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Post by Metallo on Jul 19, 2013 21:30:08 GMT -5
SII also has Superman being somewhat responsible for his destruction too. Shit happens...but in the midst of all that Superman showed concern for what was going on and people getting hurt. That kind of stuff shows the stakes and shows why the end of MOS turned into a video game. We get a few token "people in trouble bits" that are pretty worthless.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 19, 2013 22:03:51 GMT -5
SII also has Superman being somewhat responsible for his destruction too. Shit happens...but on the midst of all that Superman showed concern for what was going on and people getting hurt. That kind of stuff shows the stakes and shows why the end of MOS turned into a video game. We get a few token "people in trouble bits" that are pretty worthless. That's exactly right. In SII, the fight is about to start, Zod is about to launch that concrete thing at Superman and what does Superman do? Looks around with a look that says, "Oh, fuck! People are going to get hurt!" THAT. Is Superman. Superman has all these kickass powers, but what defines him is that he cares, he actually cares for these earth people. He's a sentimental idiot. Funny how Zod knows that, but Zack Snyder, Warner Brothers, David Goyer and all those fools haven't the foggiest. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 19, 2013 22:30:32 GMT -5
Yeah in the end its his heart that makes him Superman. Any Kryptonian could have powers on earth but that doesn't make them Superman. His heart is his greatest strength and weakness. More than Kryptonite when you think about it.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 19, 2013 22:48:46 GMT -5
Jesus.
Effing.
Christ.
This is beyond reatrded. I'm going to post a new thread, every fornicating day, and it will be a poll as to just how many needlessly redundant anti-MoS threads will be posted in THAT day alone.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Every single fornicating aspect of this and the last eleven-teen anti-MoS threads have been spurious.
I'd like to ( as enrique and ATP have made me well-rehearsed) explain how superman does NOT kill anyone other than zod. Id like to reiterate that other than his first tactical mistake in the battle of smallville he take great pain to mitigate damage at great personal risk. Id point out how cavill superbly displays the emotional impact the devastation has on superman...how after the battle of smallville he is pensive, tears in his eyes, and distraught. We point out over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over how superman tries and tries to take the fight AwAY from people. He tries to take faora or zod or nemek or whoever literally up into the sky, or even into space-
But it doesn't matter. We can go scene by scene. Frame by frame. We can site the script, the storyboards, the novelisation, the references in the vintage comics.
Doesn't matter.
The verdict was in early, and MoS was guilty in spite of being innocent. The long knives were, are, and will remain out.
Whatev. Man of steel is awesome. I'm overjoyed with it. Much more than other recent superhero flicks. Seriously, you don't like it? Fine. Whatev.
Do you really need 15 threads a week to remind everyone?
Do you really need 15 threads you pretend are brand new and vomit up the same tired (and often discredited) nitpicks?
I'm...actually....happy for the haters. Seriously. Hate away. If this all you have to wreck you...
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Post by Metallo on Jul 19, 2013 23:29:43 GMT -5
Pensive? Tears in his eyes? Lol! Really?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 2:20:15 GMT -5
Seriously, this is like watching a couple of dogs endlessly chase their tails. Same arguments round and round. Jesus, take a break from the board to let the rest of us have a breather.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 5:21:43 GMT -5
I posted some facts. 1) Superman doesnt throw Zod through buildings killing people. 2) He does it with Non in SII. That prompted them to move the goal posts and start rambling on about other stuff from the films, if that's not an admission of 'being wrong' I don't know what is  The minute they thought 'oh shit, now I think about it I have been dribbling bullshit" they though 'we'll need to find something else', so what about smallville, what about this, what about that. Superman II has most of what you're complaining about too Enrique, you didn't think it through before you started trolling on MOS. Accept it and move on. Either that or stay off the Strawberry Daquiri's to avoid these mistakes in future  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 5:22:49 GMT -5
It ain't about Superman causing destruction!!!! How do you fight super villains WITHOUT causing destruction? For me, it's strictly about Superman not being concerned with his surroundings.Slightly less time for it in MOS seeing as Zod and Superman had a full on battle that didn't involve wrasslin on top of a car and flying away saying "chase me!!" for the most part. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 20, 2013 10:01:44 GMT -5
There would have been time even at the end of the filmmakers didn't get lazy say fuck it and skip over god knows how much time near the end.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 20, 2013 10:05:20 GMT -5
Seriously, this is like watching a couple of dogs endlessly chase their tails. Same arguments round and round. Jesus, take a break from the board to let the rest of us have a breather. Pretty funny since this board has been doing that with these movies for over a decade and most of those have been out for decades. Mos is new. Besides the stupidity of some of the film makers choices feeds the discussion more than enough to keep it going. May as well say don't talk about the good parts over and over. It's the film. People are going to talk about it. if the topic comes up people are gonna discuss it. |
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Post by atp on Jul 20, 2013 10:09:58 GMT -5
In MoS, didn't Superman destroy the scout ship with his heat vision ("Krypton had its chance!") right over the city and cause it to flatten buildings?
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 20, 2013 11:55:42 GMT -5
In MoS, didn't Superman destroy the scout ship with his heat vision ("Krypton had its chance!") right over the city and cause it to flatten buildings? It landed exactly where the black zero had already pummeled several city blocks. Whearas zod was going to blow up the air force ship with the phantom bomb, and then resume killing every single human being on earth. Its not a complicated plot, it stuns me that the simple things elude you. Zod, he's the "bad guy". He wants to quite literally destroy the earth. He does not want to "rule" over an inferior species. He wants all humans dead. He parks the black zero downtown and destroys several buildings. Follow? Superman, he's the gooooooood guy. He has had ONE DAY to demonstrate his powers. He knows that if dies, or is incapacitated nothing will stop zod. Zod will kill ev-er-y-one. Superman, at some points tried to "time-out" and inquire if someone is "all right?" But it only gives the dozen or so villains an oppurtunity. Therefore- this is the salient point here so take the crayon out of your nose- superman realises that the absolute first biggest priority is restraining zod. Anything less will lead to more deaths. (As many have repeatedly pointed out, superman doesn't kill anyone- but you don't care). But y'know- maybe it should be more like S2. Maybe zod should "time out" every other shot and stand perfectly still while not-ursa and not-non take turns throwing single punches, waiting for superman to recover, then letting zod have a turn to get tossed, while speaking in the third person. In S2 there is a LOT of standing around and milling about during the final battle. And some slapstick to lighten the mood. That's what MoS needed. Some cup shots and pies in the face. And zod standing. And faora standing. While nem-ek gets tossed, then faora will throw something. Then she'll go back to standing still. Oh- and only superman has super-speed. The villains don't. They just stand. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 11:59:32 GMT -5
In MoS, didn't Superman destroy the scout ship with his heat vision ("Krypton had its chance!") right over the city and cause it to flatten buildings? It landed exactly where the black zero had already pummeled several city blocks. Whearas zod was going to blow up the air force ship with the phantom bomb, and then resume killing every single human being on earth. Its not a complicated plot, it stuns me that the simple things elude you. Zod, he's the "bad guy". He wants to quite literally destroy the earth. He does not want to "rule" over an inferior species. He wants all humans dead. He parks the black zero downtown and destroys several buildings. Follow? Superman, he's the gooooooood guy. He has had ONE DAY to demonstrate his powers. He knows that if dies, or is incapacitated nothing will stop zod. Zod will kill ev-er-y-one. Superman, at some points tried to "time-out" and inquire if someone is "all right?" But it only gives the dozen or so villains an oppurtunity. Therefore- this is the salient point here so take the crayon out of your nose- superman realises that the absolute first biggest priority is restraining zod. Anything less will lead to more deaths. (As many have repeatedly pointed out, superman doesn't kill anyone- but you don't care). But y'know- maybe it should be more like S2. Maybe zod should "time out" every other shot and stand perfectly still while not-ursa and not-non take turns throwing single punches, waiting for superman to recover, then letting zod have a turn to get tossed, while speaking in the third person.
In S2 there is a LOT of standing around and milling about during the final battle. And some slapstick to lighten the mood. That's what MoS needed. Some cup shots and pies in the face. And zod standing. And faora standing. While nem-ek gets tossed, then faora will throw something. Then she'll go back to standing still. Oh- and only superman has super-speed. The villains don't. They just stand. I love SII but there's no getting away from any of the above. "Krypton had it's chance" was a great moment. That was as dominant and as commanding as Superman's ever been in battle on film. |
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Post by atp on Jul 20, 2013 12:41:35 GMT -5
In MoS, didn't Superman destroy the scout ship with his heat vision ("Krypton had its chance!") right over the city and cause it to flatten buildings? It landed exactly where the black zero had already pummeled several city blocks. Whearas zod was going to blow up the air force ship with the phantom bomb, and then resume killing every single human being on earth. Its not a complicated plot, it stuns me that the simple things elude you. Zod, he's the "bad guy". He wants to quite literally destroy the earth. He does not want to "rule" over an inferior species. He wants all humans dead. He parks the black zero downtown and destroys several buildings. Follow? Superman, he's the gooooooood guy. He has had ONE DAY to demonstrate his powers. He knows that if dies, or is incapacitated nothing will stop zod. Zod will kill ev-er-y-one. Superman, at some points tried to "time-out" and inquire if someone is "all right?" But it only gives the dozen or so villains an oppurtunity. Therefore- this is the salient point here so take the crayon out of your nose- superman realises that the absolute first biggest priority is restraining zod. Anything less will lead to more deaths. (As many have repeatedly pointed out, superman doesn't kill anyone- but you don't care). But y'know- maybe it should be more like S2. Maybe zod should "time out" every other shot and stand perfectly still while not-ursa and not-non take turns throwing single punches, waiting for superman to recover, then letting zod have a turn to get tossed, while speaking in the third person. In S2 there is a LOT of standing around and milling about during the final battle. And some slapstick to lighten the mood. That's what MoS needed. Some cup shots and pies in the face. And zod standing. And faora standing. While nem-ek gets tossed, then faora will throw something. Then she'll go back to standing still. Oh- and only superman has super-speed. The villains don't. They just stand. Well, at least in S2, Non and Ursa picked UP the bus. Superman SAW. What they did. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 20, 2013 13:34:13 GMT -5
Dahahahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 14:46:19 GMT -5
Seriously, this is like watching a couple of dogs endlessly chase their tails. Same arguments round and round. Jesus, take a break from the board to let the rest of us have a breather. Pretty funny since this board has been doing that with these movies for over a decade and most of those have been out for decades. Mos is new. Besides the stupidity of some of the film makers choices feeds the discussion more than enough to keep it going. May as well say don't talk about the good parts over and over. It's the film. People are going to talk about it. if the topic comes up people are gonna discuss it. No, this is just Enrique and Kris going over the same topic every few minutes. Hey, at least you and I now have something to feud over! I'll meet your ass by the monkey bars at recess!  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 20, 2013 14:49:15 GMT -5
heck in the cell, beyotch! You're so getting Foley'd!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 14:51:40 GMT -5
It's more like Kris slapping Enrique around and Enrique retreating in a flood of tears |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 14:56:15 GMT -5
heck in the cell, beyotch! You're so getting Foley'd! "I know how to fall." |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 20, 2013 15:07:50 GMT -5
Foley was smart enough to fall on top of his wife more than a couple of times too. Lucky dude.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 21, 2013 12:58:20 GMT -5
EXACTLY. You put it better than I have.
He still cares- but the degree to which he cares is significant in how they edited MOS. It really would NOT have taken more than a few seconds of concern looking around here and there in many of the action bits.... and would have avoided a mountain of criticism that was leveled at this film. (As I've been saying over and over again) Extended cut may fix it....maybe.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 21, 2013 13:03:59 GMT -5
It's more like Kris slapping Enrique around and Enrique retreating in a flood of tears More like Kris talking and then covering his ears, yelling, "LLAALALALALALALALALA, I can't hear you!!!" |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 21, 2013 13:32:06 GMT -5
I'm reading your post with Christian Bales T4 rant voice in my head. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 14:29:35 GMT -5
It's more like Kris slapping Enrique around and Enrique retreating in a flood of tears More like Kris talking and then covering his ears, yelling, "LLAALALALALALALALALA, I can't hear you!!!"  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 21, 2013 14:49:08 GMT -5
Now I'm gonna read your posts with old Clints voice!
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