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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 20, 2010 1:59:36 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsZge2TNWpE&feature=related ADORE this scene. So beautiful and moving. It feels so real, IMO. But this particular vid is too dark.. could someone here please help me find this same scene but one where the picture looks a little brighter/clearer, you know. Can't really appreciate all of Superman's facial expressions. Or maybe someone could upload it on youtube for me, pretty please.
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Post by MerM on Feb 20, 2010 2:24:42 GMT -5
I still think it's a poignant scene - and clever on Singer and the writers' part, brings the series full circle. And now all that will be thrown away...
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 20, 2010 2:33:59 GMT -5
On a non-calibrated TV, that's how dark that scene looks naturally.
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Post by atp on Feb 20, 2010 4:11:57 GMT -5
I wish Tim Burton had directed SR. It would have been brighter.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 20, 2010 10:42:25 GMT -5
While ultimately, I'm not a fan of the Jason story, and won't miss him at all in future films...I love this scene. I thought it was classy, Routh is terrific, and it's a nice way to end things.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 22, 2010 2:33:32 GMT -5
I think it would have been nice IF that was the intent, without loose ends, like Richard White not knowing who's kid it is. One friend feels that the scene with Richard and Lois in the car in front of the hospital is played in a way that Richard KNOWS that Jason is Supes' kid--- and that Lois has chosen Richard as the adoptive father--- If that's so, it would have been nice to have seen Richard be there slightly beforehand in that scene and get the air cleared in a scene about who's kid it is and who's ok with that, if the intent is that Superman is a guardian/father figure to the world, not just to his son- and that Richard voluntarily becomes the role of foster father from that point on. But..... There's still that 'official announcement' that --- would be greatly crazy if---- MOS was a 'greenlit' project after all and the Richard White/Jason Lane(?)/Lois/Superman relationships get sorted out there, to pay off this situation with these characters a little more definitively. ((At this point, with all the internet craziness, WHO REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SUPERMAN SEQUEL? ? ;p ))
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 22, 2010 12:13:00 GMT -5
I feel that Richard realized Jason was Supes' kid before that; he was already suspicious about the real nature of Lois and Supes relationship ("were you in love with him?"), and then the way she acted towards Supes when they rescued him from drowning and her concern for his life on the sea plane ("I have to go back", "but you're hurt!") were very telling. Poor Richard, he was basically being a witness of some lovers farawell. Ouch! I think that was the moment when he connected the dots. And of course, I'm of the idea that Richard always knew the kid wasn't his, but he loved her so that wanted to marry her and give her child his name. Unfortunately for him, she didn't seem that excited about marrying him. She was still pining/waiting for the return of her true love: Superman.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 22, 2010 13:50:04 GMT -5
I think the thing that I loved the most about SR is that it was trying to make a story about Superman that COUNTED- by having the child, the story had put its foot down on adding something to the mythology that couldn't be easily forgotten about in a sequel- but had to be more/less dealt with.
I imagine that Singer either was going to kill off Richard..... OR..... the new chapter in the life of Superman was that he would have to learn to continue for the rest of his life without being able to be in a relationship with Lois, (stepping aside for Richard to fill his shoes) being loved but never being able to return to Lois for a nobler good.
A 'tragic but not too tragic' love story in a way, which I would have been fine with. Both Lois and Supes go with Richard as the best man to be Jason's earth father and husband.
Self-sacrifice for the greater good has kind of been deemed 'uncool', but I think it fits for mythical characters, especially for Superman and Lois, in her way (though she should marry Richard if that's the case, would only be right now that she knows for sure- or let him go- ..... I knew of a friend who had a 'true love', but married the nice guy in the long run, and it was an interesting perspective on love and committment that I thought SR hinted at).
It's sort of borrowing an idea from the movie "Always", where the main guy voluntarily lets go of his true love for the greater good in the long run--- so, it's a higher love because it's more painful in that you can't get anything back, except knowing that you're doing the right thing selflessly.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 22, 2010 14:37:07 GMT -5
On a lighter note.... I'm so glad Richard Lester (for many reasons) never directed "Superman Returns". Otherwise, the lines would be: "the Son becomes the Mother, and the Mother.... the son." Somehow, (with all due respect to Lara and Susannah York), it just SOUNDS weird.
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Post by ShogunLogan on Feb 22, 2010 17:03:01 GMT -5
I am NOT a fan of Jason being introduced...for a couple of reasons, but primarily....(please correct me if I am wrong):
-Lois does not know that Jason is Superman's child, correct? I mean, she has no recollection of them having sex, correct? If so, once she discovers, or even thinks, that Jason is Supes kid...how will this (or has this) be explained to her?
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 22, 2010 17:25:15 GMT -5
I think she definitely knows; I remember Singer said that they had other intimate encouters after THAT one from Supes II. The love was just too strong and they couldn't resist I guess. ;D She remembers perfectly how Jason was conceived.
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Post by ShogunLogan on Feb 22, 2010 17:26:59 GMT -5
Alright...Singer said something about it then...too bad nothing in the movies dictated such an occurance.
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 22, 2010 17:28:19 GMT -5
He --and the writers too-- said that it was a vague sequel.
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Post by ShogunLogan on Feb 22, 2010 17:32:11 GMT -5
I think she definitely knows; I remember Singer said that they had other intimate encouters after THAT one from Supes II. The love was just too strong and they couldn't resist I guess. ;D Waitaminute...this was after the mind erase kiss?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 22, 2010 19:33:08 GMT -5
I thought that the implication that Supes/Lois slept around more than that ONE time was ok....BUT....if that was the case, I did think it was (and still think it is) odd that Superman wouldn't feel an obligation to reveal his identity to her. That part made me feel a little uncomfortable and a little dishonest....it's one thing to keep the secret identity from a coworker/friend, but to hide it from someone who's almost like a spouse (& who one's sleeping with) felt a little uncomfortable.
As much as I love SR, even I think that they could improve upon the 'vague sequel' contradictions and questions that come up in SR-- or could have, if MOS were to have happened.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 22, 2010 19:59:13 GMT -5
I think the whole "vague history" thing, not knowing what's considered canon anymore and what's to be ignored or glossed over, leads me to want a clean slate. When things get confusing, it's time to start over.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 22, 2010 22:56:57 GMT -5
I think it's not a bad idea....BUT not at the expense of Singer and Routh. So long as the two of them keep wanting to work on Superman, (and Routh is still young enough to play Supes), I'm fine with a little ambiguity. Having said that, yeah, I would have been fine with a LESS vague continuity. But at least there wasn't any turning back time this time....
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 22, 2010 23:54:34 GMT -5
I thought that the implication that Supes/Lois slept around more than that ONE time was ok....BUT....if that was the case, I did think it was (and still think it is) odd that Superman wouldn't feel an obligation to reveal his identity to her. That part made me feel a little uncomfortable and a little dishonest.... it's one thing to keep the secret identity from a coworker/friend, but to hide it from someone who's almost like a spouse (& who one's sleeping with) felt a little uncomfortable.As much as I love SR, even I think that they could improve upon the 'vague sequel' contradictions and questions that come up in SR-- or could have, if MOS were to have happened. Well, I see it this way, maybe Superman thought that Lois 'couldn't handle the truth' just yet, or maybe never; she couldn't in Superman II after all. Also, Supes, in the Donner universe, is The real identity. He's much closer to Kal-El than to Metropolis Clark. So, she was with the real person. I feel, however, that if a SR sequel had happened, he would finally had to tell her the truth. Especially because of Jason. I'm also sure that this time around she'd be more prepared and mature to finally 'handle the truth'. Oh, what could have been.... that reveal could have been Awesome! yes
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Post by ye5man on Feb 23, 2010 5:26:52 GMT -5
Surely she ask him when it happened? Then he'd explain.
Wait a minute, wasn't SR written by a couple of kids?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 23, 2010 15:29:08 GMT -5
Agreed! Here's (again) hoping that Singer does reveal at some point (via comics or SOMETHING) details about what he would have done in a sequel..... ah well....*sigh*
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 23, 2010 16:16:51 GMT -5
Agreed *sniff* Aww, sweet. Iconic.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 23, 2010 16:18:00 GMT -5
Those shots are about as brown as the first 10 minutes of Wizard of Oz.
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