gods (every other bible name has "el" in it) but i'm reading that kal-el is based on a hebrew word for "voice of god".... for a tv version it's not too bad an edit. streamlined which should please many. Every once in a while a TV edit will do something interesting. I remember years ago I watched Daredevil on FX (I think) and I kept thinking something was odd about the film. Then I realize it was a combination of the theatrical and directors cuts into this new third cut of the film. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jan 27, 2012 10:54:44 GMT -5
well this is neat, AMC (right this moment) is broadcasting "superman returns" , normally - hate watching films on tv- especially if i've seen it a hundred times- but AMC has created their own text-trivia-commentary track for the movie! it's not bad actually, def made for casual audiences. btw, i knew "EL" was the ancient semitic word for the chief/father of the caananite gods (every other bible name has "el" in it) but i'm reading that kal-el is based on a hebrew word for "voice of god".... for a tv version it's not too bad an edit. streamlined which should please many. Every once in a while a TV edit will do something interesting. I remember years ago I watched Daredevil on FX (I think) and I kept thinking something was odd about the film. Then I realize it was a combination of the theatrical and directors cuts into this new third cut of the film. Someone should be recording this!!!! This may end up being the "SII ABC CUT" for today's kids. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 27, 2012 12:08:18 GMT -5
Theoretically, it could have been a really nice edit.
Considering all the competition from being able to watch a film on dvd, online, whatnot--- I'm surprised that tv channels pay all that much for the rights to show anything at this point- you'd think that they'd all try to do something special for their tv airing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 15:47:39 GMT -5
I was thinking about Superman Returns the other day, and you know what I think it could've used? Quips. They didn't have to go full-on Peter Parker with it, but it would have been nice if the script had taken advantage of Routh's comedic ability- because he definitely has it. What about... BANK ROBBER shoots SUPERMAN in the eye. The bullet falls harmlessly to the ground.
Long pause.
SUPERMAN: I hope you know- there's a fine for littering.
I'm not saying that's a great line or anything, but imagine how well a good quip would have played there. It's little touches like that that could have brought some much-needed levity to the film. Outside of Huntington's Jimmy Olsen, there wasn't much light-hearted humor to be found. Otis was not missed, though. |
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Post by Metallo on Jan 28, 2012 16:31:49 GMT -5
Every once in a while a TV edit will do something interesting. I remember years ago I watched Daredevil on FX (I think) and I kept thinking something was odd about the film. Then I realize it was a combination of the theatrical and directors cuts into this new third cut of the film. Someone should be recording this!!!! This may end up being the "SII ABC CUT" for today's kids. ;D Funny. I'm sure it'll turn up on tv again. I was thinking about Superman Returns the other day, and you know what I think it could've used? Quips. They didn't have to go full-on Peter Parker with it, but it would have been nice if the script had taken advantage of Routh's comedic ability- because he definitely has it. What about... BANK ROBBER shoots SUPERMAN in the eye. The bullet falls harmlessly to the ground.
Long pause.
SUPERMAN: I hope you know- there's a fine for littering.
I'm not saying that's a great line or anything, but imagine how well a good quip would have played there. It's little touches like that that could have brought some much-needed levity to the film. Outside of Huntington's Jimmy Olsen, there wasn't much light-hearted humor to be found. Otis was not missed, though. Eh...I think that would have been too hokey. I think Routh could have used a bit more humor in his performance but the bullet to the eye scene ended perfectly with the "seriously?" look he gives the guy. I think a joke would have been lame. He could have used a one liner or two more when he finally meets Luthor again before things get really serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 19:47:28 GMT -5
Would it have been any hokier than "You really shouldn't smoke," or "Don't thank me, warden," or "Statistically speaking," or "Bad vibrations?" A quip during that moment would have been right in line with the tone of the Reeve films, which is what I thought they were going for.  It's anecdotal evidence, but the look alone fell flat with the 3 audiences I watched SR with. That bit might have worked with someone more physically imposing, but Routh (though good in many other ways) wasn't the most convincing badass around. See Iron Man (the scene with the tank) for a similar, more effective version of that joke. |
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Post by ye5man on Jan 28, 2012 20:04:52 GMT -5
That bullet scene worked great in the trailer, but I was disappointed in the actual film.
The film definitely needed some humour to balance out the misery. Jimmy Olsen wasn't amusing to me, sadly.
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