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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 2, 2010 17:41:05 GMT -5
Just saw "Salt" today, and was shocked to see Stuart Baird's name as the lead editor (two editors) for the film.
In checking imdb, his next project is to edit Green Lantern!
Will lightning strike twice or think it won't make any real difference?
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 2, 2010 17:50:44 GMT -5
maybe he can edit out the GL costume! ;D
always good to see his work. he worked with martin cambel on "casino royale" so it doesn t surprise me he's been hired for GL.
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 2, 2010 17:55:26 GMT -5
He never left.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 2, 2010 18:14:35 GMT -5
yeah even after he was directing I'm pretty sure he still did some editing work.
His skill can only help Green Lantern. It'll just be better if he has something good to work with. Campbell's already worked with him before so I'm not surprised he got the nod.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 2, 2010 20:15:25 GMT -5
Well.... it just seemed a bit suprising to me in Hollywood- once someone starts to direct, isn't editing considered a career step backwards?
In any case, after seeing "Executive Decision" and "Star Trek: Nemesis", while those weren't horrible (the latter being destroyed imo by Baird's poor casting choice of Picard's clone) overall, they're not on the same level as Bairds editing with Donner.
So, good to see him back in the editing chair. And curious how he'll do with the action scenes in Green Lantern.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 2, 2010 20:44:07 GMT -5
Executive Decision was an ok popcorn flick...but Baird didn't know what the heck he was doing with Nemesis. he should have stuck to original material instead of an established franchise like Trek. US Marshalls was about the same as Exec Decision.
I think Baird just wanted to expand his horizons with directing but he knows where his real strength lies and I'm sure the studios pay him very well for his editing skills. I think a big reason he got nemesis was because he'd done some work for Paramount editing another movie and they offered him Nemesis for that.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 2, 2010 22:56:29 GMT -5
If I knew Baird hadn't left editing...
It's a pity none of us here has/ had enough money to pay Baird to edit the Donner Cut of SII...
*sigh*
Wonder if Baird feels any attachment to any of the previous stuff he'd done that he didn't direct? Would have loved to have had a separate commentary by him on STM/SII....
(Especially as Donner had mentioned that on many occassions, how he shot/envisioned some sequences weren't how Baird cut them)
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Post by Kirok on Aug 2, 2010 22:58:20 GMT -5
(Especially as Donner had mentioned that on many occassions, how he shot/envisioned some sequences weren't how Baird cut them) If The Donner Cut were any indication, that was a good thing... |
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 2, 2010 23:19:06 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, the KCOP cut shows just how good Baird was as an editor, and just how much he contributed to STM. While the KCOP cut is a fun thing for fans, it's not good storytelling.
Another example is Star Wars. Had it not been for good editing, the movie would have been a disaster. The pace was slooooow, and the ending completely lacked suspense.
Good editors should remain as editors, as great editing is hard to come by.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 3, 2010 1:38:51 GMT -5
Well said, Jimbo. I agree 1000% on your comment of the editors' influence on the original Star Wars- particularly the death star battle- that had to be a bear to edit properly. Too long, and the suspense is dead. Too short, and it's anticlimactic.
In both Star Wars and STM's case, I'm glad that both were recognized by the Academy Awards for editing.... although STM should have won for both the John Williams' score and editing that year. (How the heck did "Fame" win over Williams? Pfah.)
I also agree on the KCOP cut--- as a rabid fan, I would love a ten hour version of STM- but the pacing would be horrible as a movie experience.
I didn't think Baird's movies were terrible, but they weren't standouts by any means. In reading interviews with actors on the Trek set, it didn't sound like working with actors was Baird's strong suit--- (*Although with working with a cast that's been on a show that long, I'd worry for any new director that would tell the cast how to play their parts! Still, the casting choice of Picard's clone again for me ruined the impact of that film more than anything else, but that's another story).
A good directing/editing team is like gold, though. Maybe rarer than gold-
As examples, I'd argue that "The Omen" is also a great Donner/Baird team-up (albeit a totally different type of film) and I'd argue that "Ladyhawke" (also by them) is great entertainment (although the predictability of the ending is more than a little painful) with great sequences.
Anyhow--- I feel a little better about any action film when I see Stuart Baird's name as editor. Hope that there's even half of the magic of STM in Green Lantern, but the more STM names in the production group, the better....
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Post by jor-el76 on Aug 4, 2010 3:40:24 GMT -5
When i read Nolan will Produce the new Superman my dream was to see Warner Move into the production of a new version of Donner's cut with Selutron, Baird, Mank, Donner and Williams on board to create the ultimate two part saga.... just a dream? probably.
but i hope Warner think about it, this project can be realized during the production of the new movie, using a little bit of money from the new project.
and if the two part saga will be realized...i hope to see a tribute to mank....
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 4, 2010 9:40:21 GMT -5
I'm suprised, that, given all of the big filmmakers that have come out and mentioned how much STM had influenced them--- that none of them seemed to have the energy to go out and approach WB and say, 'hey, I'll donate a million or two to grease the wheels to get a Donner cut going properly' for so many years.
It's as if Singer's committment to use Brando and push the studio to make a bargain rate deal for other Brando footage is one of the few things that made it attractive to the studio to revisit SII AT ALL (Seems like Thau's energy might have been the other thing. Perhaps no one else would do it for little money? Dunno).
Or- was it Donner's situation + other factors (enough existing footage, cost of Williams, etc.) that just made it seem like too much to fix up to be worth investing too much in? (I disagree, I'm sure everyone else feels the same here)
I know with the director's cut of "Payback", music was an issue to cost there, and the director had to find a musician who was DIRT CHEAP in order to get a new score for that film.
Honestly- Given a choice between the two, if it came down to $150 million for a new Nolan Superman.....OR.... $150 million to fix Donner's SII, I'd take Donner's SII. (Hopefully you'd get both, but...)
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