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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 26, 2013 19:35:00 GMT -5
You're a fuckin' idiot.
You're not talking, that's Cavill cock coming out of your mouth and doing the talking for you.
Go join Shane where ever he's been crying these last few days and go beat on some drums. MOS sucked. Tough noogies.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 26, 2013 19:49:32 GMT -5
You'd need to ask the makers. For the script he worked with I thought Cavill did a great job, aside from a few on here he's one thing that seems to have genuinely gotten very positive feedback, based on what I've read and who I've spoken to anyway. Like I said you take away the dual identity and have him as a lost soul who wanders you're already cutting down on what he's capable of showing in terms of range and performance, I'm still a bit disappointed they've opted to start up the JL stuff and he won't get to show this in a solo MOS sequel. Although it's not my type of show he was very good in The Tudors and receives high praise for that so he's a good actor. All I'll say is this, for all the Craig cock riding Enrique's been doing, he's really impressed me in 1 out of 3 Bond films. Not exactly a large success rate thus far. Maybe people think he's entitled to extra credit because he's weird looking I dunno. Bond will go on after Craig and I won't be shocked if the next one is very good too, they generally do a steller job with casting Bond and even though he's not to my liking even Brosnan went down well with the majority. If you say so. I don't know if I'd call Cavill great. He was pretty good but I reserve great for some of the other guys. Other actors have taken on these kinds of roles and done far better. I'll grant you the script wasn't that good and he didn't have the best direction but other actors in the film made strong impressions with much less screen time. Something else we've see happen with weak superhero films. It just seems to be Hollywoods suffering with what a buddy of mine likes to call bland foreign guy syndrome The lost wanderer thing isn't really much of an excuse because how many times have we seen that type of character on film and the actor turned in the iconic performance? I think it was the execution that held Cavill back not the direction they decided to take. Even of he's lost and wandering he's still supposed to be a person with feelings and a personality. As for Craig I thought he did a lot of engaging work in CR and Skyfall. His weakest performance was in QoS but I don't think any actor could have truly shined in that movie. The films story had no focus. But even then I think he outdid Cavill but to be fair to Cavill Craig had more experience in his role. You might agree with this Kris but I think they should give Nolan the boot. I respect the guy but he's not really right for the DC universe as a whole and I'm tired of WB using his style as a crutch or an excuse of a shiny object to lure people in. If he's not going to really put a ton of effort in to make these movies good his names not worth the fatass paycheck I'm sure they're paying him. I figured the guy had higher standards for what he did but I guess likes that easy money. I can't blame him but still...Let DC thrive free of the choke chain of Nolan's hyper hyper realism |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 20:59:54 GMT -5
You keep using the word 'excuse' man, it's not an 'excuse' every time someone has a viewpoint different to your own. I wouldn't turn around and say you just made an excuse for Craig in QoS though by your logic you probably did! A lot of people think Bale's the definitive Batman, I don't but that's fair enough, likewise there'll be people who now think Garfield's the definitive Spiderman, I personally wouldn't agree but if that's their opinion and that's what they wanted to see in their version of Spider-man then so be it. But let's be honest, if you took Reeve's Clark Kent dual identity away from him in STM it makes it a lot less interesting and gives him a lot less to work with. One of the best things about his performance is he got to juggle those two characters. Also Craig's a better actor than Cavill, so even aside from experience I doubt that makes too much difference. I agree with the last bit, the realism aspect of it doesn't work for everything and I have no clue how that would ever work in something like a JL film. You're a fuckin' idiot. You're not talking, that's Cavill cock coming out of your mouth and doing the talking for you. Go join Shane where ever he's been crying these last few days and go beat on some drums. MOS sucked. Tough noogies. Awww poor Enrique, he can dish it out but he can't take it. You need to grow up and find something better to do with your free time sunshine. Head over to IMDB and you can feel at home with other like minded clowns. i don't know if you've had a little bottle of beer tonight, or if it's sour grapes that Snyder will be back with Cavill for another film, or maybe you're just bored, but I'm more bored and find this more tedious the more you go on. Toodles  |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 26, 2013 21:26:22 GMT -5
Like I said, you're a fuckin' idiot.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 26, 2013 22:13:09 GMT -5
You keep using the word 'excuse' man, it's not an 'excuse' every time someone has a viewpoint different to your own. I wouldn't turn around and say you just made an excuse for Craig in QoS though by your logic you probably did! A lot of people think Bale's the definitive Batman, I don't but that's fair enough, likewise there'll be people who now think Garfield's the definitive Spiderman, I personally wouldn't agree but if that's their opinion and that's what they wanted to see in their version of Spider-man then so be it. But let's be honest, if you took Reeve's Clark Kent dual identity away from him in STM it makes it a lot less interesting and gives him a lot less to work with. One of the best things about his performance is he got to juggle those two characters. Also Craig's a better actor than Cavill, so even aside from experience I doubt that makes too much difference. I agree with the last bit, the realism aspect of it doesn't work for everything and I have no clue how that would ever work in something like a JL film. It is an excuse because taking away the other identity wasn't the problem. The execution was the problem. The execution of things throughout the film that goes well beyond one thing. I've never had much of an issue with the IDEAS in MOS but the EXECUTION of those idea. MOS's issues to far deeper than just doing its own fake on the mythology. I'm not making an "excuse" for Craig and QoS because again the film around him was the big problem. The execution. I admitted that myself. If you took away the secret identity of Reeve's Kent his Superman would be just as well rounded and engaging. His Superman has charm and a personality. Comes through clear as day during the interview with Lois. That film was concerned with crafting personalities for everyone. MOS not so much. Maybe the industry has changed but we aren't seeing that kind of charisma allowed to pop up in big budget movies as much as we used to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 2:19:31 GMT -5
Like I said, you're a fuckin' idiot.  'tallo I respectfully disagree. Sure it would probably still work, Reeve would still sell Superman, but I don't think it would be near to being as well rounded at all. |
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Post by atp on Jul 27, 2013 5:05:24 GMT -5
Which line was delivered better?
A) General would you care to step outside?
B) You're a monster zod and I'm going to stop you.
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Post by Shane on Jul 27, 2013 5:53:51 GMT -5
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Post by Shane on Jul 27, 2013 5:56:50 GMT -5
You're a fuckin' idiot. You're not talking, that's Cavill cock coming out of your mouth and doing the talking for you. Go join Shane where ever he's been crying these last few days and go beat on some drums. MOS sucked. Tough noogies. sorry i have life buddy don't spend all the hours of the day on a message board complaining about a movie i don't like you should try and get some fresh air princess |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 27, 2013 6:05:06 GMT -5
Kris, good news: your Soul mate's back
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Post by ye5man on Jul 27, 2013 8:08:24 GMT -5
As far as I can see, Cav doesn't totally OWN the role as Supes so think he can do nicely outside of it. It won't take much to have a better career than Reeve or Routh outside the character. Its not fair to compare him to Reeve as the 2 films were entirely different. Perhaps MOS2 will be brilliant and Cav will get opportunities to shine and show charm. And as for Connery being brilliant in Dr No, everyone knows he was doing an impression of Terence Young anyway  Reeve and Connery had an easier gig because it was all new. Doing a new take on an abstract character as Bond or Superman can not be too easy. Routh failed cos he was built as a Reeve clone (Although fellow non-actor Lazenby did the same but succeeded). I have respect for Craig for what he did in CR and Cav for bringing an entirely new interpretation to Superman. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2013 8:11:02 GMT -5
Like I said, you're a fuckin' idiot. 'tallo I respectfully disagree. Sure it would probably still work, Reeve would still sell Superman, but I don't think it would be near to being as well rounded at all. It wouldn't be the Superman we are used to but it could still be a well rounded character. Not every film character has dual identities or secret identities yet they are interesting characters. Like I said the problem with MOSs Superman went beyond the lack of secret identity. It's an all around issue of execution. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 12:53:01 GMT -5
it's a key part of his character though and without it in STM I don't think Reeve's performance would be nearly as interesting, watching him jump between slouched and bumbling Clark and tall confident Superman is the most enjoyable part of watching him for me personally. As for Enrique  Put a lead on her tallo before she gets bitten, and you don't want to get bitten, do ya sweetheart? |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 27, 2013 13:13:52 GMT -5
Get new material. You're repeating yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 13:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 13:31:55 GMT -5
You guys are for real, right? Like, actual grown up men? Just making sure.
Back to the thread...
That episode of Daly Show was HILARIOUS. It was so great to see Routh and Cain involved. They all seem to have such respect and humor for what they've done for the S.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 14:01:44 GMT -5
Don't lump me in with the troll please. I at least try to put my points across in a reasonable manner.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2013 16:47:13 GMT -5
it's a key part of his character though and without it in STM I don't think Reeve's performance would be nearly as interesting, watching him jump between slouched and bumbling Clark and tall confident Superman is the most enjoyable part of watching him for me personally. As for Enrique Put a lead on her tallo before she gets bitten, and you don't want to get bitten, do ya sweetheart? Lol. Oh you guys. Anyway.... It's a key part of the character as we know him but I think you can still do a fantastic Superman story with no Clark Kent or very little Clark Kent or even no Reporter facade. This film just wasn't strong enough to pull it off. Reeves didn't even do the bumbling act. Just slightly mild mannered. But he's still one of the top Supermen of all time in one of the most influential and successful Superman productions.. You give a great team of filmmakers something like the Exiled storyline and I think they could kick some ass with it. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2013 16:49:24 GMT -5
That episode of Daly Show was HILARIOUS. It was so great to see Routh and Cain involved. They all seem to have such respect and humor for what they've done for the S. Ditto. I loved it. Bravo to everyone involved. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 17:39:38 GMT -5
I don't even think I commented on the video itself before the troll jumped in It was hilarious. Everyone who's played Superman seem like genuinely good guys. I actually think Routh's quite funny, and I would LOVE to meet Dean Cain, he's a class act and I know I always say it, but I thought he's take on Clark was brilliant. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 27, 2013 18:22:18 GMT -5
Don't lump me in with the troll please. I at least try to put my points across in a reasonable manner. What points? That you cover your ears and go "Na na nee na na" everytime someone challenges MOS? You're delusional, Krissy. Trying to act above it all like you're really not down here getting mad. Everyone sees it, they're just not telling you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 18:24:43 GMT -5
if only YOU knew sweetheart |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 27, 2013 18:27:54 GMT -5
Bring it.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2013 18:36:58 GMT -5
It's too bad Welling couldn't find the time to show up for a minute...which was pretty much his time as Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 18:43:43 GMT -5
Like HE'S busy...
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