MoS is a year old

[atp]

If I remember right, this time last year was the opening weekend for MoS.

The time has flown by.

[Metallo]

I feel about the same. heck I like it even less. For all the hooplah and hype the movie is old news just a year later. Says a lot.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 13, 2014 9:58:48 GMT -5 atp said:

If I remember right, this time last year was the opening weekend for MoS.

The time has flown by.

It's sad/amazing how one film that everyone was looking forward to, completely toppled a forum.

Now, it's... scruffy. A replica of a forum long since vanished. No style at all.

[atp]

Jun 13, 2014 11:18:41 GMT -5 Metallo said:

For all the hooplah and hype the movie is old news just a year later. Says a lot.

Exactly.

STM and Reeve were in public consciousness for YEARS following 1978.

But MoS came and went and is old news already.

[EnriqueH]

I wouldn't say MOS is old news because of the new film.

That being said, I think it's more of a "life support" type deal.

I'm pretty sure that if Batman had NOT been in the next film, people wouldn't give a rat's ass about the sequel.

I don't sense much anticipation for the movie. Henry Cavill hasn't been making any waves. His next "big film" is Man From UNCLE, who also features the star of the expensive flop, Lone Ranger. I personally think those two casting choices will sink the movie, but I hope I'm wrong because I'd like to see UNCLE become a viable franchise.

I could be wrong, but I'm not sure the BvS will live up to the hype at the boxoffice.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 14, 2014 2:20:12 GMT -5 atp said:

Jun 13, 2014 11:18:41 GMT -5 Metallo said:

For all the hooplah and hype the movie is old news just a year later. Says a lot.

Exactly.

STM and Reeve were in public consciousness for YEARS following 1978.

But MoS came and went and is old news already.

To be fair.... the context of what was out there in 2013 is far different than '78.

STM was the first major superhero film with a giant budget and the first time ever a live action Superman film had convincing (enough) flying effects.

By the time 2006 came out with Superman Returns, the superhero movie playing field was full with Spiderman and X-men sequels, Batman, Fantastic Four, Blade- and Smallville on tv. There was pre-hoopla for Routh and Superman--- but opening day (before anyone really knew anything significant about the movie)- there was a line waiting, but there were no sellouts at the giant theatre I attended.

By the time MOS came out, Marvel studios already had Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Thor, and Avengers- and Nolan had his Batman trilogy.

Tough bar to compete with and stand out with all that company.

Having said that- the anticipation for Batman and Superman is an amazing 'meh' on the net, from what I've seen. JL seems to have some curiosity, but it would be nice to be pleasantly suprised by both.

[atp]

Jun 14, 2014 7:57:23 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I wouldn't say MOS is old news because of the new film.

That being said, I think it's more of a "life support" type deal.

I'm pretty sure that if Batman had NOT been in the next film, people wouldn't give a rat's ass about the sequel.

I don't sense much anticipation for the movie. Henry Cavill hasn't been making any waves. His next "big film" is Man From UNCLE, who also features the star of the expensive flop, Lone Ranger. I personally think those two casting choices will sink the movie, but I hope I'm wrong because I'd like to see UNCLE become a viable franchise.

I could be wrong, but I'm not sure the BvS will live up to the hype at the boxoffice.

Have you noticed that it has been a year, and STILL nobody has come forward to identify the mysterious Reeve Only People?

[Metallo]

Jun 14, 2014 7:57:23 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I wouldn't say MOS is old news because of the new film.

That being said, I think it's more of a "life support" type deal.

I'm pretty sure that if Batman had NOT been in the next film, people wouldn't give a rat's ass about the sequel.

I don't sense much anticipation for the movie. Henry Cavill hasn't been making any waves. His next "big film" is Man From UNCLE, who also features the star of the expensive flop, Lone Ranger. I personally think those two casting choices will sink the movie, but I hope I'm wrong because I'd like to see UNCLE become a viable franchise.

I could be wrong, but I'm not sure the BvS will live up to the hype at the boxoffice.

But the new film isn't about superman. Its a JLA run up. Superman's story has taken a back seat to all that. MOS isn't a big deal a year later the way say...the Avengers or Spiderman were. There was still a sense of excitement and marvel about those movies a year out. With MOS it's faded a lot faster. And if there was no follow up? Forget it.

You said it yourself. If there was no Batman this next film would see diminishing returns. WB knows it. MOS was too mixed and for its cost it just didn't make what they hoped. I'd say BvS has to make it to a billion considering all the hype and the pro MOS fans saying how great it is and how it's a huge deal. This film does anything less and a lot of people are gonna have egg on their faces. BvS will open huge bit it's got to have legs. We've seen recently that some of these lesser Superhero films don't. TASM 2 is struggling to not look like a domestic box office joke. It's gonna be the lowest grosser of any Spiderman film despite Sonys changes and hype. People see it for what it is now and in much the same way the curtain has been pulled back on Snyders Superman.

[Rod]

its so clear to me now after certain time has passed that MOS is a fake plastic movie.

theres some beauty to be seen. not much really because it is fake beauty.
and that is it. MOS has no soul at all.

one cant fool oneself forever. i cant fool myself anymore.

but this board has a soul and it was very important for me since 2006. it helped me to endure a very lonely and tough moment of my life during what it seemed to be a nightmare or a deep ilusion. time flies....
so some days ago i did my first experience with holy ayahuasca and my whole life is utterly changed. not fake stuff there boys, oh noes. and it is not self suggestion either. how would be...

why am i saying this? sorry, atp, this is your tread. i just want to close this in my mind and heart.
thinkin about MOS and its fakeness and i just realize that what is missing in this world is connection. real connection. MOS doesn connects with anything that is remotely alive.
its so weird. it looks alive.....but you cant feel it!!!!
anyway, looking back, without this real connection i tried to fill the void with some obssessions like....trying to recapture my childhood thinking endless about STM in the old days of this forum. and S2...ohh the headaches,,,,,,,
i used to think it was a health thing....no, its not. what is this? terapy?
it is precisely what is terribly wrong with this society. Endless talking. Endless books. Endless images and movies being eaten and eaten again. No creation. Just eating behaviour. Consuming. No soul at all.
The Western thinking behaviour sets the example. Or the guns. The world follows.

its the end of inocence. you realized that childhood is put on a pedestal because this life in reality when fully examined is just bullshit with all these models of strict dominance over everything! And its getting faster and faster.
So my concluson was that we dont have to idealize childhood. we have to feel the innocence within right now.
and then you see the ilusion fading away fast....give up the ilusion of power. and you are free. no fear. ready to make real connections. ready to face the real consequuences of your acts. that is how i feel now. that is what this world desesperately needs in a hurry in my honest opinion. recapture the frecking human soul. not the imaginary childhood. fuck that.]]

call me hippie, whatever. i want the real deal.

i dont mean to disrespect anyone here. i am a nobody.
but if someone resonates with what i am saying, give a try to the plant. dmt. mushrooms. what have you. this stuff is called drugs by authorities because you know what authorities want you to do....to kneel before them. but it is not that. It deliveries! Search the lectures of Terence Mackenna. you will see. the psicodelic experience wont happen watching Avatar and its metalanguage of shamanic comunion in a context of 3d movie theater experience. cameron wants to be a god. those amazonic plants are just some hundreads of thousands of years ahead him. and they make you really fly!!!! of course...the word is....LOVE
my past life seem so....pale in comparison.

one more time, my infinite gratitude to all members, cam, atp, jim, jor, the old verissimilitude, metalo, alll of you are like light ghosts to me and you habit this same universe and were part of something that helped deeply when i need it. we are alll here to help one another. that is what i tried to do now. thank you donner. thank you christopher reeve... thank you.

be in light. LOVE. be happy.

[Metallo]

MOS had faux depth. It went through the motions and paid lip service to ideas like heroism and hope but it didn't bothered to show us what that stuff really means most of the time. As soon as the film got the chance it glossed over all that stuff with glitz.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 25, 2014 2:48:23 GMT -5 Rod said:

its so clear to me now after certain time has passed that MOS is a fake plastic movie.

theres some beauty to be seen. not much really because it is fake beauty.
and that is it. MOS has no soul at all.

one cant fool oneself forever. i cant fool myself anymore.

but this board has a soul and it was very important for me since 2006. it helped me to endure a very lonely and tough moment of my life during what it seemed to be a nightmare or a deep ilusion. time flies....
so some days ago i did my first experience with holy ayahuasca and my whole life is utterly changed. not fake stuff there boys, oh noes. and it is not self suggestion either. how would be...

why am i saying this? sorry, atp, this is your tread. i just want to close this in my mind and heart.
thinkin about MOS and its fakeness and i just realize that what is missing in this world is connection. real connection. MOS doesn connects with anything that is remotely alive.
its so weird. it looks alive.....but you cant feel it!!!!
anyway, looking back, without this real connection i tried to fill the void with some obssessions like....trying to recapture my childhood thinking endless about STM in the old days of this forum. and S2...ohh the headaches,,,,,,,
i used to think it was a health thing....no, its not. what is this? terapy?
it is precisely what is terribly wrong with this society. Endless talking. Endless books. Endless images and movies being eaten and eaten again. No creation. Just eating behaviour. Consuming. No soul at all.
The Western thinking behaviour sets the example. Or the guns. The world follows.

its the end of inocence. you realized that childhood is put on a pedestal because this life in reality when fully examined is just bullshit with all these models of strict dominance over everything! And its getting faster and faster.
So my concluson was that we dont have to idealize childhood. we have to feel the innocence within right now.
and then you see the ilusion fading away fast....give up the ilusion of power. and you are free. no fear. ready to make real connections. ready to face the real consequuences of your acts. that is how i feel now. that is what this world desesperately needs in a hurry in my honest opinion. recapture the frecking human soul. not the imaginary childhood. fuck that.]]

call me hippie, whatever. i want the real deal.

i dont mean to disrespect anyone here. i am a nobody.
but if someone resonates with what i am saying, give a try to the plant. dmt. mushrooms. what have you. this stuff is called drugs by authorities because you know what authorities want you to do....to kneel before them. but it is not that. It deliveries! Search the lectures of Terence Mackenna. you will see. the psicodelic experience wont happen watching Avatar and its metalanguage of shamanic comunion in a context of 3d movie theater experience. cameron wants to be a god. those amazonic plants are just some hundreads of thousands of years ahead him. and they make you really fly!!!! of course...the word is....LOVE
my past life seem so....pale in comparison.

one more time, my infinite gratitude to all members, cam, atp, jim, jor, the old verissimilitude, metalo, alll of you are like light ghosts to me and you habit this same universe and were part of something that helped deeply when i need it. we are alll here to help one another. that is what i tried to do now. thank you donner. thank you christopher reeve... thank you.

be in light. LOVE. be happy.

Cheers. Hope things are well. The movies and the forum also helped during some rough times as well.... but, well, it is what it is, now. So long as there's some communication, for myself, I'll plug along.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 25, 2014 8:09:57 GMT -5 Metallo said:

MOS had faux depth. It went through the motions and paid lip service to ideas like heroism and hope but it didn't bothered to show us what that stuff really means most of the time. As soon as the film got the chance it glossed over all that stuff with glitz.

I give Goyer a bit of a pass because his stuff is CONSISTENTLY like that. His 'Blade' tv show feels so much like MOS in tone it's scary. I attribute it more to incompetence but he does have a lot of great ideas in many of his scripts.

Doubling up Goyer with a strong director, though, has seemed to warrant some pretty good results from what I've seen.

The major error was teaming up Goyer with Snyder, who is a far worse writer/director.

If Goyer was teamed up with a George Miller or even to a lesser degree Martin Campbell it might have been fascinating to see.

In a bizzaro world, it would have been interesting to see Goyer teamed with Singer for Superman. If Singer could shape a Zak Penn script and make it good as X-men: Days turned out to be, it looks like SInger can work with almost anyone.

[Rod]

Jun 25, 2014 9:09:06 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Jun 25, 2014 2:48:23 GMT -5 Rod said:

its so clear to me now after certain time has passed that MOS is a fake plastic movie.

theres some beauty to be seen. not much really because it is fake beauty.
and that is it. MOS has no soul at all.

one cant fool oneself forever. i cant fool myself anymore.

but this board has a soul and it was very important for me since 2006. it helped me to endure a very lonely and tough moment of my life during what it seemed to be a nightmare or a deep ilusion. time flies....
so some days ago i did my first experience with holy ayahuasca and my whole life is utterly changed. not fake stuff there boys, oh noes. and it is not self suggestion either. how would be...

why am i saying this? sorry, atp, this is your tread. i just want to close this in my mind and heart.
thinkin about MOS and its fakeness and i just realize that what is missing in this world is connection. real connection. MOS doesn connects with anything that is remotely alive.
its so weird. it looks alive.....but you cant feel it!!!!
anyway, looking back, without this real connection i tried to fill the void with some obssessions like....trying to recapture my childhood thinking endless about STM in the old days of this forum. and S2...ohh the headaches,,,,,,,
i used to think it was a health thing....no, its not. what is this? terapy?
it is precisely what is terribly wrong with this society. Endless talking. Endless books. Endless images and movies being eaten and eaten again. No creation. Just eating behaviour. Consuming. No soul at all.
The Western thinking behaviour sets the example. Or the guns. The world follows.

its the end of inocence. you realized that childhood is put on a pedestal because this life in reality when fully examined is just bullshit with all these models of strict dominance over everything! And its getting faster and faster.
So my concluson was that we dont have to idealize childhood. we have to feel the innocence within right now.
and then you see the ilusion fading away fast....give up the ilusion of power. and you are free. no fear. ready to make real connections. ready to face the real consequuences of your acts. that is how i feel now. that is what this world desesperately needs in a hurry in my honest opinion. recapture the frecking human soul. not the imaginary childhood. fuck that.]]

call me hippie, whatever. i want the real deal.

i dont mean to disrespect anyone here. i am a nobody.
but if someone resonates with what i am saying, give a try to the plant. dmt. mushrooms. what have you. this stuff is called drugs by authorities because you know what authorities want you to do....to kneel before them. but it is not that. It deliveries! Search the lectures of Terence Mackenna. you will see. the psicodelic experience wont happen watching Avatar and its metalanguage of shamanic comunion in a context of 3d movie theater experience. cameron wants to be a god. those amazonic plants are just some hundreads of thousands of years ahead him. and they make you really fly!!!! of course...the word is....LOVE
my past life seem so....pale in comparison.

one more time, my infinite gratitude to all members, cam, atp, jim, jor, the old verissimilitude, metalo, alll of you are like light ghosts to me and you habit this same universe and were part of something that helped deeply when i need it. we are alll here to help one another. that is what i tried to do now. thank you donner. thank you christopher reeve... thank you.

be in light. LOVE. be happy.

Cheers. Hope things are well. The movies and the forum also helped during some rough times as well.... but, well, it is what it is, now. So long as there's some communication, for myself, I'll plug along.

[Rod]

Jun 25, 2014 9:09:06 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Jun 25, 2014 2:48:23 GMT -5 Rod said:

its so clear to me now after certain time has passed that MOS is a fake plastic movie.

theres some beauty to be seen. not much really because it is fake beauty.
and that is it. MOS has no soul at all.

one cant fool oneself forever. i cant fool myself anymore.

but this board has a soul and it was very important for me since 2006. it helped me to endure a very lonely and tough moment of my life during what it seemed to be a nightmare or a deep ilusion. time flies....
so some days ago i did my first experience with holy ayahuasca and my whole life is utterly changed. not fake stuff there boys, oh noes. and it is not self suggestion either. how would be...

why am i saying this? sorry, atp, this is your tread. i just want to close this in my mind and heart.
thinkin about MOS and its fakeness and i just realize that what is missing in this world is connection. real connection. MOS doesn connects with anything that is remotely alive.
its so weird. it looks alive.....but you cant feel it!!!!
anyway, looking back, without this real connection i tried to fill the void with some obssessions like....trying to recapture my childhood thinking endless about STM in the old days of this forum. and S2...ohh the headaches,,,,,,,
i used to think it was a health thing....no, its not. what is this? terapy?
it is precisely what is terribly wrong with this society. Endless talking. Endless books. Endless images and movies being eaten and eaten again. No creation. Just eating behaviour. Consuming. No soul at all.
The Western thinking behaviour sets the example. Or the guns. The world follows.

its the end of inocence. you realized that childhood is put on a pedestal because this life in reality when fully examined is just bullshit with all these models of strict dominance over everything! And its getting faster and faster.
So my concluson was that we dont have to idealize childhood. we have to feel the innocence within right now.
and then you see the ilusion fading away fast....give up the ilusion of power. and you are free. no fear. ready to make real connections. ready to face the real consequuences of your acts. that is how i feel now. that is what this world desesperately needs in a hurry in my honest opinion. recapture the frecking human soul. not the imaginary childhood. fuck that.]]

call me hippie, whatever. i want the real deal.

i dont mean to disrespect anyone here. i am a nobody.
but if someone resonates with what i am saying, give a try to the plant. dmt. mushrooms. what have you. this stuff is called drugs by authorities because you know what authorities want you to do....to kneel before them. but it is not that. It deliveries! Search the lectures of Terence Mackenna. you will see. the psicodelic experience wont happen watching Avatar and its metalanguage of shamanic comunion in a context of 3d movie theater experience. cameron wants to be a god. those amazonic plants are just some hundreads of thousands of years ahead him. and they make you really fly!!!! of course...the word is....LOVE
my past life seem so....pale in comparison.

one more time, my infinite gratitude to all members, cam, atp, jim, jor, the old verissimilitude, metalo, alll of you are like light ghosts to me and you habit this same universe and were part of something that helped deeply when i need it. we are alll here to help one another. that is what i tried to do now. thank you donner. thank you christopher reeve... thank you.

be in light. LOVE. be happy.

Cheers. Hope things are well. The movies and the forum also helped during some rough times as well.... but, well, it is what it is, now. So long as there's some communication, for myself, I'll plug along.

You know, that moment when you know things are well. Thank you.

-for the first time in my life everything is clear.
Oh my son, are you sure?
-mother...i love her.
this holy moment is the real thing put in screen. And chris showed the love.
and "she" is not a person. Not Lois. She is nature. She is the world. But most of all, she is all that was lost in this male dominant ego driven society. Long forgotten....long long ago...she is after all, all healing for all the madness. She is real.
yeah, i love her.

back on track.
yes...mos is old. But dont worry. Other clones will come up to follow the cold buck machinery of this industry. Perhaps some alive spark can come up and change the game. Or maybe they will become old and meaningless also along the product displacement that cant never stops in his junkyard scenario.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 25, 2014 14:42:58 GMT -5 Rod said:

Jun 25, 2014 9:09:06 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Cheers. Hope things are well. The movies and the forum also helped during some rough times as well.... but, well, it is what it is, now. So long as there's some communication, for myself, I'll plug along.

You know, that moment when you know things are well. Thank you.

-for the first time in my life everything is clear.
Oh my son, are you sure?
-mother...i love her.
this holy moment is the real thing put in screen. And chris showed the love.
and "she" is not a person. Not Lois. She is nature. She is the world. But most of all, she is all that was lost in this male dominant ego driven society. Long forgotten....long long ago...she is after all, all healing for all the madness. She is real.
yeah, i love her.

back on track.
yes...mos is old. But dont worry. Other clones will come up to follow the cold buck machinery of this industry. Perhaps some alive spark can come up and change the game. Or maybe they will become old and meaningless also along the product displacement that cant never stops in his junkyard scenario.

I blame Donner.
Donner is a guy who is giantly sentimental, and his STM is unabashedly emotional and personal- and that movie left/still leaves a giant mark on me for many of its scenes and moments that have me almost obsessed with the film- and by proxy, the Superman character. He portrayed Superman as an innocent with a giant heart who wants to save the world that he sees as worth saving.

MOS portrayed Superman as an urban horror story- with nobody all that innocent and a hero that's mind-numbingly oblivious to collateral damage he causes. I probably would have shrugged it off as I did Daredevil with a 'meh. move on.' reaction to it-

But Donner showed the potential and the power that the material could have onscreen.

I'm sure there will be a reboot again. But hopefully it'll be someone with the heart and talent of a Donner next time.

[atp]

Jun 25, 2014 2:48:23 GMT -5 Rod said:

its so clear to me now after certain time has passed that MOS is a fake plastic movie.

theres some beauty to be seen. not much really because it is fake beauty.
and that is it. MOS has no soul at all.

one cant fool oneself forever. i cant fool myself anymore.

I am really surprised in the way so many people here managed to fool themselves about MoS. A lot of the former members seemed pretty intelligent, not to mention fans of Superman, yet they still managed to fool themselves.

Personally, I think they found it too embarrassing to admit that they had been fooled by crafty trailers and a slick, visually impressive movie, and preferred to try convince themselves that it was really good. Of course, the pain of lying to themselves just manifested itself as anger and abuse towards those people who pointed out the film's flaws.

It's like the story of the Emperor's New Clothes.

Many people just thought it was better to go along with the groupthink and not rock the boat. Anyone who upset their sense of security was attacked, personally mocked, and called names like "Reeve Only People."

[stargazer0118]

I haven't seen MOS, because frankly I didn't feel like it, and also because I wanted to let some time pass (time heals..) and judge the movie on its own terms. I never liked Cavill as Superman, but oh well I feel like I'm finally ready to watch with a more open mind.  


People I know who have seen it said they liked it and 2 of them thought this Superman was even better than Brandon.. I have to see it to believe it I guess. 

[crazy_asian_man]

Jul 8, 2014 19:19:22 GMT -5 stargazer0118 said:

I haven't seen MOS, because frankly I didn't feel like it, and also because I wanted to let some time pass (time heals..) and judge the movie on its own terms. I never liked Cavill as Superman, but oh well I feel like I'm finally ready to watch with a more open mind.  


People I know who have seen it said they liked it and 2 of them thought this Superman was even better than Brandon.. I have to see it to believe it I guess. 

Cavill and Routh give two completely takes on Superman- I thought Cavill did a great job, but definitely different than Routh's-

Though, to be fair, SR was supposed to be a continuation of Reeve's Superman, so Routh had to follow in Reeve's footsteps directly, whereas Cavill did not.

There are parts that are brilliant in MOS- but much of the drama is sloppy, and the action feels endless and tiresome.

That it succeeding in getting a sequel and that SR didn't makes it even more painful, unfortunately.

[stargazer0118]

I understand MOS was panned critically, but it still made more $ at the BO.. Besides it'd be too embarrassing for WB NOT to follow it up with a sequel of sorts; too much trouble starting all over again I suppose. But yeah I feel your pain. 

[stargazer0118]

BTW, it's weird to see this place so quiet.. Guess the fights were too intense. It's why I left, because I had no energy or time for that. Just not healthy, IMO. Any way, we have lots of visitors lurking.

[atp]

Jul 9, 2014 10:32:02 GMT -5 stargazer0118 said:

BTW, it's weird to see this place so quiet.. Guess the fights were too intense. It's why I left, because I had no energy or time for that. Just not healthy, IMO. Any way, we have lots of visitors lurking.

It's just the visible parts of the forum that are quiet. The hidden parts are probably as busy as ever.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jul 9, 2014 10:32:02 GMT -5 stargazer0118 said:

BTW, it's weird to see this place so quiet.. Guess the fights were too intense. It's why I left, because I had no energy or time for that. Just not healthy, IMO. Any way, we have lots of visitors lurking.

Admittedly, now and then feels creepy being the one that posts the most- and seeing that many are viewing the posts without saying a thing, can feel weird, but I shrug it off.

Given how the fighting was so intense and unnecessarily personal at times with MOS, I'm too old to care anymore and maybe prefer the quieter forum to ducking verbal bullets back and forth that don't have anything really to do with the topic at hand.

Until a time where I just finally get too bored/tired of it all, I'll just post a thought or opinion, and if someone wants to respond/chat to it, I'm fine keeping going.

[Deleted]

Is it normal for adults to have such an unhealthy obsession with a film they claim to dislike? It's difficult waiting for the next installment when you really want to just sink your teeth into it right now.

[stargazer0118]

Jul 9, 2014 23:30:30 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Jul 9, 2014 10:32:02 GMT -5 stargazer0118 said:

BTW, it's weird to see this place so quiet.. Guess the fights were too intense. It's why I left, because I had no energy or time for that. Just not healthy, IMO. Any way, we have lots of visitors lurking.

Admittedly, now and then feels creepy being the one that posts the most- and seeing that many are viewing the posts without saying a thing, can feel weird, but I shrug it off.

Given how the fighting was so intense and unnecessarily personal at times with MOS, I'm too old to care anymore and maybe prefer the quieter forum to ducking verbal bullets back and forth that don't have anything really to do with the topic at hand.

Until a time where I just finally get too bored/tired of it all, I'll just post a thought or opinion, and if someone wants to respond/chat to it, I'm fine keeping going.

You are such a nice and loyal Supes fan.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jul 10, 2014 19:42:36 GMT -5 stargazer0118 said:

Jul 9, 2014 23:30:30 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Admittedly, now and then feels creepy being the one that posts the most- and seeing that many are viewing the posts without saying a thing, can feel weird, but I shrug it off.

Given how the fighting was so intense and unnecessarily personal at times with MOS, I'm too old to care anymore and maybe prefer the quieter forum to ducking verbal bullets back and forth that don't have anything really to do with the topic at hand.

Until a time where I just finally get too bored/tired of it all, I'll just post a thought or opinion, and if someone wants to respond/chat to it, I'm fine keeping going.

You are such a nice and loyal Supes fan.

Thanks- but I don't know about how 'nice' I am. At times I feel like I'm not sensitive enough to those who LOVE MOS to death with my own reactions to it. Half of my friends love that film as well, half don't- but it never gets personal, nor never needs to be.

I was a 'mild' Superman comic book fan before STM came out. I wasn't even all that excited when I heard news of it, because I was already obsessed with the first Star Wars film- and couldn't quite get or see the possibilities of how a Superman film could be exciting or any good if he could 'do anything'.

Gradually, all the mysterious tv spots (with nothing but giant credits flying through clouds) and no actual footage of Superman being put out there, aside from the few publicity still (smart marketing move)- got me more and more curious- and when I did STM, I was floored by all the creative possibilities that were highlighted by Donner's semi-realistic approach and perfectionism.

(Still HATED the 'turning back time' thing even then, but....)
To have those creative possibilities get cut short by Lester's trashing of Donner's vision in the sequel- and to have those creative possibilities get brought back to life by Singer decades later--- and then get trashed AGAIN by no continuation--- is painful.

With MOS, I accepted that the Donner/Reeve version was put to an end, and was thrilled by the trailers that it could be another 'Batman Begins'- with Superman instead- but I was bummed that Snyder didn't overcome his own weaknesses with executing drama and romance in his films. There's a lot of brilliant exciting bits that feel like a breath of fresh air- but there's a lot in the script that also feels like a lesser version than what was offered before. (Much like the Robocop reboot which wasn't horrible, but definitely wasn't better nor as good as the original).

I still think there's probably a fan cut out there that's sensational with MOS- and rework the 'touchy' bits with the collateral damage and whatnot.... but I enjoy MOS much like a tv version of Superman. There's so many versions with different fans who love different ones over the others, but personally I thought/think mainly only the Donner and some seasons of the tv Superboy really 'hit the mark' for me of a close enough to perfect adaptation of it.

Anyhow- hopefully Batman vs. Superman ends up being something that suprises in a good way. Good if they're not rushing it.