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Post by Super Sebastian on Aug 18, 2008 18:10:53 GMT -5
Hi: I never see this interview of Chris talking about Superman and all the movies and the way that he see and like that others see his Superman. link www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkcLRL9cBtk |
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Post by HOSNI on Aug 19, 2008 1:24:48 GMT -5
Thanks Sebastian, I enjoyed that. Particularly how Chris back-peddled after indicating that nobody died in the Superman movies.
Harry in STM
The kid in SII who 'will never become a man' (although not in the theatrical cut)
(Richard Pryors credibility died, and Margots good looks died after STM) ;D
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Post by Ollie W on Aug 19, 2008 7:22:58 GMT -5
Thanks for that Sebastian!
Really special interview.
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Post by capedwonder on Aug 19, 2008 17:30:09 GMT -5
VERY special Sebastian...thank you!
I will post it on CapedWonder.com
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Post by ye5man on Aug 20, 2008 8:21:58 GMT -5
Nobody died in STM - no, just the whole planet Krypton, Jon Kent, Harry the cop, and we watch Lois suffocate to death from dirt in her own car.
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Post by Legsy on Aug 20, 2008 9:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Voorhees007 on Aug 20, 2008 11:18:14 GMT -5
Great interview, thanks! It`s good to hear him talking about Superman 3 like that, I always knew he had issues with it but never heard him talk like that about it. Fair play to him for saying it though, you get a fair few actors that don`t like to say bad things about something they were in. Oh, and the best part of the movie was his idea!! Anymore interviews where he gives us his real thoughts on Superman 4 after all the dust has settled?  |
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Post by Legsy on Aug 20, 2008 11:26:42 GMT -5
He once wrote in a book, "the less we talk about Superman IV, the better". He obviously wasn't pleased with the outcome.
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Post by adam15 on Aug 21, 2008 18:17:55 GMT -5
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Post by Krypton Refugee on Aug 21, 2008 19:16:32 GMT -5
I hope this is a fucking joke... |
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Post by Ollie W on Aug 22, 2008 1:25:06 GMT -5
If this is a joke then it's a very distasteful one. Shame on you for dishonouring Reeve's legacy as an activist to the disabled. Say what you want about Superman IV but no one involved in a production is EVER going to degrade their own movie prior to it's release. The point I think Chris was trying to get across was that graphic violence was never portrayed as glamorous in the Superman films. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 22, 2008 1:51:31 GMT -5
Adam, that was in very poor taste.
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Post by matt on Aug 22, 2008 2:20:50 GMT -5
Wow your a real nice guy Adam   |
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Post by adam15 on Aug 22, 2008 23:07:29 GMT -5
 What the heck are you guy talking about!? I just think Reeve wasn't at the top of his game that's all. And who hasn't wanted to kick around that old SIV tape now and again? Now you gotta admit it's pretty absurd for him to say we should look forward to SIV... . Either he was mistaken about the films quality or he was being deliberately deceptive by saying we should look forward to it We also looked forward to another event in Reeves life, and were disappointed. You may think that this analogy is what a newly-reformed poster says is uncalled for. However I see no reason why we can't utitilize black humor every now and again. Read Still Me; Chris Reeve laughed at the true story of a woman becoming paralysed after falling off her portche in a vain attempt to save her dog. It made him feel better about his own situation. I too am in a bad situation, my hero Chris Reeve had a horrible accident and ultimately died. I merely took the unfortunate event of Superman IV to soothe my real life disappointment over Reeves fate. Now lets talk about stem cells............ Chris Reeve was in support of using human embryos to harvest their stem cells. When an embryo is harvested it either dies or expires, killed or harvested depending on your abortion views. That people of identical positions as Reeve would "like to kill" human embryos is a legitiment opinion of mine. I don't think Reeve is a killer, I just don't see embryos the same way he does. He doesn't like to kill anything, because he does not define harvesting an embryo as killing it, but I do! Therefore it is my opinion that since Reeve liked to "harvest" human embryos a pro-life person might substitute harvest with "killing". So he doesn't believe that a human embryo is a life right? Okay so he was technically right (in his opinion) that no one dies in Superman IV. I was just pointing about , that I thought that Chris was also wrong about no one dying in Superman IV, I think Nuclear Man was human, he was born and he died. Now before I suffer your slings and arrows, I should tell you all that I admire Christopher Reeve and hate that he died. But SIV man that was one aspect of Reeve's work that was just plain BAAAAD. BTW Reeve hated SIV too cause it killed his career, he didn't even want to talk about it in Still Me.
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Post by ye5man on Aug 23, 2008 7:07:28 GMT -5
I always felt sorry for Reeve promoting IV after Cannon shafted WB and knowing full well it was going to tank
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Post by Martin-El on Aug 23, 2008 14:00:14 GMT -5
I don't know what kind of actor would sit in an interview in advance of its release and trash it no matter what the circumstances were. Why dissuade anybody from seeing the movie and in turn jeapordize his livelihood? 'Plugging' is the dominant reason actors are 'interviewed' anyway.
Reeve's point was that regardless of anything else, his 'Superman' movies were suitable for all and a welcome alternative to the surge of violent movies at the time.
That's as much as I can muster in response to Adam15's posts before I go into a diabetic coma from reading them.
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Post by adam15 on Aug 24, 2008 20:59:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry guys but I'm still upset that Chris Reeve was lying in this interview. He didn't HAVE to say we should look forward to Superman IV. He could have just said that they tried to get back the spirit of the original and that he hopes that fans like it. What if a poor single mother used her last bit of money to take her kids to see Superman IV hoping they would find some enjoyment? Imagine the disappointment! Reeve KNEW that this movie was a mess and he even told Jon Cryer!!! The justification for this blatant falsehood was that Reeve was going through personal problems at the time and dealing with depession. He really hoped deep down that Superman IV could be a good movie but he knew it wasn't. I'm sorry but this is no excuse.
Here's another thing; do you think the quality of SIV was out of Reeve's hands? Do you think it waas crap only because of the 45 minutes that were cut and the SFX sucks?? Well, we've seen most of the extra footage and it's shit. We also know that no amount of $$ will save a fundamentily bad movie. The movie sucked it was always going to suck and Reeve knew it and had the audacity to say we should look forward to it. Ugh... where's General Zod when you need him? Maybe he could somehow make me like the abomination that is SUperman IV.
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Post by matt on Aug 24, 2008 21:32:55 GMT -5
I think the member's of the forum should take up an collection to pay for Adam's and the single mom's ticket, Since Christopher Reeve stole there money, I'm sure he was under contract to promote, and talk postitive about the movie. No actor wants to make a bad movie.
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Post by matt on Aug 24, 2008 21:38:04 GMT -5
Back in 1997 George Clooney was on Jay Leno saying how great Batman and Robin was. All actors talk good about ther movies while promoting them. Its part of there job.
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Post by matt on Aug 24, 2008 22:27:37 GMT -5
Most of Star Trek TNG cast said good things about there movies while promoting them. In interviews over the years most cast members then said negative things about the TNG movies.
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Post by adam15 on Aug 25, 2008 3:49:17 GMT -5
Yea but I have definitely received my moneys worth with Reeves other movies so it'll slide.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 25, 2008 13:24:13 GMT -5
Awesome interview! Thanks for sharing this Super-Sebastian!
About Reeve promoting Superman IV:
Note that there's no date on WHEN the interview took place.... Therefore, it's quite possible that Reeve promoted Superman IV either prior to shooting (or prior to finding out how badly it all turned out), when Reeve was enthusiastic about returning the quality to the Superman series.
He says "look forward to it" in reference to Superman IV....but that doesn't mean necessarily that the movie was FINISHED by the time of the interview!
I'd hold off on assuming Reeve is guilty of lying until all the facts are in on WHEN he found out the movie would turn out to be a creative disappointment- and WHEN this interview took place...
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Post by Super Sebastian on Aug 26, 2008 9:39:57 GMT -5
Two things: 1. Reeve really believe that he can make after Superman III, a much better movie in Superman IV, and comeback to the line that Donner show in the first two movies, and I think Chris woudl do an amazing movie if the company were a profecinal one and not one like canonthat make so bad movies, and if they dont use a lot fo money for superman to make other ugly movies that they made superman IV can be a much better movie, even with the mediocre director that they get.
But what happen later is another history, I thing someone should make an articule call Superman IV what could be, and it was not, thinking in the real intentions of was Chris have for that movie.
I think there were a lot of problems with Kanon, the money and the director, that is why superman IV was so bad, there were a lot of irregularities that were beyond of what Chris wanted to do.
And 2 : wen Chris says after compare with Rambo and other violent movies, is that not body was killed or murder in the Superman movies that he made.
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Post by adam15 on Aug 27, 2008 3:01:35 GMT -5
that's exactly right super sebastian!! Finally someone here is understanding what I'm trying to say. Reeve would have made Superman 4 better than 3 if he could, the problem is 4 sucked anyway despite his best efforts! Canon is partly to blame, however, we cannot give Reeve a "reprieve" just yet. Mankewitcz TOLD him not to do the plot of disarming the world but Reeve choose to disobey his advice. Now, this implies that Reeve thought that he knew better than Mank so he DELIBERATLY DISOBEYED him. Now, anyone who would go out of their way to not heed the holy and perfect advice of Mankewtizc needs to be held to a higher level of scrutiny. We blame the Salkinds about not listening to Donner they are indeed guilty of completely ruining Superman II beyond any level of comprehension. So we can logically assume that not only was Reeve not accurately representing Superman 4's quality but it was his own fault that it sucked. However, we as loyal Reeve fans need to somehow come up with conclusive proof that Reeve only knew AFTER this interview that Superman IV was going to Suck. THEN we need to somehow show that somehow perhaps with divine intervention SUperman 4 COULD have been good even with the nulear disarm story. Thus Reeve could be forgiven for saying 'heck no" to Mank because his story could have been good IN THEORY! Bottom line: did Reeve know that S4 sucked yes or no and is it theoretically possible that SUperman IV could have been good with Reeve's idea.
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Post by Ollie W on Aug 27, 2008 20:53:43 GMT -5
Superman disarming the world of nuclear weapons was never the problem with Superman IV. I still get teary eyed whenever I watch the UN scene.
Mank was wrong just as he is wrong for his reasons for not liking the magic kiss scene in Superman II. Having Superman involved in political issues does not break the rules if it is done tastefully. Here it was particularly because at the conclusion of the film Superman realises that right or wrong he must allow the people of earth to make their own decisions. And he is not above them, especially since he now considers himself one of them.
Chris deserves absolutely NO blame for the failure of Superman IV. He did his upmost best to bring an honesty back to the Superman films (following S3), and his idea for having Superman intervene with earths problems was both bold and timely.
I pin almost all of the blame on WB, who after STM did absolutely nothing to preserve the integrity of the series. Their lack of respect for a character of their property is disgraceful. Even if the film was being produced by another studio, Superman still has their name on it. WB should have intervened and saved the movie from certain failure, regardless of how disappointed they were with Cannon.
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