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Post by ChrisM on Jul 2, 2013 11:15:31 GMT -5
I can understand why people think it's too fast Chris, but I suppose when you've got super powered beings with that speed it's going to be fast, that's something we didn't see much of in SII. There's one part in MOS I liked I'm betting most people didn't, it's when he's flying after Zod and making very quick turns round some buildings, it IS quite tricky to follow, but I thought it was kinda cool. The funny thing is, Snyder could have made it easier to follow by using his old favourite, the slow mo cam. I think it's a 2-fold issue - one is that the human brain can't process images that are too fast... and two - it doesn't allow for any nuances, build-up, or subplots to the "battle" if it's just wall-to-wall mindless punching (I'm getting a neat flashback to Mike Tyson's Knockout on the original Nintendo  . Anyway, the SII metropolis fight, in spite of its own flaws, had a logical progression, you could see strategy unfold, there were pauses where things could breathe... and there was a palpable sense of danger to the innocents. Super-powered beings don't have to zip around like wasps and bounce around like ping pongs with no sense of weight. I feel that MOS was doing that simply because it can, not because there is some golden rule that they should. I get that we can and should use CGI to improve on the limitations of physical in-camera effects and wire-work... but the "creative" doors that CGI opens are used capriciously and taken to the extreme where the actor is denied any opportunity to imprint his personality. We could substitute Routh, Reeve, or Ronald Reagan in the MOS metropolis battle and it would have zero difference on the impact. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 2, 2013 11:20:56 GMT -5
Agreed. You can give Superman doubts fears and other relatable character elements without making him a silent stoic emotionally cut off loner. They're trying to make Superman a batman. But that's not who he is. While trying to make him relatable in the way fhey have they've made him yet another generic movie superhero. Xmen did the same type of stuff far better. He has ZERO "doubts and fears" once he puts on the suit. From the minute he takes flight, he just rolls up his sleeves and gets the job done. There is nothing "emotionally cut off loner" about him. He defends his mother's honor, saves Smallville, saves various soldiers, destroys the world engine, saves Metropolis as best he can, kisses the girl, etc etc. He has ZERO crisis of conscience once he becomes Superman, unlike what we got in SR or even Superman II. Talk about an "emotionally cut off loner!" Certain part of it is intrinsic to a character that is an ALIEN WHO LIVES ALONE AT THE NORTH POLE IN HIS FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE, but MoS does one of the best jobs of portraying a Superman that, despite his alien nature, is very much human. I keep going back to JLU. They did more to give Superman depth and making him flawed in any two episodes than MOS did in two hours. Even when it was his side and green arrows side arguing about the kind of power a group like the Justice League wields and if the government has a right to be afraid. And they did more with the implications of Superman killing Luthor in similar circumstances than MOS did. That other Superman had no choice either but on that show his actions were a huge story point. Like I said you build up to something like that and play off the aftermath Wait, you just said "they're trying to make Superman a batman, that's not who he is" but then you celebrate JLU for giving Superman "depth and making him flawed." LIke, say, Batman? Having doubts and fears is called being a living thing and they aren't exclusive to Batman. Get a clue. That also doesn't mean Superman has to be an overly serious non talkative emo case with a gross wanderer beard. Lots of superheroes and characters have doubts and flaws without being Batman. Spider-Mans no Batman neither is Green Lantern. Big shock I know. And I know he can have zero doubts and fears and certain points in the movie. Not my point. I also said he can not be a mute with the personality of wet toast one minute then go to a fist with a cape in the next. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 2, 2013 11:23:42 GMT -5
a character that is an ALIEN WHO LIVES ALONE AT THE NORTH POLE  It's all starting to make sense now. The reindeer are from Krypton - which explains why they fly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 11:33:07 GMT -5
I can understand why people think it's too fast Chris, but I suppose when you've got super powered beings with that speed it's going to be fast, that's something we didn't see much of in SII. There's one part in MOS I liked I'm betting most people didn't, it's when he's flying after Zod and making very quick turns round some buildings, it IS quite tricky to follow, but I thought it was kinda cool. The funny thing is, Snyder could have made it easier to follow by using his old favourite, the slow mo cam. I think it's a 2-fold issue - one is that the human brain can't process images that are too fast... and two - it doesn't allow for any nuances, build-up, or subplots to the "battle" if it's just wall-to-wall mindless punching (I'm getting a neat flashback to Mike Tyson's Knockout on the original Nintendo . Anyway, the SII metropolis fight, in spite of its own flaws, had a logical progression, you could see strategy unfold, there were pauses where things could breathe... and there was a palpable sense of danger to the innocents. Super-powered beings don't have to zip around like wasps and bounce around like ping pongs with no sense of weight. I feel that MOS was doing that simply because it can, not because there is some golden rule that they should. I get that we can and should use CGI to improve on the limitations of physical in-camera effects and wire-work... but the "creative" doors that CGI opens are used capriciously and taken to the extreme where the actor is denied any opportunity to imprint his personality. We could substitute Routh, Reeve, or Ronald Reagan in the MOS metropolis battle and it would have zero difference on the impact. It wasn't all like that though. The bit where they're actually on the ground, Zod kicks the Lexcor truck towards Superman and he floats in between the two separate parts of it, I thought that stuff was excellent. When he goes flying through some empty building, Zod lasersthe whole place and the ground gives way beneath Superman and he floats before moving forwards after Zod again, I thought that stuff was cool. It was just that initial part where they take flight where it was all very quick CGI shots from distance. you're right about build up though, I said that was something that bugged me about MOS, there's not enough big moments, like Superman catching the top of the Empire state kind of thing. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 2, 2013 11:34:53 GMT -5
Beard's all wrong. Sent from my SPH-D710 using proboards And Santa would never have a red suit that dark. Looks like evil Santa from Santa Clause III. This movie is terrible. The storyline is a copy of the Salkinds first movie. |
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Post by atp on Jul 2, 2013 11:52:35 GMT -5
Here is how I would arrange the flashbacks in MoS. 1) Keep the school/world's too big flashback where it is. 2) Remove the school bus flashback and save for later. So in other words, go directly from Clark stealing the clothes to the part where he is working in the bar. 3) When the retard trucker pours beer on his head and he closes his eyes, cut to the bullying flashback where young Clark doesn't fight back. When Jonathan says, "Whoever that man is, he's going to change the world" cut back to Clark in the bar. He opens his eyes and the retard says, "Oh! There he is!". 4) In the arctic, once Clark discovers the buried spaceship, cut to the flashback where Jonathan Kent takes him to the cellar and shows him the ship that he arrived in. Once that scene is over and we see young Clark looking at the "S" on the key, cut back to the present. 5) Remove the tornado crap scene totally. It's a stupid scene, and we don't need to see how Jonathan dies at all. It's enough that we see his grave and know that he has died. Instead, do this: - Clark says, "My father believed that if the world found out who I really was, they'd reject me, out of fear." - Cut to the school bus rescue flashback. - Stop the flashback where Clark says, "Is she right?" "Tell me!" (i.e. omit where he asks, "Did God do this to me"?) - Cut back to the cemetery and have Clark say, "He was convinced that the world wasn't ready. What do you think?" This sequencing would keep themes together. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree pretty much with all of those editorial changes. Flow would be more congruent, with a purpose if you will. Why can't you believe you're saying this?  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 2, 2013 11:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 2, 2013 12:20:11 GMT -5
An element of this film we have seriously overlooked is ...
Kittens.
We cannot afford a kitten-thread gap!
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 2, 2013 12:27:11 GMT -5
Do you want the president the united states to be having a meeting in front of the world leaders and have his ball point pen bust open and Kitty Litter to fall out all over his nice clean clothes?
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Post by MerM on Jul 2, 2013 12:42:13 GMT -5
We cannot afford a kitten-thread gap! Sir! I have a plan... MEIN FUHRER! I CAN VALK! |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 2, 2013 12:43:38 GMT -5
Its true about catnip.
Makes em nutty as heck.
But don't overdue it. Its bad if you overdue.
Plus a lot of kitten jobs require a piss test to screen drug use so if you want that bum to get a job...
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Post by atp on Jul 2, 2013 16:15:41 GMT -5
I can understand why people think it's too fast Chris, but I suppose when you've got super powered beings with that speed it's going to be fast, that's something we didn't see much of in SII. There's one part in MOS I liked I'm betting most people didn't, it's when he's flying after Zod and making very quick turns round some buildings, it IS quite tricky to follow, but I thought it was kinda cool. The funny thing is, Snyder could have made it easier to follow by using his old favourite, the slow mo cam. I think it's a 2-fold issue - one is that the human brain can't process images that are too fast... and two - it doesn't allow for any nuances, build-up, or subplots to the "battle" if it's just wall-to-wall mindless punching (I'm getting a neat flashback to Mike Tyson's Knockout on the original Nintendo . Anyway, the SII metropolis fight, in spite of its own flaws, had a logical progression, you could see strategy unfold, there were pauses where things could breathe... and there was a palpable sense of danger to the innocents. Super-powered beings don't have to zip around like wasps and bounce around like ping pongs with no sense of weight. I feel that MOS was doing that simply because it can, not because there is some golden rule that they should. I get that we can and should use CGI to improve on the limitations of physical in-camera effects and wire-work... but the "creative" doors that CGI opens are used capriciously and taken to the extreme where the actor is denied any opportunity to imprint his personality. We could substitute Routh, Reeve, or Ronald Reagan in the MOS metropolis battle and it would have zero difference on the impact. Definitely agree that the final Superman vs Zod battle looked like a video game. The Metropolis battle in S2 (minus the crap slapstick, obviously) was much better. You could see what was going on, and everything looked and felt more real. With MoS, another problem was that Superman and Zod didn't really stand out against the background either. It was just a couple of fake CGI characters against a fake CGI background. They just got lost in the background. With S2, even though it is at night time, you can see the characters clearly, and they just look more solid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 16:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Jul 2, 2013 16:22:25 GMT -5
Incredible Hulk had the same problem of essentially having two cartoons slug it out in the city but even that fight was better put together in a dramatic sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 16:32:08 GMT -5
I only saw the first Santa Clause movie. I loved it. I used to be obsessed with Tim Allen when I was younger. His first book was hilarious. He's a pretty fucked up dude. Bad rep, too. Apparently is a massive prick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 16:48:37 GMT -5
I only saw the first Santa Clause movie. I loved it. I used to be obsessed with Tim Allen when I was younger. His first book was hilarious. He's a pretty fucked up dude. Bad rep, too. Apparently is a massive prick. Sent from my SPH-D710 using proboards Fuck Tim Allen. David Huddleston will always be Santa! Santa didn't exist until Huddleston played him! I'm a Huddleston fanboy! |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 2, 2013 18:26:47 GMT -5
I only saw the first Santa Clause movie. I loved it. I used to be obsessed with Tim Allen when I was younger. His first book was hilarious. He's a pretty fucked up dude. Bad rep, too. Apparently is a massive prick. Sent from my SPH-D710 using proboards So he was playing himself in "galaxy quest" ? Damn. That's actually priceless as he was the "shatner/kirk"... God that movie punks jj abrams. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 2, 2013 18:44:35 GMT -5
Similarly, I felt a good comparison with the original (Ep.4) Star Wars' original Death Star fight---which had all the buildup in the hangar with the pilots even putting on their helmets/etc. (*and must have been a good edit, as SW was nominated for best editing, too) - versus Phantom Menace's frenetic space battle with a pseudo-Death Star, where there's little to no buildup.
There weren't nearly as many special effects in the original as the more recent prequel... but the attention to the human factor there made people in the theatres grip their armchairs. Great effects should highlight the action and human drama underneath it, but not supplant it.... which I think was done in both cases, in different ways by how the action was staged/edited for MOS and PM.
There are bits that I feel are done right in MOS- but the relentless pace shoots itself in the foot, I think.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 3, 2013 9:59:59 GMT -5
I think the fact that movies make all their profit in opening weekend really diminishes the need to rely on good word of mouth. Sure it helps, but it's not the make-or-break that it was, say, 20 years ago when they didn't open in 10 million theaters. There's, simply put, less incentive to turn out a genuinely good film -- the industry is singly obsessed with hooking potential customers with their ad/marketing campaigns... as if the quality of the film itself is secondary to the bottom line.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 5, 2013 0:31:22 GMT -5
Well, I finally saw it. I was prepared for a piece of crap, and I was pleasantly surprised somewhat. I guess my overall impression was "it wasn't as bad as I thought". I thought the first half was pretty strong. I found myself disliking the movie once Clark becomes Superman, mainly due to the gratuitous action. 6/10 overall, I guess. Stuff I loved: - Cavill as Clark/Superman. He was great. Not at all the "brooding, Bruce Wayne-like" character described in reviews. He was charismatic and upbeat, though with some understandable baggage. - Adams as Lois. The writing for her was pretty good. Unlike Kidder and Bosworth, she actually seemed like a Pulitzer-winning journalist. Despite what I didn't like with this movie, the chemistry between her and Cavill make me eager to see sequels. - Jor-El guiding Lois through the ship, with her gunning down Kryptonians. That was pretty fun. - Christopher Meloni's character. Not just a dumb military guy, how refreshing. A shame he had to go, but he did go out in style. - Faora. I wish there was more of her. - Zod throws Superman into a sign that says "108 days since an accident". It's quick, but you can just barely notice that the 1 and 8 fall off to say "0 days since an accident". That was pretty funny. Stuff I hated: - The opening. Perhaps one of the most awkward and uncomfortable openings ever. From the awkward tight camera angles, I couldn't tell if it was a birth scene or if armored Jor-El was banging his wife, Excalibur-style. - Jonathan Kent's death. Well, I hated it and I liked it. I hate that he risked his life for a dog. I did like the moment between him and Clark where he tells him to stay away, that the world isn't ready yet. Also, it's long since been proven that hiding under an overpass during a tornado is a great way to get yourself killed. Putting that scenario in the movie perpetuates a false myth. - The gratuitous, repetitive action. We're treated to not one, but two action sequences that conclude with a Kryptonian losing the mask and unable to function, and needing to be rescued by the dropship. Then WTF was up with Superman fighting the tentacles? All that scene needed to be was him overcoming the beam and blowing up the gravity thingy. By the time they were fighting in space and Zod was chucking the satellite at Superman, I checked out. - Superman rescues Lois from imminent death 4 times I count. First by the sentry robot, then in re-entry, then as the plane is about to be shot down, and again when she falls out of the plane. I guess that last one counts as two imminent deaths because then Superman has to fly her clear of the implosion. Way too much peril. - Some very close similarities to other movies: - The exchange between teen Clark and Jonathan is pretty similar to the exchange between Peter and Uncle Ben in 2002 Spider-Man. Out of nowhere, the main character throws in the guy's face that he isn't his real father.....juuuuuust before the father character dies.
- At least two ripoffs of Star Trek '09. The bad guy and his crew have a ship but no home, and have nothing to do for decades but cruise space as they wait for revenge. The heroes save the day by flying one alien spaceship into the other, in order to create a black hole to throw the bad guys into another dimension. The bad guys were each shooting beams through the center of the Earth to destroy it (in different ways).
- Zod's plan was exactly the Decepticons' plan in Transformers: Dark of the Moon. First the villains leverage Earth to expel the hero (Autobots and Superman). Then each villain plants devices across the Earth in order to terraform the planet into their destroyed homeworld. There was also a Kryptonian ship that crashed in the Arctic tens of thousands of years ago. Just like Megatron in Transformers.
- The methods of destroying all life on a planet to turn it into another planet is basically the Genesis experiment from Star Trek II.
- The whole Metropolis battle scenes also felt reminiscent of The Avengers, which itself felt reminiscent of Transformers 3.
This movie left me with a lot of unanswered questions: - Why was the codex a homo erectus skull? - If the buried ship on Earth has been there 20,000 years, then why is there a Superman suit there ready for Clark? - Why did Krypton's destruction make all the colonies die out? Do they receive power wirelessly from the planet or something? Why was Zod's ship immune to all this? Shouldn't there be other Kryptonian spaceships out there? - If Lois' mind was scanned for information, why didn't they find about the key that Superman gave her? - Why did Superman give Zod hints to overcoming the sensory overload on Earth? Nice job getting rid of your advantage and empowering the villains, genius. - How the heck can Clark maintain a secret identity? Clark Kent = Superman seems like an even worse kept secret in MOS than in the show Smallville. For one thing, Lois called him Clark around other people. And then he tells General Stanwick that he grew up in Kansas. And it would also be pretty easy to put together where Clark's ship was stashed. - The movie went into such detail about Clark's birth, flight to Earth and key moments of his childhood. Yet they skipped the Kents discovering the spaceship? - Lois and Hamilton tell General Stanwick they can stop Zod's ship by shooting Clark's ship at it to create a black hole. I can't believe he wouldn't balk at the idea of opening a black hole. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 3:29:35 GMT -5
Well, I finally saw it. I was prepared for a piece of crap, and I was pleasantly surprised somewhat. I guess my overall impression was "it wasn't as bad as I thought". I thought the first half was pretty strong. I found myself disliking the movie once Clark becomes Superman, mainly due to the gratuitous action. 6/10 overall, I guess. Stuff I loved: - Cavill as Clark/Superman. He was great. Not at all the "brooding, Bruce Wayne-like" character described in reviews. He was charismatic and upbeat, though with some understandable baggage. - Adams as Lois. The writing for her was pretty good. Unlike Kidder and Bosworth, she actually seemed like a Pulitzer-winning journalist. Despite what I didn't like with this movie, the chemistry between her and Cavill make me eager to see sequels. - Jor-El guiding Lois through the ship, with her gunning down Kryptonians. That was pretty fun. - Christopher Meloni's character. Not just a dumb military guy, how refreshing. A shame he had to go, but he did go out in style. - Faora. I wish there was more of her. - Zod throws Superman into a sign that says "108 days since an accident". It's quick, but you can just barely notice that the 1 and 8 fall off to say "0 days since an accident". That was pretty funny. Stuff I hated: - The opening. Perhaps one of the most awkward and uncomfortable openings ever. From the awkward tight camera angles, I couldn't tell if it was a birth scene or if armored Jor-El was banging his wife, Excalibur-style. - Jonathan Kent's death. Well, I hated it and I liked it. I hate that he risked his life for a dog. I did like the moment between him and Clark where he tells him to stay away, that the world isn't ready yet. Also, it's long since been proven that hiding under an overpass during a tornado is a great way to get yourself killed. Putting that scenario in the movie perpetuates a false myth. - The gratuitous, repetitive action. We're treated to not one, but two action sequences that conclude with a Kryptonian losing the mask and unable to function, and needing to be rescued by the dropship. Then WTF was up with Superman fighting the tentacles? All that scene needed to be was him overcoming the beam and blowing up the gravity thingy. By the time they were fighting in space and Zod was chucking the satellite at Superman, I checked out. - Superman rescues Lois from imminent death 4 times I count. First by the sentry robot, then in re-entry, then as the plane is about to be shot down, and again when she falls out of the plane. I guess that last one counts as two imminent deaths because then Superman has to fly her clear of the implosion. Way too much peril. - Some very close similarities to other movies: - The exchange between teen Clark and Jonathan is pretty similar to the exchange between Peter and Uncle Ben in 2002 Spider-Man. Out of nowhere, the main character throws in the guy's face that he isn't his real father.....juuuuuust before the father character dies.
- At least two ripoffs of Star Trek '09. The bad guy and his crew have a ship but no home, and have nothing to do for decades but cruise space as they wait for revenge. The heroes save the day by flying one alien spaceship into the other, in order to create a black hole to throw the bad guys into another dimension. The bad guys were each shooting beams through the center of the Earth to destroy it (in different ways).
- Zod's plan was exactly the Decepticons' plan in Transformers: Dark of the Moon. First the villains leverage Earth to expel the hero (Autobots and Superman). Then each villain plants devices across the Earth in order to terraform the planet into their destroyed homeworld. There was also a Kryptonian ship that crashed in the Arctic tens of thousands of years ago. Just like Megatron in Transformers.
- The methods of destroying all life on a planet to turn it into another planet is basically the Genesis experiment from Star Trek II.
- The whole Metropolis battle scenes also felt reminiscent of The Avengers, which itself felt reminiscent of Transformers 3.
This movie left me with a lot of unanswered questions: - Why was the codex a homo erectus skull? - If the buried ship on Earth has been there 20,000 years, then why is there a Superman suit there ready for Clark? - Why did Krypton's destruction make all the colonies die out? Do they receive power wirelessly from the planet or something? Why was Zod's ship immune to all this? Shouldn't there be other Kryptonian spaceships out there? - If Lois' mind was scanned for information, why didn't they find about the key that Superman gave her? - Why did Superman give Zod hints to overcoming the sensory overload on Earth? Nice job getting rid of your advantage and empowering the villains, genius. - How the heck can Clark maintain a secret identity? Clark Kent = Superman seems like an even worse kept secret in MOS than in the show Smallville. For one thing, Lois called him Clark around other people. And then he tells General Stanwick that he grew up in Kansas. And it would also be pretty easy to put together where Clark's ship was stashed. - The movie went into such detail about Clark's birth, flight to Earth and key moments of his childhood. Yet they skipped the Kents discovering the spaceship? - Lois and Hamilton tell General Stanwick they can stop Zod's ship by shooting Clark's ship at it to create a black hole. I can't believe he wouldn't balk at the idea of opening a black hole. I admit to not seeing the third Transformers, so I can't speak to that stuff. However, because I'm a helpful guy, I can shed light on a few of your questions. The rest are plot holes I cannot account for. 1. I don't know why the codex was a homoerotic skull, but I got wood. 2. Okay, here's where the prequel comic and movie tie-in book help fill in some gaps. The movie explains that Kryptonians explored space, and the liquid metal display showed them flying flags with the El crest, which was also their "symbol for hope." So that symbol would be on all ships. The prequel comic explains that this particular scout ship was commanded by Kara Zor-El. The tie-in makes it clear that the suit was sitting there for 20,000 Earth years, not spontaneously created by holo-Jor-El upon meeting Kal-El. (Of course, one of the pods being empty alludes to the fact that someone got out. It's a Supergirl Easter Egg.) Personally, I don't like that I have to have three separate forms to make this make sense. They should have made this a bit more clear in the film. 3. Loss of power to the colonies? Plot hole. 4. Not knowing Lois had the El key? Plot hole. 5. Superman boasting like that is out of character. Glad I'm not the only one who was bothered by that. 6. Perry, Lombard, and Jenny were all close enough to see Superman at Ground Zero. No way they don't know he's Clark. But, this may be a giant fucking plot hole in the sequel. 7. I think this version of the origin has the largest ship I've ever seen. It's not something that Jonathan and Martha would have lifted up and put into the bed of a pickup. It's fucking huge. I was wondering how the heck they got it back and hidden. 8. I also found it amusing that no one bats an eye at opening a black hole on Earth. Huh. Guess I wasn't much help after all. Shit, dude, sorry I wasted your time. By the way, I wasn't pleased with Lois's narration, which was her reading the story she eventually leaked, to Perry. If that's how she wrote the story, I'd chop the shit out of it in edits before running it. I mean, ACTIVE VOICE. Jesus, why do script writers who write journalist characters have them write in passive voice? Shouldn't a screen writer know better? Fuck me, that's such an annoyance as a writer and former reporter. Active fucking voice! Fuck! |
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Post by Ollie W on Jul 5, 2013 3:56:03 GMT -5
I went back and read some of the early reviews in this thread. Thought Verisimilitude's, Metallo's and Mark Waids reviews were all very good.
I really want to enjoy this movie more but I just can’t get past the main issues that many critics seem to be having with this film.
I‘ll say one of the scenes that really bothers me is when Superman drops the satellite in front of the military general. He tells General Swanwick that he's here to help but that it has to be on my terms and that Swanwick needs to trust him. Such trust has to be earned. How about a few scenes of Superman rescuing some people from all the destruction he and Zod inflicted on the people of earth as a start?
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Post by Metallo on Jul 5, 2013 9:04:11 GMT -5
Jimbo makes some good points. the Clark/Jonathan relashionship reminded me more of Peter/Ben Parker too. More Star Trek 09 ripoffs than just that Jimbo!
The Megatron/Zod terraforming plan jumped out at me too. Same freakin thing. heck Megatron tried to do the exact same thing on the cartoon in the 80s fer cripes sakes. Tried to terraform earth into a new Cybertron. Couldn't we have a slightly new plan, bad guy?
I don't even see why Lois needed to be on the plane. Any fuckin body could have pushed that button. They should have at least emphasized she was embedded to cover the story too. Or she blackmailed them into going along to help and cover he story. Otherwise Hamilton could have done her job after she explained it.
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