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Post by ye5man on Nov 16, 2011 18:44:30 GMT -5
Their YouTube vids comments are moderated ;D
My goodness, their egos are going to take a fucking battering in the real World
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 16, 2011 19:20:14 GMT -5
Well, that just means that there's going to be more of a level playing field--- from those posts that are real criticisms on their page, versus anonymous pot-shots. Nothing wrong with that..... I always say that if someone can say something negative to someone's face, it's better than anonymously. I'm sure that the filmmakers (and the actors and crew) get the message about how many people feel about his film at this point, moderated or not. Funny thing is, if his next film was a masterpiece, then everything else he did would be forgiven and he'd be worshipped. The public seems like that.  |
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Post by Jimbo on Nov 16, 2011 19:30:48 GMT -5
Well, that just means that there's going to be more of a level playing field--- from those posts that are real criticisms on their page, versus anonymous pot-shots. Nothing wrong with that..... I always say that if someone can say something negative to someone's face, it's better than anonymously. Huh? If anything negative is removed, that gives the appearance that all the reactions are positive. Not level at all.  Posts on their website, YouTube comments, same thing. But....people do tend to be more crass on YouTube, so I'll give you that. ;D What is this YouTube page of which you speak? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 16, 2011 19:38:53 GMT -5
I think I didn't phrase it accurately.... I should have said that it imbalances things in the other direction--- but then again, since he & his investors paid for everything, and the viewer nothing--- maybe it's fair in that way (sorta/kinda). Maybe there should be a different feature on youtube where you have to paypal a $1 to a charity if you want to leave a negative comment that can't be moderated. That way, maybe everyone wins. |
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Post by Jimbo on Nov 16, 2011 19:48:05 GMT -5
;D
That's like saying you can't criticize the government unless you vote. Not the same thing though. We pay the government, and this fan film is free to the public.
When you release something to the public, the public earns the right to criticize it, favorably or unfavorably. Nature of the beast. If it were a private thing distributed among friends, then openly criticizing it would be in bad taste.
They have every right to censor the reactions though. It just doesn't reflect well on them doing so.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 16, 2011 20:10:02 GMT -5
Excellent points, Jimbo.... although my own feelings about the internet make me feel that 'free speech' on the internet is twisted in a sense because it's TOO 'free'--to a point of giant abuse that gives too much advantage to those with ill intent- but I know how ridiculous that sounds, too... how can 'free speech' be 'too' free? Anyhow..... you might not want to get me started on that, as I'm open to discussion, but it's a topic I could rant on for hours--- but I hear what you're saying. Well said, sir.  |
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Post by Jimbo on Nov 16, 2011 20:13:52 GMT -5
Internet free speech wouldn't be so bad if you had to put your name on everything....well, maybe not. Look no further than sites like Lamebook or Failbook. ;D
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Post by ye5man on Nov 17, 2011 5:35:16 GMT -5
In other words. Criticism = anonymous Anything else = not anonymous Seems to me you're saying negative responses are less valid than positive ones and if you want to provide a genuine response that happens to be negative then you must pay for it WTF? The votes are unanimous in this thread, which must say something. I'm not even sure why you[re saying this stuff, unless you're one of the 100 funders producers |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 18, 2011 0:32:25 GMT -5
It's not the negative response, it's HOW it's delivered/what the real intent of the communication is. Someone can be a jerk with the nicest of words, another person can mean well but sound terrible.
Besides, if the person offering up the free meal paid for it first, that they thought was delicious--- then the person who chews it, and spits it out at the cook and says its terrible can pay something in return.
And no, I'm not an investor nor a producer for Gene Fallaize's film. It's just not easy for me to kick someone while they're on the ground, or if they have a mob already there with pitchforks ready to burn their house to the ground (metaphorically).
He tried to do a great Superman film. In our eyes, he didn't succeed. I'm just tipping the hat for trying, and admire the cajones to do so. It's not the best fan film, nor the worst out there.
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Post by ye5man on Nov 18, 2011 5:11:24 GMT -5
Maybe they should not advertise their crap as semi professional, ask people for funding and promise more than they could deliver. Next time, a little humility guys. Honesty is always better in long run; plus they are clearly in denial regarding feedback
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Post by Rod on Nov 18, 2011 8:20:52 GMT -5
they could use all the money they spent in a 10 minutes trailler of actually good stuff.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Nov 18, 2011 9:21:24 GMT -5
They even took the "thing" to Cannes.
Were I a cynical person, I would nearly suggest they asked for funding for a fan movie so they could get a trip to Cannes...
...but of course I am not a cynical person.
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Post by ye5man on Nov 18, 2011 9:31:28 GMT -5
HAHA!! Really? I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at that screening!
I don't think JJ Abrahams has much to worry about here
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Post by SamH9303 on Nov 24, 2011 4:37:02 GMT -5
From the Q&A on the Superman Homepage site, it's clear this guy is not interested in any constructive criticism, or as he often refers to as ''negative/jealousy''. Dont worry buddy, no one is jealous of you. It's obvious he started the project with this attitude and surrounded himself with 'yes' men which is why the film turned out the way it is
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Post by ye5man on Nov 24, 2011 5:21:18 GMT -5
What the fuck is there to be jealous about?
Why do so many people think "making movies" is the only thing in life pursuing? I can't think of another industry I'd want no part in. The collective ego, stress and workload must be horrendous.
and when you fail as hard as these guys have, the whole World knows about it ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 24, 2011 12:18:41 GMT -5
Although I have a number of friends that are/have been pursuing this as a career..... I'm glad my nieces and nephews have no interest whatsoever in following the same path. I know enough people that have lost their marriages/home over 'chasing the dream' so to speak. I guess as an addiction, film is better than heroin, but..... I'd almost argue a gambling addiction might be a less dangerous or damaging one- at least there are better odds of getting your money back with gambling!  (*As an aside, feel worse for some of the actors; It's hard to know what's worse: trying to be a filmmaker + failing or trying to be an actor + failing. A filmmaker can change his name, but the actors' faces are on youtube forever for this) There are millions (probably) of bad films by hopeful dreamers- (I know I've made more than my share of them myself)- but I think the good/bad of Gene Fallaize tackling a film based on a character that's so well loved, is that there's very little room for mistakes--- worse if you tell the world it's a professional production and want to be judged by that criteria. (kind of like putting a target on one's chest, giving passerbys a loaded gun, and daring them to shoot you) If a multimillion dollar film like Superman Returns could be heckled and hazed from Kate Bosworth's weight to special effects- then an amateur film on Superman with little money is even more of an open target. Sadly, I might be wrong, but if Fallaize had adapted an existing comic book story, he might have been better off and he might have been cut more slack. Trying to gain support for his screenwriting and low budget and being asked to be treated as a professional while also delivering compromised product is a lot to ask the public. Or, if he had created his own superhero character and not tried to tie it into Superman, it might have been even given more slack, I think. Anyhow.....I still think it's admirable for the effort + the size of ambition + completing the damn thing, but in terms of connecting with the audience- even Richard Donner said about the Salkinds, with STM- that he preferred STM to be discovered word of mouth, that the Salkinds' marketing campaign was like a comedian getting in front of a room of comedians and shouting, "Now, I'm going to tell you the funniest joke in the world!"--- Only thing with STM was: Donner delivered, but if he was worried about putting audience's expectations too high with a mega movie budget--- then at least Fallaize might take a lesson with a project of much lesser money. He gambled, gambled big, but he loses with his own funds. On the flip side, if he learns lessons on this, is humble, takes constructive feedback from this, and makes a better film later on, it'd be a win for everybody..... but only if the right lessons are learned. To get through amateur filmmaking, I agree that it's too much work NOT to be obsessed with the project--- or even be self-deluded about its worth during the process to get it actually done--- but now that the dust is settled and its finished, I find myself mildly curious if he did take any of the potential lessons to heart on why the project didn't work for a lot of folks at the end. Will see... but, for himself, hopefully he was able to make the film he wanted. Who knows.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 13:16:07 GMT -5
One of the things I've learned in the real world is that you have to have a firm grasp of your own strengths and weaknesses. You can't spend too much time trying to be something you're not. That's not to say that you can't overcome odds; it's just that there's a difference between doggedly pursuing a difficult but attainable dream, and deluding yourself into thinking you can succeed at something that's clearly far beyond your grasp. If you love singing, but kind of suck at it, have the grace to accept that limitation and move on with your life- otherwise, you'll get a harsh wake up call when you show up on the season premiere of American Idol.
Gene Fellaize is not a good filmmaker. He never will be. If he has people who truly care about him, they need to explain that to him before he wastes a bunch of time and money on his next "film." It's for his own good. Everyone needs to be fed harsh truth from time to time.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 24, 2011 17:04:50 GMT -5
That's very rational thinking....but it's not exactly a rational world. In my time, I've known people who seemed to have everything 'right' to succeed, and then you catch up with them 20 years later to see how much they have failed--- and people who I'd dismissed/written off who succeeded to everyone's shock around them. Life has so many ridiculous exceptions and variables, who the heck knows? Can you explain why Uwe Boll gets to be a filmmaker? Or how he actually gets to have a career at it? There's a phrase: "Advice is foolish. Smart men don't need it, fools won't heed it." Being told by someone that they love they'll never succeed has rarely been good for relationships. My own reminders to myself when I have severe doubts about a friend's path is: "if I don't plan to support them, if they're headstrong about it, then the best thing is not get in their way, and ask oneself what's more important- the friendship or you stating how right you are and wrong they are.... because that's all that'll ultimately will be heard." Knowing filmmakers who have mixed levels of quality---- sometimes the delusion of quality is the only escape from situations that are truly miserable that can't be overcome. It would be nice if life were a straight line, but from what I've observed of life situations (and life situations of friends and acquaintences), it seems to me that life is anything but. Given that ambiguity, is anyone really in a position of authority to say who will forever be a winner or a loser at what they love? Again, Uwe Boll. If he can succeed in filmmaking, then in theory it means it's not impossible for anyone to. |
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Post by ye5man on Dec 20, 2011 5:59:04 GMT -5
THIS is how you do a fanfilm
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Post by upandaway on Dec 21, 2011 16:22:16 GMT -5
I spent last weekend downloading and then watching this.
I kind of liked it. It is what it is. A fan film. Yeah it could have been a little better. Some ropey acting. Some of the effects could have been a little bit better etc etc but at least they tried something that they wanted to do.
Good on them I say.
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Post by Gandy on Jan 19, 2012 16:47:11 GMT -5
I finally watched a few minutes of it. No comment. I never recommend anyone make fanfilms! Make something original! You're just asking for trouble no matter how sincere you are. What a waste of money. What the fuck is there to be jealous about? Why do so many people think "making movies" is the only thing in life pursuing? I can't think of another industry I'd want no part in. The collective ego, stress and workload must be horrendous. and when you fail as hard as these guys have, the whole World knows about it ;D To be involved in the film industry requires a lot of dedication, but if you love cinema, and I mean, you really love it, then there's nothing else like it. All businesses endeavors have their fair share of egos, stress, and HARD work. You definitely lose a chunk of your life pursuing this dream and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't willing to give up other activities to pursue a role in the film biz. |
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Post by ye5man on Jan 19, 2012 16:53:28 GMT -5
The same can be said of any industry though. Even a small bakery business requires life commitment and hard work.
I'm not informed, but its my opinion that many want to "be in the movies" for the money and so called glamour. Tinsletown sell the image; I reckon real life is much different.
If I was too be successful in the industry, I'd choose writing to anything else. I'd visit the set for an hour then fuck off back to England ;D
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Post by Jimbo on Jan 20, 2012 12:42:16 GMT -5
I finally watched a few minutes of it. No comment. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2012 13:53:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Gandy's a far classier cat than I. ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 20, 2012 14:10:22 GMT -5
One Hollywood producer said in an interview that the odds of doing any other type of business makes way more business sense. Seems like.
A good number of friends of mine have gone to Hollyweird years ago; only one person actually had any significant success to speak of. A good chunk of them did romanticize the lifestyle and freedom- and liked the gypsy-like life of joining a project for a short term, getting paid for it, then looking for another gig- hand to mouth.
The really diligent ones of the group socialized some, but were more intent on writing screenplays, working on projects on the side learning the tedious stuff in hopes of moving up the ladder (sorta/kinda- as there doesn't seem to be a real logical ladder in Hwood)--- but for them, it IS about trying to create a movie that they're proud of.
So.... yeah, I don't have statistics at all, but for those I know that just want to 'hang around' and enjoy the life (or what they see as the life)--- I shrug my shoulders when they do what they do.
But, when there's someone that picks a crazy project, and does all the crapwork required for it that none of the party people want to do (raising money, calling up actors to show up, cleaning the set, etc. etc.)--- then I tip my hat, regardless of how nutty the project is.
Usually with these things, most of the people are along for the ride, but the guy/gal who has to pick up the tab & the shitework to take it to the finish line- I give that person credit for putting his/her effort into what they said they could do.
Like I say, I run into far too many 'I woulda done this, I woulda done that, but I don't need to prove it by lifting a finger' folks in my real life- that the guy got it done. If he continues, he'll potentially get better. If he doesn't continue, whether it's a good/bad result, he got the sucker done and had to be financially responsible for it.
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