Post by Ollie W on Aug 7, 2008 5:02:34 GMT -5
Superman II has had it's fair share of fan edits so I don't know if the good people here can stomach another. But for members who are interested, particularly anyone still working on cuts here's the details on mine.
SUPERMAN II : The Complete Cut
I’ve previously released a couple of edits of Donner’s Superman II, however these were more or less tweaks to the official release that corrected editing issues rather than joining in the debate about which footage (Donner v Lester) is better. I finally decided to take a less compromising approach and put together a Superman II that is complete and one that would’ve satisfied me had it been released back in 1980.
Like anything else fan editing is a learning process so I think it’s ideal that I’ve previously worked on other SII edits because the result now is as polished as I could hope for. No doubt that that in creating a successful fan edit sound is the key. If you don’t get this right then the various cuts are made more obvious. Thankfully the recent soundtrack release gave me the opportunity to further polish the transitions by allowing music cues to play out into the next scene.
There are two people who I must thank for making this edit possible.
Red Krypton Son; Who gave his blessing for me to use some of his material from the RKS cut, including two re-composited scenes and two audio elements. These being;
- New scene during Lex’s confrontation with Jor-El which shows Zod and co making havoc on Krypton.
- Corrected shot as Superman returns the flag to the Whitehouse which features moving fountains.
- Sound element during Villains confrontation which the sheriff.
- Sound element during the first half of the Villain’s entering East Idaho.
Verisimilitude; For his helpful advice in how to correct the LC footage so it more closely matches the DC footage.
Here’s the scene order for my cut including changes;
- WB logo
- DC; Reeve credit is met with silence.
- DC; Same music cue opens the picture but this is played over travelling space footage from the LC followed by a dissolve into Thau’s opening Krypton shot.
- Thau’s entire recap is retained.
- DC; Credit sequence is tweaked. Reeve receives top billing followed by Gene, then Brando.
- DC; ‘S’ logo has been replaced with the STM ‘S’ logo.
- DC; Daily Planet/Lex in Prison/Villains on the Moon
- DC; Sound FX is added when Zod kicks the Astronaut on the moon.
- DC; End dialog between those guys in the control room has been trimmed.
- DC; Lex escapes/Niagara Falls exteriors
- LC; Hotel tour of the room scene is put back in.
- DC; Dialog extended as Lex and Eve head north to include “Ice and snow is this your idea of a good time”.
- RKS; Inserted scene of villains making havoc on Krypton.
- LC; No possibility for Parol is put back in.
- LC; Included a shot of Eve walking away.
- DC; Music cue added as lex thinks out loud with toilet flush removed.
- DC; Rescuing boy at Niagara Falls however I removed dialog “oh course he’s Jewish”.
- LC; Shot put back in of Superman landing behind the stall followed his confrontation with Lois.
- DC; Villains landing/Ursa and the snake
- DC; Blank Bullets scene
- DC; Encounter with the Sheriff features additional LC footage and RKS audio with "holy skunk sweat" dialog removed.
- DC; Lovers fly north
- LC; Villains encounter with the people of East Idaho features RKS audio playing over the first half of the scene. Cut away from “these human are beginning to bore me" to LC Supes shows Lois around the fortress, minus crystal being left on the floor.
- DC; Television crew shows up features some additional LC footage.
- DC; Cut from “Where’s Superman, and why doesn’t he do something” to LC Supes and Lois having dinner.
- DC; Non catching rocket, then cut from “Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me” to DC Supes and Lois in Bed.
- DC; Zod speech which LC audio.
- DC; Fall of Washington monument/Depowering scene
- Replaced DC Whitehouse shot with LC villains fly over the Whitehouse.
- DC; Villains in the Whitehouse
- DC; Diner scene fades into Clark’s trek to the fortress.
- DC; Replaced Reeve’s delivery of “father” with that from the LC.
- DC; For Lex at the Whitehouse, I opened with Ursa playing with the revolving planets gizmo, thus Non's confused reaction with his toy is scraped.
- DC; Back at the Daily planet
- DC; Music added to the Daily Planet invasion.
- LC; Door knob line put back in.
- DC; Lex’s end dialog at the planet “You ought to have that thing fixed”, is removed.
- Supes return uses mostly DC footage but features Thorne music and “would you care to step outside”.
- DC; “I’m not a coward” audio has been fixed.
- DC; Battle/To the Fortress
- DC; Music replaced after Superman crushes Zod’s hand in the Fortress of Solitude. Makes it more uplifting.
- Artic patrol scene minus “Smallville strongboy”.
- DC; Destroy fortress/Break-up scene/Dropping Lois back home
- LC; Memory kiss but ends with a dissolve from a dizzy Lois to a sun setting shot (from Superman IV), to a day shot of Metropolis.
- DC: Back at the daily Planet, go get the Pizza scene.
- Clark and Jimmy by the elevator.
- DC; Return to the Diner with LC audio.
- LC; Supes returns flag using RKS’s restored shot of the fountains moving.
- LC Fly over, DC fly bye
- DC; End titles with Thorne score.
THE END
DVD PAL 122min
Anyone wishing to see this cut need only ask, though a trade is allways appreciated.
SUPERMAN II : The Complete Cut
I’ve previously released a couple of edits of Donner’s Superman II, however these were more or less tweaks to the official release that corrected editing issues rather than joining in the debate about which footage (Donner v Lester) is better. I finally decided to take a less compromising approach and put together a Superman II that is complete and one that would’ve satisfied me had it been released back in 1980.
Like anything else fan editing is a learning process so I think it’s ideal that I’ve previously worked on other SII edits because the result now is as polished as I could hope for. No doubt that that in creating a successful fan edit sound is the key. If you don’t get this right then the various cuts are made more obvious. Thankfully the recent soundtrack release gave me the opportunity to further polish the transitions by allowing music cues to play out into the next scene.
There are two people who I must thank for making this edit possible.
Red Krypton Son; Who gave his blessing for me to use some of his material from the RKS cut, including two re-composited scenes and two audio elements. These being;
- New scene during Lex’s confrontation with Jor-El which shows Zod and co making havoc on Krypton.
- Corrected shot as Superman returns the flag to the Whitehouse which features moving fountains.
- Sound element during Villains confrontation which the sheriff.
- Sound element during the first half of the Villain’s entering East Idaho.
Verisimilitude; For his helpful advice in how to correct the LC footage so it more closely matches the DC footage.
Here’s the scene order for my cut including changes;
- WB logo
- DC; Reeve credit is met with silence.
- DC; Same music cue opens the picture but this is played over travelling space footage from the LC followed by a dissolve into Thau’s opening Krypton shot.
- Thau’s entire recap is retained.
- DC; Credit sequence is tweaked. Reeve receives top billing followed by Gene, then Brando.
- DC; ‘S’ logo has been replaced with the STM ‘S’ logo.
- DC; Daily Planet/Lex in Prison/Villains on the Moon
- DC; Sound FX is added when Zod kicks the Astronaut on the moon.
- DC; End dialog between those guys in the control room has been trimmed.
- DC; Lex escapes/Niagara Falls exteriors
- LC; Hotel tour of the room scene is put back in.
- DC; Dialog extended as Lex and Eve head north to include “Ice and snow is this your idea of a good time”.
- RKS; Inserted scene of villains making havoc on Krypton.
- LC; No possibility for Parol is put back in.
- LC; Included a shot of Eve walking away.
- DC; Music cue added as lex thinks out loud with toilet flush removed.
- DC; Rescuing boy at Niagara Falls however I removed dialog “oh course he’s Jewish”.
- LC; Shot put back in of Superman landing behind the stall followed his confrontation with Lois.
- DC; Villains landing/Ursa and the snake
- DC; Blank Bullets scene
- DC; Encounter with the Sheriff features additional LC footage and RKS audio with "holy skunk sweat" dialog removed.
- DC; Lovers fly north
- LC; Villains encounter with the people of East Idaho features RKS audio playing over the first half of the scene. Cut away from “these human are beginning to bore me" to LC Supes shows Lois around the fortress, minus crystal being left on the floor.
- DC; Television crew shows up features some additional LC footage.
- DC; Cut from “Where’s Superman, and why doesn’t he do something” to LC Supes and Lois having dinner.
- DC; Non catching rocket, then cut from “Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me” to DC Supes and Lois in Bed.
- DC; Zod speech which LC audio.
- DC; Fall of Washington monument/Depowering scene
- Replaced DC Whitehouse shot with LC villains fly over the Whitehouse.
- DC; Villains in the Whitehouse
- DC; Diner scene fades into Clark’s trek to the fortress.
- DC; Replaced Reeve’s delivery of “father” with that from the LC.
- DC; For Lex at the Whitehouse, I opened with Ursa playing with the revolving planets gizmo, thus Non's confused reaction with his toy is scraped.
- DC; Back at the Daily planet
- DC; Music added to the Daily Planet invasion.
- LC; Door knob line put back in.
- DC; Lex’s end dialog at the planet “You ought to have that thing fixed”, is removed.
- Supes return uses mostly DC footage but features Thorne music and “would you care to step outside”.
- DC; “I’m not a coward” audio has been fixed.
- DC; Battle/To the Fortress
- DC; Music replaced after Superman crushes Zod’s hand in the Fortress of Solitude. Makes it more uplifting.
- Artic patrol scene minus “Smallville strongboy”.
- DC; Destroy fortress/Break-up scene/Dropping Lois back home
- LC; Memory kiss but ends with a dissolve from a dizzy Lois to a sun setting shot (from Superman IV), to a day shot of Metropolis.
- DC: Back at the daily Planet, go get the Pizza scene.
- Clark and Jimmy by the elevator.
- DC; Return to the Diner with LC audio.
- LC; Supes returns flag using RKS’s restored shot of the fountains moving.
- LC Fly over, DC fly bye
- DC; End titles with Thorne score.
THE END
DVD PAL 122min
Anyone wishing to see this cut need only ask, though a trade is allways appreciated.
;D
