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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 18, 2011 17:18:23 GMT -5
Snyder isn't giving me any more faith in the film with these comments.... but Aronofsky dropping out at the very last second of Wolverine (which is a drag) gives me faith that the same could happen to Snyder and be replaced with Singer and Routh.
Or Aronofsky. He wanted Superman, didn't he?
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 18, 2011 17:26:00 GMT -5
but Aronofsky dropping out at the very last second of Wolverine (which is a drag) gives me faith that the same could happen to Snyder and be replaced with Singer and Routh. I'm sorry, but your faith needs to be taken out back and shot. Even if Snyder is dropped, WB will go back to the drawing board. SR2 will never happen.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Mar 18, 2011 17:33:21 GMT -5
Yeah, even if/when Snyder is dropped, they're gonna keep the cast. Which is fine. I think Cavill could be great, and I never wanna hear a word about Superman having a kid ever again.
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Post by ye5man on Mar 18, 2011 17:37:12 GMT -5
Please guys, the guy has been signed, Routh's over. Routh is hardly Connery in 1971. If WB wanted him, he'd have been signed up already.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 18, 2011 17:51:43 GMT -5
CAM, I came off like an chap there, sorry. ;D
In all honesty, WB would not cut Cavill and reinstate Routh. Not to mention, that would be a double standard. Then Cavill would be the poor guy not being given a chance.
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Post by botz1 on Mar 18, 2011 17:53:05 GMT -5
Snyder reiterates that his film will completely reboot the franchise and won't contain any traces of previous Superman films.
"In every aspect of design and of story," he explains, "the whole thing is very much from that perspective of respect the canon but don’t be a slave to the movies.”
From that statement there should'nt be any ursa and Zod!!! Thank the lord for that....
This movie just may be a blockbuster.....
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 18, 2011 19:22:18 GMT -5
Guys, our Superman is DEAD.
Never to return.
Bryan Singer tried to bring him back in spirit. The Donnerverse came back for a moment and bored many people out of the theater.
Had it been more action oriented and entertained more people, our Superman may still have lived on.
Singer tried to bring him back and keep him alive, but he only ended up killing him for good.
Unfortunately.
All we can hope for is that Snyder makes a Superman movie that entertains and creates new fans.
I truly don't care if they do slo-mo, blue screen, 3D collaboration with Michael Bay, McG, and Uwe Boll.
Make it Entertaining and make new fans.
The last thing I want is for people to be bored by Superman the way they were for SR.
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Post by MerM on Mar 18, 2011 19:24:08 GMT -5
Guys, our Superman is DEAD. Never to return. Bryan Singer tried to bring him back in spirit. The Donnerverse came back for a moment and bored many people out of the theater. Had it been more action oriented and entertained more people, our Superman may still have lived on. Singer tried to bring him back and keep him alive, but he only ended up killing him for good. Unfortunately. All we can hope for is that Snyder makes a Superman movie that entertains and creates new fans. I truly don't care if they do slo-mo, blue screen, 3D collaboration with Michael Bay, McG, and Uwe Boll. Make it Entertaining and make new fans. The last thing I want is for people to be bored by Superman the way they were for SR. Kinda with Val on this one, a Donnerverse revival isn't really necessary. But a fun Superman movie (dare I say it, in the style of Trek '09)? DO IT.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2011 0:31:31 GMT -5
Yeah, let's just have mindless action. Because that's what the world needs most now. All kidding aside, I PARTIALLY agree with you. I wasn't bored, nor were a good number of people who paid the $391 million worldwide. But everyone's entitled to feel however they felt about the movie, of course. BUT- had the movie had more action in SR to balance things out, we could all have been happy.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2011 0:42:16 GMT -5
;D
It's all good Jimbo- I was half-joking about WB going back to Singer/Routh, but it didn't get many laughs.
Even if Singer and Routh were the only director/actor on the planet, WB would never ask, and I doubt Singer would ever return, even if asked to at this point.
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 19, 2011 0:43:39 GMT -5
Yeah, Doesn't the most recent Hulk movie have lots of action? But it wasn't more successful than SR.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2011 2:27:01 GMT -5
Actually, Star, if you haven't seen the newest Hulk film, I would recommend it. The drama is VERY good in it, not sappy but engaging and a sincere effort.
The newest Hulk film had a VERY nice balance between drama and inventive action scenes. (Entertaining, though by the end, it also feels like a start of a series rather than a standalone film.)
Creatively, I think Hulk hit more of its goals than SR- but SR was more ambitious and took more risks and was a deeper film. While SR tried to continue the Donnerverse forward into slightly more adult territory, (parenthood for one) Hulk stayed in its playing field, (which isn't bad per se, but definitely 'safe') but played it very well while staying in its own borders.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 5:21:39 GMT -5
tbh SR was a borefest.
Nobodies looking for mindless action, but some action would be nice.
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Post by ye5man on Mar 19, 2011 6:36:25 GMT -5
The biggest sin a film can commit is boredom. So if Synder makes a Supey film, with the slo-mo shots and other stuff that some folks here anticipate - but the film has a swift pace and good action then I say 'so be it'
That 3rd act of SR really hammered the nails in its coffin. Pointless downbeat ending of him in hospital. Howabout he throws the thing in space to triumphant music, rounds up Luthor and Kitty, realises that people DO see him as a saviour (he's redeemed in his own mind), goes to see Lois and then smile for the camera at the end?
Whats with the downbeat crap? never seen such a downer in the 3rd act of a Superman film before. heck, Lois was dead only for a few mins of screen time in STM, and that was set up so he could disobey his Father (and should have freed Zod accidentally)
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Post by botz1 on Mar 19, 2011 7:53:37 GMT -5
yea i think we gona see a totally different superman in snyder and companys vision.....something like superman: earth one storyline.
I even doubt we're going to see the daily planet in this film. Maybe even minimal lois at best..
you can tell by younger parents, its going to be way before daily planet...
Lets hope the trailer and marketing are far superior to SR
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Post by SteveS on Mar 19, 2011 10:15:20 GMT -5
Please forgive my ignorance, but how is the movie NOT going to be an origin movie (i.e. it doesn't start on Krypton when he is a baby and it won't show when the Kent's find him in the cornfield)? But yet now word is that Lois and the Daily Planet will be barely featured at all if any and the Kent's will still be young during the movie. What is this going to be? "Superboy"?
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 19, 2011 10:52:04 GMT -5
Actually, Star, if you haven't seen the newest Hulk film, I would recommend it. The drama is VERY good in it, not sappy but engaging and a sincere effort. The newest Hulk film had a VERY nice balance between drama and inventive action scenes. (Entertaining, though by the end, it also feels like a start of a series rather than a standalone film.) Creatively, I think Hulk hit more of its goals than SR- but SR was more ambitious and took more risks and was a deeper film. While SR tried to continue the Donnerverse forward into slightly more adult territory, (parenthood for one) Hulk stayed in its playing field, (which isn't bad per se, but definitely 'safe') but played it very well while staying in its own borders. The Hulk movies don't appeal to me. Hulk himself looks so incredibly fake its hard for me to take him seriously. He just grosses me out. But I'm sure I'll watch it eventually out of curiosity; many seem to really like it.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Mar 19, 2011 11:14:39 GMT -5
The Norton Hulk movie is definitely fun, and worth your time. It is what it is. It's a solid B movie. They definitely play up the "monster movie" aspect of it rather than the superhero movie, which I think makes sense for the character. Nothing spectacular, but fun and interesting for sure.
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Post by botz1 on Mar 19, 2011 11:31:29 GMT -5
Please forgive my ignorance, but how is the movie NOT going to be an origin movie Its not ignorance dude, its confusion. Its a new spin on sups so we have not idea what to expect, thats the fun part i guess.. Read the graphic novel.. Superman: earth one....my guess is the movie will be based more or less on that novel..
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2011 12:07:52 GMT -5
It's probably what's going to happen. Singer set out to make a classic, risking ties to 20th Century Fox by doing so. WB/Snyder I don't think are risking anything by making it a pure action picture.
The 3rd act could have had more action. If (as Dougherty wanted) Supes had to fight off a supervillain WHILE he was trying to lift the kryptonite island into space, and had Luthor been more like the Joker in TDK, would you have felt the same?
People attack the drama and the dark tone, but what it was missing was the menace (Donner/Singer's real estate Luthor doesn't cut it) and action (we needed something to top SII in terms of Superman action). Had it been blended in, I think the feeling wouldn't feel just so melancholy throughout the film.
It was naturally part of the story design, but I don't remember who said it here- but either (1) SR could have been the first half of a film- and then we get Supes charged up (like a Rocky film once he has his personal issues squared away and goes back into the ring for the final battle), or (my preference) (2) Singer could have listened to Dougherty and mixed in a supervillain for a mano y mano - with the newest technology, it would have been something.
I see where you're coming from, but with a few minor adjustments, SR could have been more for action fans as well as those who enjoyed the drama.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2011 12:29:18 GMT -5
The first Hulk movie is a bit of a mess, probably one of the few truly bad films Ang Lee has ever done.
What appealed to me about the second film is how they made you care about the main character's predicament & the only weakness of that film was probably what was/is a feeling of what limits the comic as well: it's about a guy trying to find a cure for his condition.....but if he ever cures it, the story is over.
So, there's that- but Norton (who was blamed for controlling or trying to control the picture) really made the film.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2011 13:20:54 GMT -5
BTW, if the new Superman movie credits say "Based on the graphic novel by Siegel and Shuster", I will personally projectile vomit on anyone sitting in the first two rows in front of me. Anyone with me on this?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2011 13:34:57 GMT -5
The 'secret origin' Geoff Johns book (which Goyer has said his script is influenced by) also doesn't start on Krypton when he is a baby and it doesn't show when the Kent's find him in the cornfield.... but still tells his origin without going to Krypton.
So, maybe that's what's in the film. We just won't see Krypton, but we'll see Jorel and Lara in projections. (Pity. If we have to do reboot, that's one thing that I'll miss seeing is a new version of Krypton in CGI)
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Post by botz1 on Mar 19, 2011 13:56:45 GMT -5
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Post by Valentine Smith on Mar 19, 2011 14:05:12 GMT -5
BTW, if the new Superman movie credits say "Based on the graphic novel by Siegel and Shuster", I will personally projectile vomit on anyone sitting in the first two rows in front of me. Anyone with me on this? Yes. "Graphic Novel" my booty. COMICS, darn it. But, in all likelihood, it will be the standard "Superman created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster" that has appeared on everything since STM, and that's how it should be. Great news about the non-CGI suit! Personally, I really hope we DO get to see Krypton. I think you're squandering opportunities by not establishing a distinct visual look for it early on.
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