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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 22, 2019 22:51:39 GMT -5
(Most of) the many versions of General Zod. By ClarkyBoingo  I noticed a few aren’t pictured like Kryptons Zod but this is most of his looks through the years. It’s impressive how influential Terrence Stamps Zod still is on the character. The modern idea of Zod is probably based on him and his performance more than anything else. I never cared for many of his comic book designs. I just never felt like they nailed it down perfectly. There are a few I like though. It's a great graphic. No one can really come close to Stamp's Zod... Donner and Stamp's creation of Zod is so well done, that everyone else has to compete with their version... having said that. I was curious and thrilled when the rumors of SR having Jude Law as a young General Zod came up- that might have really worked. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 24, 2019 19:39:28 GMT -5
It really is interesting to see his evolution across various mediums. I never rated the silver age version of the character from comics very high. I wasn’t even all that impressed with later comic book incarnations. It seems like they just began to figure out the character in the comics in the 2000s.
Stamps incarnation really did overshadow them all for years and in a lot of ways still does. I think he just brought a charm and magnetism that most of the other versions lacked. They were all pompous but with Stamp you couldn’t take your eyes off him. Even as the villain he was loaded with charm. Its one reason I think Michael Shannon’s version never did take off quite the same way. I didn’t mind a different take but he lacked that arrogant swagger. Zod has always worked better as a confident would be conqueror with a desire for power rather than a just pure soldier. I think I liked Colin Salmons portrayal so much because they went back to that. He’s slimy but he also thinks he knows what’s best for Krypton because of his massive ego.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 25, 2019 15:15:35 GMT -5
It really is interesting to see his evolution across various mediums. I never rated the silver age version of the character from comics very high. I wasn’t even all that impressed with later comic book incarnations. It seems like they just began to figure out the character in the comics in the 2000s. Stamps incarnation really did overshadow them all for years and in a lot of ways still does. I think he just brought a charm and magnetism that most of the other versions lacked. They were all pompous but with Stamp you couldn’t take your eyes off him. Even as the villain he was loaded with charm. Its one reason I think Michael Shannon’s version never did take off quite the same way. I didn’t mind a different take but he lacked that arrogant swagger. Zod has always worked better as a confident would be conqueror with a desire for power rather than a just pure soldier. I think I liked Colin Salmons portrayal so much because they went back to that. He’s slimy but he also thinks he knows what’s best for Krypton because of his massive ego. If Donner had been able to stay & they had kept the Phantom Zone criminals de=powered and put in a jail for sequels.... then it would have been interesting to have seen one of the Mank/Donner Superman sequels with Stamp possibly returning in the role in some capacity. Stamp's scary restraint and intensity made a giant mark, as it's the first 'real' scene in STM--- it's a pity that the cliffhanger didn't stay in place to bookend it with Stamp's Zod flying at you at the end. I agree that NO actor has been able to equal Stamp's Zod. Shannon had a chance, though, I thought- Michael Shannon's version just wasn't written/designed as well. I don't feel it's Shannon's fault- but Goyer/Snyder's. The Smallville Zod lacked the magnetism and power to me. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 25, 2019 17:51:20 GMT -5
I pretty much agree across the board. And it would have been interesting to see Stamps Zod locked up years later without his powers. If Reeve hadn’t been injured and if by some miracle we’d gotten a heads later Superman sequel like what we’re getting with other franchises now bringing Zod back for a cameo would have been great.
I’m not sure how you’d do it now. If the multiverse still exists in some form after Crisis maybe they could do some kind of episode with Stamp on Supergirl. The clock is ticking though.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 25, 2019 23:18:36 GMT -5
I pretty much agree across the board. And it would have been interesting to see Stamps Zod locked up years later without his powers. If Reeve hadn’t been injured and if by some miracle we’d gotten a heads later Superman sequel like what we’re getting with other franchises now bringing Zod back for a cameo would have been great. I’m not sure how you’d do it now. If the multiverse still exists in some form after Crisis maybe they could do some kind of episode with Stamp on Supergirl. The clock is ticking though. If only Donner had been given the opportunity to have been 'Kevin Feige' over the Superman franchise back then.... who knows what kinds of fantastic stories we could have gotten. I love his comments that they would have gone back to the source to make new films. I wouldn't have been surprised if WB would have jumped onto Batman sooner and ask for more if Donner and Man had been the overseer of the Superman franchise & other DC properties back in the 80s. Reeve also respected Donner so much, I could have seen Reeve constantly bouncing back and forth to do even more Superman films if Donner were producer. He was ready to come back for SIV (and it's interesting to wonder what might have happened if Donner and Mank did come back to SIV- and use some muscle to get more financing if Canon couldn't support a Donner budget) so he was definitely game to do more then. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 26, 2019 9:41:35 GMT -5
Agreed. If Donner had stuck around and the quality had remained high and Superman got Reeve more of other Opportunities he might have stuck around for a long time. Who knows he might be playing Superman now. Look at all the other actors from 70s franchises that are still doing it.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 4, 2019 19:53:54 GMT -5
Nice. They got creative with this one. Pretty timely with The Black Widow trailer just dropping. Can’t be a coincidence. I knew this was coming but figured it would be closer to the end of the month. Looks like they took advantage and went for some synergy.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 16, 2019 4:25:57 GMT -5
Those are pretty neat--- though would have been nice if the editors had used other footage besides just from SR for some of the other shots... |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 16, 2019 4:28:15 GMT -5
I remember a few years ago being so excited to buy the Flash series on dvd... and then having trouble getting through them. The stories were just SO dry despite a great lead & co-star... almost forgot how far things have progressed with story and action in superhero television shows since that time--- though I still feel they can go a lot lot further still.... |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 17, 2019 8:23:22 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 17, 2019 11:49:36 GMT -5
That video is hilarious- can imagine all the time & effort for something so silly. Fun, though!  |
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Post by Metallo on Jan 8, 2020 16:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 9, 2020 13:07:24 GMT -5
Pretty neat- I liked a lot of parts of this, but this also showed me that they were wise not to include TOO many cameos of the wave approaching--- after awhile, it really dulls the impact. They were smart to spread it out a bit. |
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Post by Metallo on Jan 18, 2020 11:38:20 GMT -5
There are a couple of these I didn’t even notice.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 18, 2020 12:55:41 GMT -5
Some pretty clever editing of footage from Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Gotham, BvS, Titans, Batwoman and other sources. It fits together surprisingly well.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 19, 2020 1:46:47 GMT -5
It is neat- a lot of work... but it also makes one kind of long for one grand overseer who knew how to sew all these together properly 'for reals' (so to speak).
The closest thing so far is Berlianti's Crisis on INfinite Eart hs which I wish got much higher ratings and made a bigger impact on the mainstream.... but, then again, with the overflow of superhero material I can't even keep up with now, can't complain about anything. If the comics were incredibly difficult to have all the creators get involved with, with their individual titles, I can't blame the tv show runners for having the same problem.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 19, 2020 10:17:49 GMT -5
I think it’s just too difficult to keep as many shows as there are now working together smoothly in unison. Between CW, DCU, HBO, and all the other networks how many DC shows have we had on in just the last five years alone? I think they just find it much easier and much more creatively freeing to let each show do what they want. Because most of the major lead characters are off limits creators have to work with spin off or prequel shows like Krypton or Gotham or Pennyworth which could be good shows but most people aren’t interested in watching. Not many are interested in a Batman show with no Batman.
Like you said Crisis didn’t get massive ratings but then how many superhero shows ever have? I could probably count them on one hand and still have fingers unused. There’s not enough incentive there to put that kind of effort in sadly. It’s always been difficult for superhero shows to draw large audiences for whatever reason. They’re like the niche within niche shows and for what they cost compared to other kinds of shows it’s not worth it to production companies and networks. That’s exponentially more true in today’s age of streaming and cable and dvr where ratings for all networks are eroding faster and faster. Numbers that would get a show cancelled 20 or 30 years ago are considered a hit today. Lois & Clark would be seen as a big success on ABC today even with its fourth season ratings.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 19, 2020 22:31:13 GMT -5
New piece by Alex Ross. Christopher Reeve and Nicholas Hammond.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 19, 2020 22:54:25 GMT -5
I think it’s just too difficult to keep as many shows as there are now working together smoothly in unison. Between CW, DCU, HBO, and all the other networks how many DC shows have we had on in just the last five years alone? I think they just find it much easier and much more creatively freeing to let each show do what they want. Because most of the major lead characters are off limits creators have to work with spin off or prequel shows like Krypton or Gotham or Pennyworth which could be good shows but most people aren’t interested in watching. Not many are interested in a Batman show with no Batman. Like you said Crisis didn’t get massive ratings but then how many superhero shows ever have? I could probably count them on one hand and still have fingers unused. There’s not enough incentive there to put that kind of effort in sadly. It’s always been difficult for superhero shows to draw large audiences for whatever reason. They’re like the niche within niche shows and for what they cost compared to other kinds of shows it’s not worth it to production companies and networks. That’s exponentially more true in today’s age of streaming and cable and dvr where ratings for all networks are eroding faster and faster. Numbers that would get a show cancelled 20 or 30 years ago are considered a hit today. Lois & Clark would be seen as a big success on ABC today even with its fourth season ratings. Again--- While I've always been a bit moderate in my enthusiasm for much of the Berlianti tv shows (if they subtracted the dull romances it might help a lot)- I can't give Berlianti & company enough credit for what they pulled off with Crisis- and WITH their limitations. As far as the 'shows without the main character'--- It's really got to be amazing for me to want to watch it. Smallville was already pushing my limits with it's 'before he became a hero he never wore a costume'- annoying bit. I still cringe when I think of Sony's contemplation of an Aunt May solo film awhile back. With ratings and the multiple venues for viewing.... I don't know how things are figured out at this point--- Just as movies that bomb in the US sometimes make their profits from overseas, who knows if Netflix deals/dvd sales/etc. help the bottom line and make ratings less relevant? I caught Crisis online with the free streaming with commercials, so I wonder how that plays into the numbers--- but, again, I do think it's nice when good work is rewarded and recognized--- so, hopefully WB/DC was happy with the results and let Berlianti do more. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 19, 2020 22:55:31 GMT -5
New piece by Alex Ross. Christopher Reeve and Nicholas Hammond. That one is fantastic. There are some Alex Ross bits where the composition or references sometimes bug me, but that one is a keeper!  |
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