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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 9, 2013 16:15:47 GMT -5
Sony may have pushed Sam Raimi too fast to do sequels for Spiderman-- But then again... Marvel (again Marvel!) seems to show you CAN do fast sequels with quality, with the right pre-planning and the right people.... (After all, Avengers could have been a complete disaster) And... WB seems to REALLY take its time with greenlighting superhero properties (and greenlighting sequels, too.... Couldn't they have pushed harder/faster for SR 2 if they really wanted to do so?) JLA, Wonder Woman, etc. etc. etc. Given those situations.... If MOS is a modest hit--- Will WB try to emulate successful models and try to be as good as Marvel Productions in making movies a little more effectively and faster? Or.... Will WB do the same 'business as usual' model and - outside of the Nolan Batmans - continue to take forever to come to decisions, a la Justice League? Anyone want to place bets? Personally, I'm hoping that MOS rocks (at least as far as I'm concerned, I'm selfish that way)  , is successful, and that they drop everything to get Snyder/Goyer going while the iron is hot. But..... JLA. Wonder Woman. Shazam. Green Lantern. I'm kind of suprised that investors haven't stormed the WB offices with pitchforks over all the lost potential earnings for all these years. Anyhow- any thoughts that things will be different this time if it's a modest hit? |
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Post by theoj on May 10, 2013 17:23:45 GMT -5
There will be a sequel, but whether it's JLA next or MOS 2 next, WB will decide soon after opening weekend.
I'm not really interested in JLA but just wanna see lots more Superman movies! And I think MOS 2 should be called...
SUPERMAN
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Post by Jimbo on May 10, 2013 17:37:54 GMT -5
It all depends on what WB's plan is. If this is to be WB's Iron Man, then they will need a new movie in 2015, along with others too.
If nothing is said before the end of the year, then it will be 2016. CAM, 2014 is not possible. It would have to be in production right now to make that date.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 20:30:22 GMT -5
I hope it's called The Last Son Of Krypton.
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Post by Paul (ral) on May 10, 2013 20:37:27 GMT -5
The Man of Steel Rises
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 22:12:13 GMT -5
They should take whatever time is needed to not screw it up. And I like "Man of Tomorrow." It fits the "Man of Steel" motif, sort of how the Bat-producers went with the "Dark Knight" motif. I'm guessing if we get three, no matter the order, one of them will have a completely different title because it'll be a Batman or JL merger. So, two solo pictures and a team-up.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 11, 2013 1:59:22 GMT -5
Great title suggestion! It also helps reinforce the idea of Superman as a symbol of hope for the future. For sure, I hope they don't just call a sequel "Man of Steel II".... (Though I doubt that they would) |
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Post by Shane on May 11, 2013 22:45:23 GMT -5
what about SUPERMAN
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 12, 2013 1:15:02 GMT -5
SUPERMAN: The Other Motion Picture? |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 4:59:12 GMT -5
Great title suggestion! It also helps reinforce the idea of Superman as a symbol of hope for the future. For sure, I hope they don't just call a sequel "Man of Steel II".... (Though I doubt that they would) At least the producers are putting a strong title with the first of, hopefully, multiple films. I wonder what Singer would have called a second film. Probably something with another verb after Superman or a subtitle. It sure as heck couldn't have been "Superman Returns 2." So, did he leave and return again? Probably not. I understand "The Dark Knight" fits to the story of the second Batman film more than the first, but "Batman Begins" has always seemed weak to me. Just as lousy as "X-Men Origins." Yech. I really like the idea of moving the title away from the character name. With such heavy marketing, even casual movie-goers know it's Superman. So there's no reason to have multiple films with "Superman" as the title. I love my "Halloween" movies, but it's absurd that there are two movies called "Halloween" and two movies called "Halloween II." |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 12, 2013 12:45:47 GMT -5
I agree completely.
Originally, I think I'd read it was "Batman: Beginnings"--- which also kind of sucks (it for some reason makes me feel like it's a Lifetime movie), but probably better than the weak 'Batman Begins''--- The more I think about it, the more the title irritates.... especially when there were many comic titles they could have borrowed from.
"Batman:Year One"- would have been my favorite choice for Nolan's first- especially as it borrowed heavily from Miller's book anyhow.
(*Aside: "Xmen United" is my own pet peeve for MOST irritating superhero movie title. Glad they're starting to use subtitles with the Marvel ones if they're not staying with the numbers. "Captain America: the Winter Soldier" and "Xmen: Days of Future Past" sound SO much better.)
Anyhow- Wasn't "Man of Steel" going to be Singer's title for the SR sequel?
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Post by upandaway on May 12, 2013 13:17:32 GMT -5
Yeah I thought SR's sequel was called Man of Steel, and Singer was gonna Wrath of Khan our ass.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 15:40:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately, he went all Insurrection on us.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 23:17:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately, he went all Insurrection on us. Actually, he gave us a movie 'bout killin' Nat-sees. <BradPittVoice> ... just not as memorable as that other one. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 13, 2013 0:40:48 GMT -5
I STILL wish he'd share what he was going to do with the kid... kill him off? If he came out and said that was his plan, and that was the issue that made WB unhappy- then I'd feel like things were a bit resolved. If he came out and said that 'gee.... I really don't know what I would have done with the kid'--- then I'd also feel like things were a bit resolved. Sort of how I was wondering for years how Mank and Donner would have come up with a new ending for SII if they had the opportunity to come back to it after they already used the reversal of time- they had no plan, no real clue. Gahhh!!! But... at least I knew they didn't even know. It's frustrating, but at least I don't wonder anymore what the perfect ending was gong to be to that story dilemma that the filmmakers had in mind.... because none existed! Anyhow....eh. Please excuse. Had to get that out of my system... |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 13, 2013 0:42:36 GMT -5
Yeah....Singer's 'Valkyrie' was alright, but it felt like a documentary might have a been a better way to tell that particular story....
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 0:50:55 GMT -5
Yeah....Singer's 'Valkyrie' was alright, but it felt like a documentary might have a been a better way to tell that particular story.... I have the DVD, and a full-length documentary is included. It may or may not be better than the film.  Guess it's your preference, but the fact that I bring it up should tell you it's not a great movie. Is it a good movie? I dunno. It's a respectable attempt. Yeah, I like that. A respectable attempt. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 0:52:10 GMT -5
I STILL wish he'd share what he was going to do with the kid... kill him off? If he came out and said that was his plan, and that was the issue that made WB unhappy- then I'd feel like things were a bit resolved. If he came out and said that 'gee.... I really don't know what I would have done with the kid'--- then I'd also feel like things were a bit resolved. Sort of how I was wondering for years how Mank and Donner would have come up with a new ending for SII if they had the opportunity to come back to it after they already used the reversal of time- they had no plan, no real clue. Gahhh!!! But... at least I knew they didn't even know. It's frustrating, but at least I don't wonder anymore what the perfect ending was gong to be to that story dilemma that the filmmakers had in mind.... because none existed! Anyhow....eh. Please excuse. Had to get that out of my system... In 20 years, DC should let him turn his treatment into an Elseworlds. I'd read it. Edit: Fuck that, I'll be in my 50s. I may not live that long!  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 13, 2013 1:09:00 GMT -5
I take it that with 'respectable attempt' you're referring to "Valkyrie" and not the documentary?
In any case, I knew that there was a commentary, but didn't know about the documentary... thanks for the heads up. I have to admit that sometimes I do find extras can sometimes make a worth a dvd worth getting, even if the movie itself isn't all that great!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 13, 2013 1:13:46 GMT -5
Shoot, they could have had the treatment (or whatever he did have for SR 2, doesn't sound like a whole lot) into a comic YEARS ago, and I would have bought it!
I'm still wondering to this day why they couldn't have even gotten a SCRIPT done by the time the screenwriters left SR 2. Were they waiting for a treatment approval by the studio first? Or was it all because of "Valkyrie" going over that screwed it all up? Ughhhh......
In any case, yeah, thank goodness MOS is looking good to fill a void...
(And I never thought I'd say/write that a couple of years ago)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 2:25:55 GMT -5
I take it that with 'respectable attempt' you're referring to "Valkyrie" and not the documentary? In any case, I knew that there was a commentary, but didn't know about the documentary... thanks for the heads up. I have to admit that sometimes I do find extras can sometimes make a worth a dvd worth getting, even if the movie itself isn't all that great! I was referring to the documentary. It's one of the older ones from History Channel, back when History Channel was more than shit reality shows. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 2:28:12 GMT -5
Shoot, they could have had the treatment (or whatever he did have for SR 2, doesn't sound like a whole lot) into a comic YEARS ago, and I would have bought it! I'm still wondering to this day why they couldn't have even gotten a SCRIPT done by the time the screenwriters left SR 2. Were they waiting for a treatment approval by the studio first? Or was it all because of "Valkyrie" going over that screwed it all up? Ughhhh...... In any case, yeah, thank goodness MOS is looking good to fill a void... (And I never thought I'd say/write that a couple of years ago) My best guess is that they didn't even have a fleshed-out treatment, just a few half-assed ideas. I like that they let the character finally grow a little with the addition of a son, but story wise that's a heck of a corner to paint yourself into. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 13, 2013 11:30:58 GMT -5
True.... but they did the same thing with Trek 2--- but that's why I was so impressed with Trek 3- they were able to paint themselves OUT of the corner without too many bumps. And- that's part of what I was looking forwards to in an SR 2.
What I wonder is just why they (Singer/screenwriters) dragged their feet so long on getting a script ready for SR 2.
Was it indecisiveness on Singer's part or the studio?
And--- of everything, again, just like you mentioned- the biggest 'what the heck are they going to do?' aspect to me was how they were going to deal with the kid.
One friend suggested (if they wanted to end the series for a reboot anyways) Supes fight Doomsday & die at the end & the boy would be the hope for the future to end the series.... but it's anybody's guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 16:47:55 GMT -5
True.... but they did the same thing with Trek 2--- but that's why I was so impressed with Trek 3- they were able to paint themselves OUT of the corner without too many bumps. And- that's part of what I was looking forwards to in an SR 2. What I wonder is just why they (Singer/screenwriters) dragged their feet so long on getting a script ready for SR 2. Was it indecisiveness on Singer's part or the studio? And--- of everything, again, just like you mentioned- the biggest 'what the heck are they going to do?' aspect to me was how they were going to deal with the kid. One friend suggested (if they wanted to end the series for a reboot anyways) Supes fight Doomsday & die at the end & the boy would be the hope for the future to end the series.... but it's anybody's guess. I was under the impression that Meyer and Nimoy set up the end of Trek II to allow for Spock's return if Nimoy wanted. They planned in advance, because it seemed Nimoy changed his mind on Trek as much as he changed his underwear. I don't think Singer, Penn, and Harris thought that far ahead. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 16:58:25 GMT -5
Singer probably had a general idea of what he wanted the sequel to SR to be. I'll always be fascinated as to what, if anything, it could've been, and I lean more towards the "He had NOTHING planned" side of the argument, but you never know.
Maybe one day we'll find out? Doubtful, but it'd be great to have a candid interview with Singer and just find out EVERYTHING.
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, is successful, and that they drop everything to get Snyder/Goyer going while the iron is hot. 
