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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 12, 2013 6:42:28 GMT -5
The last four Superman movies in a row have been disappointing it seems.
SIII was a creatively lacking albeit financially successful entry.
SIV was a humiliating fiasco.
We then had to wait 20 years for another movie.
SR disappointed and, worst of all, bored the shit out of everyone. After a 20 year hiatus, he also bored people out of theaters since the movie made a paltry $200 million on a $200 million budget.
In fact, SR is such a disappointment that Superman is rebooted.
We had to wait another 7 years.
On the 30th anniversary of SIII, once again MoS splits the fanbase and the boxoffice, though successful, doesn't quite explode and isn't enough to knock Iron Man off his throne.
Seems to me that Superman is doomed to mediocrity.
We all keep waiting to have a Superman movie that explodes at the boxoffice and a critical smash.
It's just not happening.
I just wish I was slightly older when Superman was tops in 1978 and 1980.
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Post by Shane on Jul 12, 2013 7:00:31 GMT -5
maybe to you as you haven't seemed to move on from stm & s2
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 12, 2013 7:04:25 GMT -5
I wish it's just me.
MoS though successful is not anywhere near Dark knight numbers. Boxoffice gurus are split and aren't sure how to interpret its numbers.
Seems like everything about MoS is divisive.
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Post by Shane on Jul 12, 2013 7:08:32 GMT -5
MOS was never going to go anywhere near the dark knights numbers
with all the hype and the death of heath ledger the film was always going to be huge
comparing mos to the amazing spiderman would be a better comparison being both re-boots i believe
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 12, 2013 7:18:01 GMT -5
Death of Ledger my ass.
MoS won't even come close to DKR numbers, and DKR's numbers was hurt by the theater shooting.
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Post by Shane on Jul 12, 2013 7:20:45 GMT -5
i never said anything about TDKR numbers....
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 12, 2013 7:24:32 GMT -5
*I* am talking about Dark Knight numbers an that includes DKR numbers because they're BOTH kicking the living shit outta Superman.
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Post by Shane on Jul 12, 2013 7:25:43 GMT -5
they were awesome films but
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 7:27:54 GMT -5
They're both sequels. You're better comparing it to Batman Begins before Ledger's death and the rest of the hype.
Anyway, said it before and I'll say it again, if Superman getting HUGE numbers means it has to become self important drivel then I'll take 'mediocrity' every day.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 12, 2013 7:37:43 GMT -5
But give people enough mediocre product and they'll start to stay away in droves. There's enough examples out there.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 12, 2013 7:38:45 GMT -5
Even Batman Begins isn't an accurate comparison. MOS is still riding off the hype of Nolans name and the Dark Knight trilogy connection as well as a little hype Snyder brings. Nolan was a nobody to most people when Batman Begins was in production.
Iron Man is in the same boat. Iron Man was B list character with a director who wasn't a big deal and a faded star who was never huge to begin with. And both those films were released when he international box office wasn't nearly as big as big a deal as it is now. If Begins and IM were released now they would have made a lot more money than they did in 2005 and 2008.
The better comparison would be the reception to The Amazing Spider-Man. It's closer to MOS in a lot of ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 7:43:02 GMT -5
But give people enough mediocre product and they'll start to stay away in droves. There's enough examples out there. I want a Superman film I like though. I dont want some pretentious drivel that i myself can't enjoy just so the sheep from TDK can roll in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 7:43:58 GMT -5
I dont know about that either. Nolans only a producer. I know people who won't even give the film a chance because Snyder is the director.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 12, 2013 7:44:12 GMT -5
Excellent post, Metallo.
IM is what happens when you execute well.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 12, 2013 7:48:10 GMT -5
I don't think Superman is ruined but MOS and its main creators are just as pretentious as anything that's thrown at the Nolan Batman trilogy. Goyers up his own ass with how much better he supposedly makes things.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 12, 2013 7:54:47 GMT -5
Excellent post, Metallo. IM is what happens when you execute well. Marvel wasn't concerned with breaking the bank. They were more concerned with building a good foundation and took far bigger risks doing so. This was before Disney bought them. The IM films sure aren't pretentious and Iron Man knocked it out of the park n the way MOS hasn't. That film seemed to be more universally enjoyed than MOS. Supes is the hero of heroes. Of course it should do well. But if anything the Iron Man films just acclimated people to this kind of stuff even more and made it easier for all superhero movies by really cementing the genre as mainstream fare. Yeah there were huge hits before but now these films are more commonplace than ever. |
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Post by ye5man on Jul 12, 2013 8:08:34 GMT -5
Too much expectation on Superman by the media. "The granddaddy of superheroes", etc. People are conditioned to believe he should be #1. I got a lot of respect for those at Marvel and what they accomplished. IMO BB is the only really good entry from the WB/DC camp. TDKR and GL are both astonishingly sloppy.
Incidentally, the character of Superman is not ruined; there will be other versions in future generations.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 12, 2013 8:14:03 GMT -5
Not just the media but WB. When Jeff Robinov said this film would change everything and make a billion even if that's marketing hype that's insane. It immediately puts super high expectations on things. WB should have brought a true visionary storyteller on board and done a superman movie for the modern age. Not copy the Batman formula or the Transformers formula or whatever. Let a great talent come up with a NEW formula
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Post by Metallo on Jul 12, 2013 10:02:54 GMT -5
I dont know about that either. Nolans only a producer. I know people who won't even give the film a chance because Snyder is the director. That's some people. A lot of people have no clue how much input Nolan had. They just know his name is on MOS and MOS looks kind of like Batman Begins. Why do you think WB involved Nolan in the first place? To slap his name on to draw people in and copy the Batman Begins formula to draw people in. The Nolan brand name has value. A lot more than it had in 2004. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 10:17:59 GMT -5
Surely Snyder being the main man on the picture evens much of that out though? I mean he's not got a great rep. You're absolutely right though, there will have been plenty of mugs who will have paid to see it purely because they saw Nolan's name on it, these'll be the same mugs who were posting things like 'Another home run for Nolan' when the trailers for MOS were coming out  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 12, 2013 10:37:16 GMT -5
Your friends might be above average people. Average is getting pretty stupid now. We live in world where a Bay Transformers movie made over a billion dollars so there's a market for big action. People had a good time at 300 (I did too when I saw it). There are plenty of folks who will see MOS because Snyder's name is on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 10:57:39 GMT -5
That's true, I bet. 300 kinda broke the barrier, getting us nerds and the dumb Fast and Furious/chick flick crowd. The hot dudes with muscles, the action, it did a good job of gaining a wide audience.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 12, 2013 11:26:04 GMT -5
superman is fine. though new 52 isnt for me as such (im trying to get a handle on it) the new superman book tops the comic sales charts- more than any marvel title. though im not a fan of smallville, it was a ten year success. true, superman is coming into a reboot after being (fairly or not) perceived as dull/dated. that, and the slickness and momentum of marvel have been on a roll for a few years so ANY new marvel flick has an edge in "kewlness". but the ebb and flow of supermans popularity is nothing new. Man of Steel is excellent, there will be a sequel. there will be more animated films. more comics. more toys. he's not going anywhere.  |
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Post by atp on Jul 12, 2013 12:44:45 GMT -5
The last four Superman movies in a row have been disappointing it seems. SIII was a creatively lacking albeit financially successful entry. SIV was a humiliating fiasco. We then had to wait 20 years for another movie. SR disappointed and, worst of all, bored the shit out of everyone. After a 20 year hiatus, he also bored people out of theaters since the movie made a paltry $200 million on a $200 million budget. In fact, SR is such a disappointment that Superman is rebooted. We had to wait another 7 years. On the 30th anniversary of SIII, once again MoS splits the fanbase and the boxoffice, though successful, doesn't quite explode and isn't enough to knock Iron Man off his throne. Seems to me that Superman is doomed to mediocrity. We all keep waiting to have a Superman movie that explodes at the boxoffice and a critical smash. It's just not happening. I just wish I was slightly older when Superman was tops in 1978 and 1980. I think Superman movies are ruined. Not totally FUBAR as in Star Wars, but it will never be something special again. First of all, they really hit the lottery with Reeve. What are the odds of ever finding someone who has that whole package ever again. Secondly, the world doesn't want special Superman movies anymore. There are too many superhero films these days, and Superman will always be forced to fit the trend and satisfy young retards who bring in the $$$. BTW, I don't group S3 in the bad group any longer. I say it belongs firmly in the same group as STM and S2. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 12, 2013 13:09:31 GMT -5
You know what, I actually agree with you. I like SIII, though it didn't enhance Superman's reputation.
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