Was dropping Brando footage from S2 the right choice?

[ChrisM]

May 16, 2015 4:08:19 GMT -5 atp said:

I wish there were another way to have Superman lose his powers.

The whole "giving them up to marry lois" thing is just stupid.

Plus, the idea of Jor El sending along a molecule chamber with red sun rays just in case his son decides to become human is just childish and even more stupid. What happened to "He will need that advantage to survive"?

Problem is, if you lose the molecule chamber, you also lose the way he defeats the villains at the end. He would instead have to break each of their necks, like he did in MoS.

Or... we could sit in a room and think of something that is not as stupid. Maybe instead of a molecule chamber he just lathers up on sunscreen?

[atp]

May 20, 2015 11:04:05 GMT -5 ChrisM said:

May 16, 2015 4:08:19 GMT -5 atp said:

I wish there were another way to have Superman lose his powers.

The whole "giving them up to marry lois" thing is just stupid.

Plus, the idea of Jor El sending along a molecule chamber with red sun rays just in case his son decides to become human is just childish and even more stupid. What happened to "He will need that advantage to survive"?

Problem is, if you lose the molecule chamber, you also lose the way he defeats the villains at the end. He would instead have to break each of their necks, like he did in MoS.

Or... we could sit in a room and think of something that is not as stupid. Maybe instead of a molecule chamber he just lathers up on sunscreen?

Good idea. Try to do it please.

[EnriqueH]

I liked the Lara scenes in Superman II better as well, but I also enjoyed seeing the Brando footage.

As has already been said, I think editing could be the factor (did they choose Brando's best takes? Could the shots being edited a bit more tightly?)

For me the problem wasn't Brando so much as REEVE.

If I remember correctly, the Brando-Reeve scenes were the first scenes Reeve filmed for the movie? He comes across as a bit more theatrical, emoting and telegraphing his emotions like crazy, and so it looks like it can be misinterpreted as "bad acting" or "overacting", but I believe his acting style was more "theatrical", which would make sense given that this was his first major film. But it's also the wrong "note" for a film. (He also may have also been trying to match Brando's stature, this being his first (EDIT: major) film role and having to share his first scenes as a major film actor with the greatest film actor of all time.)

However, it's pretty clear that by the time they were filming his scenes with Susannah York, Reeve found his rhythm as a "film actor" as opposed to "theatrical" and his emoting became more "natural" and realistic.

I have a book about film acting where Jack Lemmon talks about his first movie and Lemmon said that the director was telling him, "Less, Jack." "Give me less, Jack." "Less, Jack."

Lemmon said this went on for days with him "acting his head off" and the director telling him, "Less". Finally, Lemmon got frustrated and said, "Are you telling me to not act?!" And the director replied, "Oh, God, yes!"

So I think it's obvious the same can be said with Reeve in the early part of filming Superman.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 28, 2015 20:31:10 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I liked the Lara scenes in Superman II better as well, but I also enjoyed seeing the Brando footage.

As has already been said, I think editing could be the factor (did they choose Brando's best takes? Could the shots being edited a bit more tightly?)

For me the problem wasn't Brando so much as REEVE.

If I remember correctly, the Brando-Reeve scenes were the first scenes Reeve filmed for the movie? He comes across as a bit more theatrical, emoting and telegraphing his emotions like crazy, and so it looks like it can be misinterpreted as "bad acting" or "overacting", but I believe his acting style was more "theatrical", which would make sense given that this was his first major film. But it's also the wrong "note" for a film. (He also may have also been trying to match Brando's stature, this being his first (EDIT: major) film role and having to share his first scenes as a major film actor with the greatest film actor of all time.)

However, it's pretty clear that by the time they were filming his scenes with Susannah York, Reeve found his rhythm as a "film actor" as opposed to "theatrical" and his emoting became more "natural" and realistic.

I have a book about film acting where Jack Lemmon talks about his first movie and Lemmon said that the director was telling him, "Less, Jack." "Give me less, Jack." "Less, Jack."

Lemmon said this went on for days with him "acting his head off" and the director telling him, "Less". Finally, Lemmon got frustrated and said, "Are you telling me to not act?!" And the director replied, "Oh, God, yes!"

So I think it's obvious the same can be said with Reeve in the early part of filming Superman.

I thought the same thing might have been possible--- but it's hard to know without seeing all the other takes that were available.

Thau's mistakes were so plentiful in the RDC, it's hard to draw a conclusion on a LOT of the performances in it.

[atp]

Brando's scenes were crap in S2

[crazy_asian_man]

Jul 14, 2022 14:56:36 GMT -5 atp said:

Brando's scenes were crap in S2

Well.... the takes we saw may or may not have been the best takes. For sure, the depowering was missing a lot unshot pieces...