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Post by belloq on Aug 3, 2010 22:08:46 GMT -5
I cannot believe that the news stations and their websites haven't got this. I could only get the following. Makes me want to  even more. The news media doesn't really care about screenwriters. They contribute more to movies than actors ever do, but society is focused on celebs, not the people who work behind the scenes. Sad, but true. effin A. The good ones are so few anymore that just about all the good stuff that comes out these days all have the same handful of guys behind them. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 4, 2010 0:58:16 GMT -5
Damn.
Thanks for the good memories, Mank.
See you on the other side.
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Post by jor-el76 on Aug 4, 2010 3:25:04 GMT -5
i'm very sad... RIP dear Mank, thanks for your astonish work on Superman... your brilliant touch always will do dream many many fans of Superman.
Superman was my first movie on the silverscreen...i'll remember you like ..... a Friend.....
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Post by Knight on Aug 4, 2010 4:42:53 GMT -5
I was wondering when aicn were going to do a piece on this. I just read what they put up. Really nice. people have left nice posts too on the boards over there.
Hopefully on any future pressings of Blu ray/DVD Tom will get the correct credit.
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 4, 2010 12:03:13 GMT -5
Hopefully on any future pressings of Blu ray/DVD Tom will get the correct credit. Movies don't work that way. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 4, 2010 12:53:23 GMT -5
I dunno.... that "Creative Consultant" is such a unique (and standout) credit, although it might affect royalties by not having screenplay by credit--- having "Creative Consultant" might be preffered... (I can't think of any other time in film history where I've ever seen that credit myself...)
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 4, 2010 13:10:52 GMT -5
Matt Groening gets a 'creative consultant' credit on The Simpsons.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2010 13:16:20 GMT -5
very sad news.
A very gifted and articulate man.
RIP Tom, i really feel i owe him one given how much of an effect STM alone has had on me.
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Post by Knight on Aug 4, 2010 16:01:27 GMT -5
Hopefully on any future pressings of Blu ray/DVD Tom will get the correct credit. Movies don't work that way. ...I know,but he ought to be given a writing credit. At leased we all know and appreciate his work,which is the main thing. |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 4, 2010 16:12:58 GMT -5
The ring around his credit in opening STM credits will have special poignancy now
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Post by Kirok on Aug 4, 2010 19:20:42 GMT -5
I dunno.... that "Creative Consultant" is such a unique (and standout) credit, although it might affect royalties by not having screenplay by credit--- having "Creative Consultant" might be preffered... (I can't think of any other time in film history where I've ever seen that credit myself...) Harlan Ellison got a Creative Consultant credit on "Babylon 5", but you're right, it's a credit I rarely see. |
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Post by Gandy on Aug 5, 2010 2:35:15 GMT -5
I've written up my experience of meeting him - I'll post it up in a day or two. Still remember that day. His house was amazing.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 5, 2010 10:01:39 GMT -5
Ah. But- here's a thought:
Which is more preferable? To have a screenwriting credit or 'creative consultant' credit?
(Again, this is not knowing about whether or not contractually the screenwriter or consultant gets more money for one or the other)
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 5, 2010 10:52:37 GMT -5
Screenwriting of course. WGA is a union like any other union. Strict rules, a lot of bureaucracy, and hefty fines. They have strict rules about how writers are credited. It's pretty convoluted. Enjoy the read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenwriter_creditIn Groening's case, he actually was a consultant, and not a main writer. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 5, 2010 11:39:02 GMT -5
i want to echo what mav said back there- about the cultural impact this movie has had and the fact that, here we are so many years later and we still discuss it all the time. the fact is this movie is the reason most of us are friends. some of you guys already knew each other in real life, but the board has made a lot of new friends and it all goes back to the impact of STM ( and peripherally other films of similar genre/era )
also- let me offer my view of how truly miraculous the movie is.
superman the movie is a miracle of cinema. there arent many flms like that. with films ( like any other format - tv, books, art, music) most of it is mostly bad most of the time. you can get lost in a sea of awfulness and tread water in mediocrity. but now and then truly special things happen and surprisingly enough it often happens by sheer accident.
i dont need to tell anyone here how STM ALMOST unfolded. we all know about the casting, the scripts.... it could have been a truly terrible movie. it almost was. it took the serendipitous alignment of the right people at the right time with the right abilities to make it what it is. it was contentious, overschedule, over budget and thrown together at the last possible moment.
and its brilliant. what amazing is that they found chris reeve, who is the definitive superman for all time- he was so perfect for it he's amazing as superman even though HALF the series is awful!!
;D
only a handful of trul iconic films have come about in such a haphazard way.
CASABLANCA- hollywood's ONLY perfect film, theres a great doc about it, i highly recomend it- and like STM it was a mess. it was too expensive, nearly woefully miscast, and the script was constantly revised as the shoot went on. they honestly didnt know how to end it untill the last week of shooting!
STAR WARS- a miracle of cinema. only george lucas was capable of ruining what george lucas made.
GODFATHER, CITIZEN KANE, .... these epics were fought for tooth and nail by passionate talented people who truly had a vision.
i give salkinds all due credit for ambition- but it was donner and mank- navigating circumstances beyond their control and often"winging it" that made superman a success.
" there may be, in the future, other (superman) films...but i doubt they'll ever get it quite as right"
- john williams 2001
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Post by upandaway on Aug 5, 2010 15:59:34 GMT -5
Too true Jor
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Post by Metallo on Aug 5, 2010 16:10:54 GMT -5
STM really did give birth to a whole new sub genre of films and broke new ground.
The people involved should feel very proud.
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Post by johnnyboy on Aug 7, 2010 17:07:36 GMT -5
Almost missed this! He passed away on Saturday. He was suffering from cancer for four years.  When I met him in 2006 he looked in bad shape. He doesn't look a bundle of health on the 2001 STM DVD, either. Nonetheless ... Sad news. I'm kinda shocked. Wonder how Donner feels? RIP, Tom. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 9, 2010 11:08:08 GMT -5
Well said, although.... STM is a giant favorite, but I don't quite consider it a perfect film, but, like SR, it's a movie with perfect moments and perfect scenes- (The time travel bit should have included SOMETHING to show that it could happen only once, if that rabbit was going to pulled out of the hat) and has so many special moments, it can't be digested on one viewing, but stays with you after. Some of the flaws in STM I think would have been better solved/ been smoother if we got SII as intended- I know it's been said ten million times by others on multiple previous threads- - but part of me wonders to this day: (1) What would have it been like if (as rumored) Lois died at the Fortress of Solitude instead (far darker, and more suprising, I think) and brought to life via timetravel ONCE as intended originally in the Puzo script- or (2) What Donner would have come up with- or if he and Mank would have just bit the bullet and did timetravel all over again (bleah!!!!). We know that Thau asked Mank and Donner to try to come up with one- but had nothing to offer. Lois remembering I would have been fine with, but I have a sense that DC wouldn't have approved at that time... In any case, a mystery that Mank could probably have solved at that time, but sad we'll never know.... |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 9, 2010 11:15:21 GMT -5
Just read Gandy's writeup on the visit to Mank's house. Glad that the awkward bits in the beginning was included, I felt total sympathy for Gandy on Tom's initial reaction to the interview: that had to be a fan's total nightmare--- Thank goodness Mike Matessino had come along for the ride! Wow.
Glad it turned out well......but it might not have. You never know what kind of situation or mood someone who's work you've worshipped might be under when you're meeting them. That's why I'm never that anxious necessarily to meet this person/ that at a convention. I never got until older that phrase: "Never meet your heroes"
But- again- glad it turned out on a happy note.
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Post by Gandy on Aug 10, 2010 4:45:04 GMT -5
Perhaps worship is a strong word -- but I do hold them in very high regard. I didn't tell Mike how I felt but I was not happy doing the interview during the first five minutes, but Tom's enthusiasm was infectious and it helped him get over his troubles for a while.
We were very close to Dick's place and there was talk of us visiting him but I didn't press Tom any further. If I can find the recording I'll post some snippets from it.
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Post by johnnyboy on Aug 15, 2010 6:25:17 GMT -5
Beautiful remembrance, there. Glad one of us met him, so to speak -- and very glad it was Dharmesh! Treasure those memories. And thanks for sharing some of them with us.
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even more.
When I met him in 2006 he looked in bad shape.