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Post by stargazer01 on Sept 25, 2010 11:06:37 GMT -5
Just wanted to know how you guys feel about this film 4 years later. Do you still enjoy/love it like the first time you saw it? Do you still dislike it? Why? Let's discuss. Civilly please.
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Post by Conor on Sept 25, 2010 11:10:29 GMT -5
I still enjoy but haven't seen it in years. I do like it and love the plane scene but If i'm honest, I watch ADM's cut over the theatrical cut. A much better movie IMO. Had Singer used something similar and left in RTK it may have been better received. Wel, it was well received. Most critics enjoyed it. I should say made more money.I wish ADM would do a 720 or 1080 cut of it actually.
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Post by ye5man on Sept 25, 2010 11:32:17 GMT -5
I am unable to watch it all in one go, but there are sequences I do enjoy.
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Post by EvilSupes on Sept 25, 2010 11:42:29 GMT -5
I haven't watched it in over a year, but based on my last viewing, I did still like it.
I voted:
love it, it's not perfect but deserved a sequel.
It's not better than STM to me, but I'd class it as good as Lester's SII.
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Post by Shane on Sept 25, 2010 21:06:56 GMT -5
I am unable to watch it all in one go, but there are sequences I do enjoy. which ones
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 3:06:51 GMT -5
I love it. I think I like it a little more each time I see it. I accept its problems, mostly in pacing and editing, some actors are a little underutilized but otherwise I think it's an amazing movie. There are some truly beautiful moments, as a lifelong Superman fan, some of the imagery was just astounding sometimes. Score's incredible, the action sequences, few as there are, are all fantastic, it's just a damn good movie in my opinion. Far from perfect but really damn good.
I really wanna have a sit down and watch STM, SII and SR in one long ass day and see how I feel. I know STM will always be my favorite, unless whatever comes out in 2089 blows us all away, but then again, I'll be 109, anything moving around and colorful will tickle my fancy.
But I am curious if I like SII over SR. I definitely won't watch the Donner Cut. Fuck that version. Mav's cut is pretty damn good, I gotta say, maybe I'll watch that one? But I dunno which one I prefer.
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Post by ye5man on Sept 26, 2010 5:17:00 GMT -5
I am unable to watch it all in one go, but there are sequences I do enjoy. which ones Opening and close creds, Smallville flashback, big rescue, Flying with Lois, Metropolis mayhem For me, about 90% of the rest of it is unwatchable. Yes, there are some beautiful images, but nothing behind them. Style over substance. Oh look, Superman is moping about again. Now he's graphically having the living shit kicked out of him. Now they're ripping off STM. Now he hasn't been in it for about 15 minutes.
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Post by Kamdan on Sept 26, 2010 12:10:18 GMT -5
I HATE this film, but I am interested in seeing the extended cut.
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Post by MAVERICK on Sept 26, 2010 14:12:10 GMT -5
I love it. I think I like it a little more each time I see it. ^ This ^ I'm actually doing this as we speak! Though, I'm doing mine over 3 days. I love Chris in SII, but, as film, I like SR more. Especially the extended cut I made of SR. The Smallville moments really make it feel more epic like STM. Wow thanks man! I didn't know that you ever finished watching it! Thats a heck of a compliment. Appreciated. I usually watch: STM SII (My Cut) SR (My Cut) And whenever I just want some random Chris goodness without having to sit through painfully awful crap, I watch ADM's Superman Redeemed.
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Post by johnnyboy on Sept 26, 2010 16:27:24 GMT -5
I don't like it.
To me, it feels under-thought and under-whelming.
There's a lot about the film, even in its smaller moments, that doesn't ring true, for me. A good example is Clark changing in the Daily Planet lift. The build-up is kinda flat and awkward (Routh feels more like an overgrown boy than the MAN that Reeve was, IMO), and when he gets in the lift, he immediately takes off .... flying through the elevator car or what? Tons of stuff like that just grates on me.
Remember all the detail and "super" editing put into Supes' rescue of Lois from the dangling helicopter in STM? In my view, it shames SR ten times over. Even Lester's transitions in SII (alley way) and SIII (police car) were more exciting and comic book-like, to my mind. I still get a thrill from all the snap, crackle and pop of the Reeve movies (not so much SIV, but even that has its moments). SR is a very different animal -- very boring and sloth-like, lacking wit and imagination.
Another thing I can't stand in SR is the way the music was all hacked up, from the truncated opening titles to cloying, silly uses later on (e.g., Martha outside the hospital when "Leaving Home" plays -- that piece should have been left in the realm of STM, where it is much more fitting with the bittersweet context of Clark's departure and the rustling of all that corn). Ironically, even though Singer wanted to make a heartfelt movie, SR feels surprisingly heartless in its construction, to me. Slap dash. Inchoate.
On the other hand, I feel SR has a few poignant moments, which are its saving grace. Lois' shoeless flight with Supes is sexy and sweet, her rescue of him and pulling the Kryptonite shard out deepens the dependency of the characters, Supes being wheeled through hospital is shocking in its symbolic power, and his final chat with his son, re-doing the Brando lines, leaves an impact, especially with Routh's warm, mellow voice. Also, for what it's worth, I think the Brando lines are the one element from STM that work pretty well, especially the cut dialogue when Supes is drowning.
But then my feelings toward the film swing back to "This Is Watered-Down Donner" mode. Consider the explosion of Krypton at the start. Now, yes, I like the allusion (if obvious) to 2001, but the explosion itself is just your typical Hollywood actioner effect (the kind of thing we've seen in Independence Day, Star Trek Generations, etc.). In STM, Krypton blowing up had an arty, surreal quality to it; like a chandelier shattering into a million pieces. SR's aggressive effect was good the first time, but the attraction has worn off now. I LOVE The Usual Suspects and also have a great deal of affection for Singer's X-Men pictures, but it seems he lost his way with Superman. I dunno. As a cinematic property, it's dead in the water and the silence is deafening.
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Post by atp on Sept 26, 2010 16:59:52 GMT -5
I don't like it. To me, it feels under-thought and under-whelming. There's a lot about the film, even in its smaller moments, that doesn't ring true, for me. A good example is Clark changing in the Daily Planet lift. The build-up is kinda flat and awkward (Routh feels more like an overgrown boy than the MAN that Reeve was, IMO), and when he gets in the lift, he immediately takes off .... flying through the elevator car or what? Tons of stuff like that just grates on me. Remember all the detail and "super" editing put into Supes' rescue of Lois from the dangling helicopter in STM? In my view, it shames SR ten times over. Even Lester's transitions in SII (alley way) and SIII (police car) were more exciting and comic book-like, to my mind. I still get a thrill from all the snap, crackle and pop of the Reeve movies (not so much SIV, but even that has its moments). SR is a very different animal -- very boring and sloth-like, lacking wit and imagination. Another thing I can't stand in SR is the way the music was all hacked up, from the truncated opening titles to cloying, silly uses later on (e.g., Martha outside the hospital when "Leaving Home" plays -- that piece should have been left in the realm of STM, where it is much more fitting with the bittersweet context of Clark's departure and the rustling of all that corn). Ironically, even though Singer wanted to make a heartfelt movie, SR feels surprisingly heartless in its construction, to me. Slap dash. Inchoate. On the other hand, I feel SR has a few poignant moments, which are its saving grace. Lois' shoeless flight with Supes is sexy and sweet, her rescue of him and pulling the Kryptonite shard out deepens the dependency of the characters, Supes being wheeled through hospital is shocking in its symbolic power, and his final chat with his son, re-doing the Brando lines, leaves an impact, especially with Routh's warm, mellow voice. Also, for what it's worth, I think the Brando lines are the one element from STM that work pretty well, especially the cut dialogue when Supes is drowning. But then my feelings toward the film swing back to "This Is Watered-Down Donner" mode. Consider the explosion of Krypton at the start. Now, yes, I like the allusion (if obvious) to 2001, but the explosion itself is just your typical Hollywood actioner effect (the kind of thing we've seen in Independence Day, Star Trek Generations, etc.). In STM, Krypton blowing up had an arty, surreal quality to it; like a chandelier shattering into a million pieces. SR's aggressive effect was good the first time, but the attraction has worn off now. I LOVE The Usual Suspects and also have a great deal of affection for Singer's X-Men pictures, but it seems he lost his way with Superman. I dunno. As a cinematic property, it's dead in the water and the silence is deafening. i.e., in layman's terms, it was crap.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Sept 26, 2010 17:42:34 GMT -5
You pretty much nailed it Johnny Boy. I would add that the costume is horrible and was counter-productive in showing Superman as an large iconic figure..not to mention it undermined the work Brandon had put into his physique.
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Post by Kamdan on Sept 26, 2010 19:12:14 GMT -5
I've got the perfect quote to sum it up for myself, "Scruffy. So morbid. A sentimental replica of a planet long since vanished. No style at all."
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 26, 2010 20:31:59 GMT -5
I didn't have a problem with the basic premise, but I increasingly angry that they didn't make it more action oriented.
No super villains, yet Superman gets hurt how many times?
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2010 22:17:10 GMT -5
I agree with some of the posts, I think it gets slow in some spots. I give it 7/10 it is an alright movie.
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Post by stargazer01 on Sept 26, 2010 22:32:15 GMT -5
Many great films don't have sequels. Many crappy films have sequels. BTW, Star Trek The Motion Picture didn't have a sequel..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2010 0:53:56 GMT -5
Gazer, no need.
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Post by theoj on Sept 27, 2010 4:28:55 GMT -5
I think the structuring of SR really let the film down and cost it another $100 million at the box office....
The film kicks in pretty quickly and the first half of the film flows much better than the second half.
The first half has a natural structure to it, and is more enjoyable, and although the second half has some epic Superman scenes and goes darker, I think it has too much story to deal with and chops back and forth between scenes too frequently.
The real blow to the success of the film is the slow 20 minute action-less ending. Up to the point when Supes lifts New Krypton into the air, we get 30 minutes of pretty impressive and exhilirating action, but no matter how heartfelt the final 20 minutes is (with its STM homage), that is no way to end a film.
The film does not end on a true high. It ends on Superman in a kid's bedroom, uttering lines used before, then you get 2 minutes of a bad computer generated Superman flying through the sky - this really annoyed me! And it was so dark and fast, did Superman smile at the camera at the end or not?
I would have re-edited the finale almost in reverse, with Superman being stabbed by Lex, going to hospital, finding out about his son, which then gives him the will to live and then flies into the sun to get enough power to lift new Krypton into the sky. As new Krypton launches further away into space, Superman flies off towards the sun (as in all previous films, but this time for a reason, to regain his strength), smiles at the camera... THE END! A much bigger high to end on.
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Post by ye5man on Sept 27, 2010 7:18:00 GMT -5
Routh's 4th wall breaking look to the audience was out of place given the overall dark nature to the film. A shame as I do like that shot.
Good point about the final 20 mins. Just so dreary. Could have at least ended it with him dropping Luthor off or something high.
Film suffers from too much Spacey IMO. Less Spacey, more Clark Kent may have helped
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Post by Legsy on Sept 27, 2010 14:28:23 GMT -5
I love this film, it's great! I want a sequel!
Not going to happen, but I can still dream.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Sept 27, 2010 14:41:03 GMT -5
i have gone through epic flipflopping on it.
at first it was like the prequels, in that my anticipation and self-hyp-epsych-out had made it realisitically unattainable. it just COULD not match what i went in expecting.
at that midnight showing, i admit i was underwhelmed and a little bothered by some of it. disappointed and embarassed that i was disappointed as i had been the BIGGEST advocate to anyone who knew me.
saw it repeatedly anyway. and began to see it in ways i watch a lot of other scifi flicks that get panend: as episodes of great material buried in a quagmire ( not the giggity kind ).
didnt need lex's sex-caper with the old lady. would have like to see superman much earlier in the picture- the build-up took an eternity. liked most of the cast. wouldnt miss mosworth but i dont hate 'er.
loved the score, the setpieces ( my li'l boy about cried seeing that amazing train set get destroyed ).
intially unhappy with the suit. it grew on me.
story was ok/good. plane rescue awesome. final act with the mountain was cool.
so i went from underwhlemed to resentful- it had bryan singer and a chris reeve clone and the william's score- HOW COULD IT NOT BE PERFECT? then i accepted it, warts and all. went from liking, but not loving it. to loving but not liking it.
now, well now its part of the family. i geuss part of it is my tastes and worldview were changing as well.
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 27, 2010 21:12:07 GMT -5
I don't like it. To me, it feels under-thought and under-whelming. There's a lot about the film, even in its smaller moments, that doesn't ring true, for me. A good example is Clark changing in the Daily Planet lift. The build-up is kinda flat and awkward (Routh feels more like an overgrown boy than the MAN that Reeve was, IMO), and when he gets in the lift, he immediately takes off .... flying through the elevator car or what? Tons of stuff like that just grates on me. Remember all the detail and "super" editing put into Supes' rescue of Lois from the dangling helicopter in STM? In my view, it shames SR ten times over. Even Lester's transitions in SII (alley way) and SIII (police car) were more exciting and comic book-like, to my mind. I still get a thrill from all the snap, crackle and pop of the Reeve movies (not so much SIV, but even that has its moments). SR is a very different animal -- very boring and sloth-like, lacking wit and imagination. Another thing I can't stand in SR is the way the music was all hacked up, from the truncated opening titles to cloying, silly uses later on (e.g., Martha outside the hospital when "Leaving Home" plays -- that piece should have been left in the realm of STM, where it is much more fitting with the bittersweet context of Clark's departure and the rustling of all that corn). Ironically, even though Singer wanted to make a heartfelt movie, SR feels surprisingly heartless in its construction, to me. Slap dash. Inchoate. On the other hand, I feel SR has a few poignant moments, which are its saving grace. Lois' shoeless flight with Supes is sexy and sweet, her rescue of him and pulling the Kryptonite shard out deepens the dependency of the characters, Supes being wheeled through hospital is shocking in its symbolic power, and his final chat with his son, re-doing the Brando lines, leaves an impact, especially with Routh's warm, mellow voice. Also, for what it's worth, I think the Brando lines are the one element from STM that work pretty well, especially the cut dialogue when Supes is drowning. But then my feelings toward the film swing back to "This Is Watered-Down Donner" mode. Consider the explosion of Krypton at the start. Now, yes, I like the allusion (if obvious) to 2001, but the explosion itself is just your typical Hollywood actioner effect (the kind of thing we've seen in Independence Day, Star Trek Generations, etc.). In STM, Krypton blowing up had an arty, surreal quality to it; like a chandelier shattering into a million pieces. SR's aggressive effect was good the first time, but the attraction has worn off now. I LOVE The Usual Suspects and also have a great deal of affection for Singer's X-Men pictures, but it seems he lost his way with Superman. I dunno. As a cinematic property, it's dead in the water and the silence is deafening. i.e., in layman's terms, it was crap. ;D ;D ;D ATP, you reminded of this quote from Shakespeare. "Men of few words are the best men."
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Post by Valentine Smith on Sept 28, 2010 14:48:09 GMT -5
Watched it recently, and I see more and more flaws with each viewing. I still feel the good outweighs the bad, but I see more and more bad all the time, and I get frustrated by it.
However, the GOOD remains constant.
Routh is excellent.
The score is great (although poorly edited)
I like Langella's Perry White. Who says we can't have an understated Perry?
I think this is the best live-action Jimmy ever.
Spacey is great, but utilized poorly.
I still love the suit.
Brandon's delivery of the Jor-El lines to the kid gets me every time.
Superman pulling the boat out of the water...with that music...one of the best Superman scenes ever put on film. Superior to the airplane sequence, in my opinion.
I really, really, really, want to have sex with Parker Posey. She shoulda been Lois.
The scene of Supes descending into the Fortress before he realizes it's been ransacked is just such an incredible shot. Ranks high in the all time Superman moments for me.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Sept 28, 2010 17:46:57 GMT -5
I really, really, really, want to have sex with Parker Posey. She shoulda been Lois.
( eyes dart )
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Post by heman on Sept 28, 2010 19:19:39 GMT -5
Crap, cant even sit through it.
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