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Post by Metallo on Aug 3, 2018 14:30:00 GMT -5
I think Universal has distribution rights for Hulk but not production rights. They can’t just decide to make a movie without Marvel studios involvement. Likewise if Marvel studios decides to make a Hulk movie Universal has to distribute it and share in the profits. Disney’s not going to do that.
Most of the non dc and non marvel movies haven’t made a ton of money so that’s why not many studios have tried much with other companies comic book properties. Kingsmen and Kickass did ok but the sequels not so much. RIPD flopped. The heckboy movies weren’t big earners. The general audience don’t really know most image or dark horse or valiant characters so they’re missing that recognizability they studios like. Someone’s finally trying with Valiant but I don’t have high hopes for that. Marvel and DC characters have built in fanbases that are larger and recognition that’s greater.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 3, 2018 23:37:15 GMT -5
I think Universal has distribution rights for Hulk but not production rights. They can’t just decide to make a movie without Marvel studios involvement. Likewise if Marvel it Marvel studios decides to make a Hulk movie Universal has to distribute it and share in the profits. Disney’s not going to do that. Most of the non dc and non marvel movies haven’t made a ton of money so that’s why not many studios have tried much with other companies comic book properties. Kingsmen and Kickass did ok but the sequels not so much. RIPD flopped. The heckboy movies weren’t big earners. The general audience don’t really know most image or dark horse or valiant characters so they’re missing that recognizability they studios like. Someone’s finally trying with Valiant but I don’t have high hopes for that. Marvel and DC characters have built in fanbases that are larger and recognition that’s greater. I remember Mark Ruffalo vaguely mentioning it was a bit of a mess between the companies, hence, no Hulk standalone movie. I am surprised that the other studios aren't as hungry to try to pursue a superhero franchise outside of DC/Marvel just based on the box office dollars that the MCU is/has generated. There's certainly plenty of superhero properties outside of DC/Marvel, just not as popular. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 4, 2018 10:24:09 GMT -5
That’s why. Even the biggest superheroes from other companies don’t compare. Spawns movie flopped and the comics haven’t been relevant in years. Most people don’t know most of those image or dark horse characters and in an era where TMNT the FF and even some X-men movies underperform lots of studios don’t see it as worth the time effort or risk. Now if it was like it was ten years ago and more of the Marvel rights were spread in the wind we’d be seeing more movies. Fox tried to get another daredevil movie going but they ran out of time.
As for Hulk Marvels played hardball with other studios who had rights. That’s why they basically did very little with the X-men and FF in comics for years. They aren’t going to promote the characters and help Fox was with publicity or by giving them story material. The only reason they didn’t do that with Spider-Man was because their relationship with Sony was better and Sony sold them back the rest of Spideys merchandising rights years ago. Marvel will never make a Hulk solo movie as long as universal has distribution rights. Marvel would rather use hulk the way they are instead of putting money in Universals pocket. It’s the same reason nothing’s happened with Namor.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2018 0:15:52 GMT -5
That’s why. Even the biggest superheroes from other companies don’t compare. Spawns movie flopped and the comics haven’t been relevant in years. Most people don’t know most of those image or dark horse characters and in an era where TMNT the FF and even some X-men movies underperform lots of studios don’t see it as worth the time effort or risk. Now if it was like it was ten years ago and more of the Marvel rights were spread in the wind we’d be seeing more movies. Fox tried to get another daredevil movie going but they ran out of time. As for Hulk Marvels played hardball with other studios who had rights. That’s why they basically did very little with the X-men and FF in comics for years. They aren’t going to promote the characters and help Fox was with publicity or by giving them story material. The only reason they didn’t do that with Spider-Man was because their relationship with Sony was better and Sony sold them back the rest of Spideys merchandising rights years ago. Marvel will never make a Hulk solo movie as long as universal has distribution rights. Marvel would rather use hulk the way they are instead of putting money in Universals pocket. It’s the same reason nothing’s happened with Namor. If Aquaman hits it big, it'll be interesting to see if Namor pops back up..... but imo he's more interesting as a supporting character to FF than as a solo entity. Interesting that FF3 was going to feature Namor. Hm. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 7, 2018 11:54:40 GMT -5
I think if they can use him and they do use him it’ll be in a team up movie. The question is where do you put him?
One possibility would be in a flashback with Captain America in an invaders type of situation but I’m not sure what movie that would go in.
The most obvious place would be a fantastic four movie. Namor has deep ties to that comic.
They could also put him in a black panther movie if they came up with the right story. Maybe Wakanda versus Atlantis with some kind of invasion/war story down the line. Sounds pretty absurd but Marvels at the point were they could pull it off
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Post by Metallo on Aug 7, 2018 11:55:38 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Aug 16, 2018 0:23:23 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 19, 2018 18:30:11 GMT -5
By Neal Adams Awesome! The guy is legend for good reason. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 21, 2018 17:29:45 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 22, 2018 5:17:58 GMT -5
I haven't seen an English language version of that Empire magazine. Wonder if it was an exclusive to Mexico?
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Post by Metallo on Sept 15, 2018 9:29:42 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Sept 19, 2018 13:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 20, 2018 0:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Sept 21, 2018 14:51:03 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 23, 2018 1:09:13 GMT -5
Snyder’s never going to live it down is he? Well.... I still have to give Snyder this: he still made the best Batman action sequences. Here's hoping whoever his stunt coordinators are, that they're going to work for the new Batman film.... though I'm not sure about how interesting an angst-free Batman that focuses more on the detective work will be... but, who knows? I thought a movie focused on a young Magneto was going to be a bust.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2018 11:07:34 GMT -5
Kind of a shame we never got that but I guess we got a little of it since they combined the Magneto prequel with the X-men prequel. Maybe it worked out for the best because it made for a great film. Gonna be interesting to see how Feige handles the X-men. Magneto would have to be almost 90 if they want to keep the holocaust elements of his origin. I’d argue that’s more important to him than Vietnam is to the Punisher but they had to drop that too.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2018 11:29:26 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 23, 2018 19:33:07 GMT -5
Kind of a shame we never got that but I guess we got a little of it since they combined the Magneto prequel with the X-men prequel. Maybe it worked out for the best because it made for a great film. Gonna be interesting to see how Feige handles the X-men. Magneto would have to be almost 90 if they want to keep the holocaust elements of his origin. I’d argue that’s more important to him than Vietnam is to the Punisher but they had to drop that too. I think since (sadly) nazis haven't ever fully gone away, there could be a fictional vague European country where his family still was destroyed by a community that embraced those ideas, to fuel Magneto's rage- it's not exactly the same, of course, but that's probably what I'd do- even if does unfortunately water things down a bit. Speaking of which.... in the next Superman reboot-along the same lines, it's sad to see how the Daily Planet newspaper might have to be a digital one (perhaps). No more phone booths ever again, though... unless AT&T goes retro on it's tech soon.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2018 21:40:59 GMT -5
That’s really the only way I could think of to do it. Use some other genocide or mass murder from history. Sadly there are plenty of those. With him being Jewish though that particular tragedy really added to his backstory.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 23, 2018 22:08:34 GMT -5
That’s really the only way I could think of to do it. Use some other genocide or mass murder from history. Sadly there are plenty of those. With him being Jewish though that particular tragedy really added to his backstory. The WW2 horror is probably so strong that it's hard to think of another one that would fit as well for what we think of for Magneto- maybe keep WW2 and freeze him on ice like Captain America? |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 25, 2018 10:10:44 GMT -5
It’s hard for some characters who are so strongly tied to specific times or events in history. Wolverines aging is slowed and Captain America can be kept on ice longer but for others like Iron Man, Punisher, Magneto, and others it presents real challenges. Even if Magneto were to go into suspended animation of some kind you have to deal with Xavier’s age too because they’ve known each other since they were young men. If you want to keep that element there has to be a fix. Maybe wake up Magneto at a certain point when Charles is still young then physically they age at the same rate even though Magneto is far older chronologically.
It’s strange how more Marvel characters have this problem than DC characters. Best examples I can think of for DC are the JSA, Deathstroke, and Captain Atom. There have been workarounds for the JSA and You could get away with saying captain atom doesn't age as a quantum being. Deathstroke presents some problems but it seems like DC has decided to basically ignore his Vietnam era history and most people don’t seem to be bothered.
Then there are Cold War characters like black widow and kgbeast. Soviet Unions been gone for over 25 years but I think you can get away with some changes there.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 26, 2018 12:42:22 GMT -5
It’s hard for some characters who are so strongly tied to specific times or events in history. Wolverines aging is slowed and Captain America can be kept on ice longer but for others like Iron Man, Punisher, Magneto, and others it presents real challenges. Even if Magneto were to go into suspended animation of some kind you have to deal with Xavier’s age too because they’ve known each other since they were young men. If you want to keep that element there has to be a fix. Maybe wake up Magneto at a certain point when Charles is still young then physically they age at the same rate even though Magneto is far older chronologically. It’s strange how more Marvel characters have this problem than DC characters. Best examples I can think of for DC are the JSA, Deathstroke, and Captain Atom. There have been workarounds for the JSA and You could get away with saying captain atom doesn't age as a quantum being. Deathstroke presents some problems but it seems like DC has decided to basically ignore his Vietnam era history and most people don’t seem to be bothered. Then there are Cold War characters like black widow and kgbeast. Soviet Unions been gone for over 25 years but I think you can get away with some changes there. I think the reason Marvel has the problem more is that most of DC's main lineup had already been rebooted from the World War 2 era- and very little specifically tied to an actual war or piece of history in most of DC's heroes. Plus, Marvel's strength was that they chose to be a little more rooted in reality and at the time/place they were in. Hence, New York versus the fictional Metropolis, etc. So- I'm not quite as surprised, as DC's characters seemed to start off moreso on a fantasy emphasis than Marvel's..... though it's odd how the DCEU was launched on dark and gritty which was more Marvel's foundation (at least a bit more) than DC's. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 26, 2018 17:20:44 GMT -5
You’re right Marvel has always been more rooted in reality while DC was rooted in fantasy. Even in their origins. The Marvel heroes operate out of real places while many of DCs don’t. There are positives and negatives that come with that. Most of their main characters weren’t so strongly tied to specific events. Superman and Batman and others had some ties to real wars but not so much that it couldn’t be discarded in the main continuity even before crisis.
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