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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 17, 2016 18:07:19 GMT -5
I missed the article where Christopher Nolan blames audiences for clinging to the Adam West or Michael Keaton version for lack of universal fan approval....
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the article by the makers of Smallville for blaming audiences for clinging to the Reeve version only of Superman... though, then again, that alternate version lasted ten years.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 19, 2016 11:16:11 GMT -5
I think the bottom line is that Zack isn't happy that more audiences and fans aren't supporting his interpretation of Superman.
He's right that there have been many different interpretations in the comics- (the long hair and ponytail, switching from the newspaper to having Clark Kent be a tv reporter, getting married to Lois, etc.)- but even with the change of audiences, the comic books keep coming back to certain core things about Superman- because most people seem to feel that's what is fundamentally the 'correct' view of Superman.
Funny how not so many things change to Spiderman.
I like some of the things that came with having Snyder take on Superman, but I think because of certain changes that didn't feel equal to or better than what's come in the past, mostly it's because it's not (to me) the 'official' version of adapting Superman.
I'll bring it up again: People love Keaton/Burton's Batman- but when Nolan's Batman came out and people felt it more faithful and deeper than the older one, many were fine using the newer one to favor it.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 19, 2016 12:49:09 GMT -5
I missed the article where Christopher Nolan blames audiences for clinging to the Adam West or Michael Keaton version for lack of universal fan approval.... ...or... the article by the makers of Smallville for blaming audiences for clinging to the Reeve version only of Superman... though, then again, that alternate version lasted ten years. Hmn... You guys have heard me say how this shows how insecure some people are when they blame previous iterations for theirs not getting over. Len Wiseman did the same thing when his Total Recall tanked. When you've got to blame or tear down the guy before you it shows you can't sell your own product any other way. The people behind the MCU don't tear down Bixbys Hulk. They embrace it. Nolan didn't go out of his way to bash the Burton Batman or the Dozier Batman. but for some reason certain people involved in MOS go out of their way to point out why they didn't like previous versions of Superman. It seems petty. Respect the guy before you then do your own thing. Or don't even mention them at all. Seems far classier. It's also passing blame for failure. Mos didn't miss because people couldn't let go of the Reeve era. If a film is good enough people will happily embrace something new. Burton's batman was a huge hit but it didn't keep Nolans batman from being an even bigger hit. The stuff Snyder is always saying seems like more of a way to deflect blame. That's Hollywood for you. No one is accountable and failure IS an orphan. I get protecting your opportunities but you can also admit "hey it's not perfect" |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 19, 2016 13:06:59 GMT -5
I think the bottom line is that Zack isn't happy that more audiences and fans aren't supporting his interpretation of Superman. He's right that there have been many different interpretations in the comics- (the long hair and ponytail, switching from the newspaper to having Clark Kent be a tv reporter, getting married to Lois, etc.)- but even with the change of audiences, the comic books keep coming back to certain core things about Superman- because most people seem to feel that's what is fundamentally the 'correct' view of Superman. Funny how not so many things change to Spiderman. I like some of the things that came with having Snyder take on Superman, but I think because of certain changes that didn't feel equal to or better than what's come in the past, mostly it's because it's not (to me) the 'official' version of adapting Superman. I'll bring it up again: People love Keaton/Burton's Batman- but when Nolan's Batman came out and people felt it more faithful and deeper than the older one, many were fine using the newer one to favor it. Yeah. You can make changes but when you stray too far away from the core of what these characters and stories are about it stops being what draws people to them in the first place. A huge flaw Snyders movies don't address is just who IS Superman? Why does he do what he does? With Batman we got a real clear explanation of why West, Keaton, Bale, even Kilmers Batmen put on that suit. Love or hate em we know why the Supermen Reeve, Reeves, Routh, and Cain played put on that suit. We know what they fight for. They're doing it because they want to. Not because someone else wants them to. With Cavills Superman he doesn't even seem to be doing it for that reason in MOS. He seems to be doing it because it what he's "supposed" to do not because it's what he wants to do. Snyders Batman suffers some of the same problems but Affleck knows the character well enough to get beyond most script failings. Nolan made sure we got right down to WHY Joker does what he does and why he and Batman are equal yet opposing forces. They literally sit down and hash it out at a table. Snyder has no interest in that. Character motivations need to be clear for people to invest. |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 19, 2016 13:20:16 GMT -5
The question is who is superman. Why does he do what he does?! What's his core? Superman was created as a crusader for the common man. I think through all the changes superman fights for the people, he wants to protect and help people, he's compassionate. At the same time he's of a humble upbringing and doesn't see himself as special or above anyone else. He's an optimist.
Yes he can be flawed or get angry or make mistakes but he's still someone trying to do the best he can. I think Superman saying "no one stays good on his world" in BvS was a fundamental misunderstanding and betrayal of the character. What he said *might* be true but the fact that he of all people "broke" and considered that just felt wrong. Even at his lowest Superman saying not just that people can do evil but WILL do evil is the kind of judgement that's totally out of character. The capacity for evil and the certainty for evil arent the same thing.
Batmans far more of a pessimist even if he believes that the fight for good shouldn't be abandoned. That's the difference in how the two characters experienced things. Once those opposing views of the world grow closer the potency of their interactions weakens.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 19, 2016 14:53:46 GMT -5
The question is who is superman. Why does he do what he does?! What's his core? Superman was created as a crusader for the common man. I think through all the changes superman fights for the people, he wants to protect and help people, he's compassionate. At the same time he's of a humble upbringing and doesn't see himself as special or above anyone else. He's an optimist. Yes he can be flawed or get angry or make mistakes but he's still someone trying to do the best he can. I think Superman saying "no one stays good on his world" in BvS was a fundamental misunderstanding and betrayal of the character. What he said *might* be true but the fact that he of all people "broke" and considered that just felt wrong. Even at his lowest Superman saying not just that people can do evil but WILL do evil is the kind of judgement that's totally out of character. The capacity for evil and the certainty for evil arent the same thing. Batmans far more of a pessimist even if he believes that the fight for good shouldn't be abandoned. That's the difference in how the two characters experienced things. Once those opposing views of the world grow closer the potency of their interactions weakens. Agreed. I think it's the same problem that happened (well, in addition to low budgets and low tech) to early tv superhero adaptations that went south creatively. Either the writers feel their changes are better than the source material or flat out can't understand or get the character to work for them. Geoff johns once said in an interview that some writers feel like the Superman foundations are too dated or are unworkable as is, when he feels it's not the source material that's broken, but limits of writers to believe in it. |
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Post by atp on Apr 19, 2016 15:26:27 GMT -5
With better material,i am sure Cavill would be amazing. He's probably the best successor to Reeve we could hope for.
Out of curiosity, I would love to have seen Cavill in STM. Or Reeve in MoS.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 19, 2016 16:16:38 GMT -5
With better material,i am sure Cavill would be amazing. He's probably the best successor to Reeve we could hope for. Out of curiosity, I would love to have seen Cavill in STM. Or Reeve in MoS. My post got erased. Dammmmmn. To summarize I think Reeve could handle MOS easily but I'm not sure Cavill could pull off STM as well. He had trouble with the clunkier dialogue in BVS. Reeve perfectly walked a fine wire act with intelligence, comic timing, sternness, etc. Cavill has the physique and the looks. The hair and physique can be worked on though. Routh and Welling had the natural height. I think Routh had a warmer more approachable look that worked better. Cavill tries "warm" and I'm not as convinced. I think Cavill looks better from various different angles though. There were some shots at certain angles where Routh didn't look as good. I think like Reeve Routh had the better jawline but Cavill naturally had the thicker neck to fill it all out. I also think he has the more chiseled features. Reeve had a more a symmetrical face than both of them though. |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 19, 2016 16:41:11 GMT -5
The question is who is superman. Why does he do what he does?! What's his core? Superman was created as a crusader for the common man. I think through all the changes superman fights for the people, he wants to protect and help people, he's compassionate. At the same time he's of a humble upbringing and doesn't see himself as special or above anyone else. He's an optimist. Yes he can be flawed or get angry or make mistakes but he's still someone trying to do the best he can. I think Superman saying "no one stays good on his world" in BvS was a fundamental misunderstanding and betrayal of the character. What he said *might* be true but the fact that he of all people "broke" and considered that just felt wrong. Even at his lowest Superman saying not just that people can do evil but WILL do evil is the kind of judgement that's totally out of character. The capacity for evil and the certainty for evil arent the same thing. Batmans far more of a pessimist even if he believes that the fight for good shouldn't be abandoned. That's the difference in how the two characters experienced things. Once those opposing views of the world grow closer the potency of their interactions weakens. Agreed. I think it's the same problem that happened (well, in addition to low budgets and low tech) to early tv superhero adaptations that went south creatively. Either the writers feel their changes are better than the source material or flat out can't understand or get the character to work for them. Geoff johns once said in an interview that some writers feel like the Superman foundations are too dated or are unworkable as is, when he feels it's not the source material that's broken, but limits of writers to believe in it. I yeah I think it's why we're seeing the Clark Lois superman love triangle and the classic Clark Kent secret identity being done away with. In fact a lot of movies are dropping parts of all of the secret Id. Iron man and Green Lantern did it. I don't ever think we will see a Robin in live action again even if he's a 20 something. The love triangle really doesn't work as well the more you have Lois and superman spend time together. It's doable but real work as to be put into it. She'd have to not interact so much with one identity. If she didn't talk to or know Clark well it coukd work. He pines from afar while she barely knows he exists. Otherwise it just doesn't work with her. I wonder what other elements they think feel dated? Some things are obvious. I'm not sure how much longer the daily planet will be primarily a print newspaper and not an even more diverse media company. They started making blogs and stuff like that a part of the Planet 16 years ago. You're right about adaptation drift. We're finally getting past those writer biases just when certain things are becoming outdated. Costumed villians were rare before Smallville. Before then you always got the feeling gust writers thought they could "fix" or improve on certain comic book elements by changing or eliminating them. Now they're finally embracing them. They never would have tried Grodd on the 1990 Flash tv show. Captain Cold looks more like his comic book counterpart on the CW show than he did on the CBS show.  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 23, 2022 12:43:45 GMT -5
With better material,i am sure Cavill would be amazing. He's probably the best successor to Reeve we could hope for. Have you changed your mind on this, ATP? I know I have. |
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Post by atp on Jul 23, 2022 14:42:53 GMT -5
With better material,i am sure Cavill would be amazing. He's probably the best successor to Reeve we could hope for. Have you changed your mind on this, ATP? I know I have. Yes, I have confess I was very mistaken. I was too carried away by the way he looked in the uniform. But absolutely, I have changed my mind. Especially after seeing the crap performances in BvS and JL. The closest to a Reeve successor is Brandon Routh. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 23, 2022 23:14:54 GMT -5
Have you changed your mind on this, ATP? I know I have. Yes, I have confess I was very mistaken. I was too carried away by the way he looked in the uniform. But absolutely, I have changed my mind. Especially after seeing the crap performances in BvS and JL. The closest to a Reeve successor is Brandon Routh. It's no secret I think Routh is the only and best choice right now to continue Superman in live action. But if it turned out to be Cavill returning, I'm sort of used to him moreso than Hoechlin. If not Routh, then rebooting fresh with a new face might work.... but all depending on all the other elements in the movie. On the flip side- having a standalone Superman movie series might be limiting, but having it as a shared universe with DC seems chaotic at this point. Lose-lose? |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2022 8:48:27 GMT -5
It just depends on how good it is. Anything that drops the Snyderverse and does something different is already an improvement.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2022 22:25:10 GMT -5
It just depends on how good it is. Anything that drops the Snyderverse and does something different is already an improvement. I guess that's always the thing at the end that counts the most... How good is this/that movie? I was hoping with the MCU, that Feige had the master touch and that he had more freedom after Endgame.... but what's come out is a mixed bag. The MCU is/was the bar that I thought would get other studios trying out superhero films to try to stay to or look up to- but with it being hit/miss still.... I guess I should just feel grateful any film is a creative success rather than expecting too much from a whole franchise or shared universe. I do wonder what the powers are be that are discussing Superman's future in the movies are saying right now... |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 25, 2022 8:33:11 GMT -5
It just depends on how good it is. Anything that drops the Snyderverse and does something different is already an improvement. I guess that's always the thing at the end that counts the most... How good is this/that movie? I was hoping with the MCU, that Feige had the master touch and that he had more freedom after Endgame.... but what's come out is a mixed bag. The MCU is/was the bar that I thought would get other studios trying out superhero films to try to stay to or look up to- but with it being hit/miss still.... I guess I should just feel grateful any film is a creative success rather than expecting too much from a whole franchise or shared universe. I do wonder what the powers are be that are discussing Superman's future in the movies are saying right now... The MCU has always been a mixed bag. It hasn’t all been great or perfect. What people need to understand is that the MCU is in a rebuilding phase in so many ways. It’s easier to compare this time to phase 1 instead of phase 3 when everything was fully in motion and on the road to Endgame. I also think they’re dealing with over saturation. Feige and co might be stretching themselves too thin with Disney demanding more content particularly to get more people watching Disney Plus. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 25, 2022 11:46:19 GMT -5
I guess that's always the thing at the end that counts the most... How good is this/that movie? I was hoping with the MCU, that Feige had the master touch and that he had more freedom after Endgame.... but what's come out is a mixed bag. The MCU is/was the bar that I thought would get other studios trying out superhero films to try to stay to or look up to- but with it being hit/miss still.... I guess I should just feel grateful any film is a creative success rather than expecting too much from a whole franchise or shared universe. I do wonder what the powers are be that are discussing Superman's future in the movies are saying right now... The MCU has always been a mixed bag. It hasn’t all been great or perfect. What people need to understand is that the MCU is in a rebuilding phase in so many ways. It’s easier to compare this time to phase 1 instead of phase 3 when everything was fully in motion and on the road to Endgame. I also think they’re dealing with over saturation. Feige and co might be stretching themselves too thin with Disney demanding more content particularly to get more people watching Disney Plus. I think there's also a couple of other problems at the MCU while transitioning into this phase: #1: No clear vision on the state of that world. John Campea show recently discussed this- that in the other phases, you always felt there was a Tony Stark or a Steve Rogers as a figurehead in that world. With them gone, Dr. Strange hasn't been that figurehead and there's also no general feeling on whether or not the world feels a bit lost without them around. In Hawkeye, Dr. Strange 2, and Thor 4, the world bits seems to show they're just fine, which is a little odd. And does the Avengers even exist? Add to the unfortunate mix, with poor William Hurt deceased, even with the Sokovia accords dictating when/where heroes appear- there's no feeling of a new leader on that front, too. #2: Inconsistencies galore and a pretty messed up sense of continuity that was a bit stronger before. Eternals had that giant at the end, and no hints or tips to building in the post-credits to other tv or movies. Even with Feige's listing of what's ahead in Phases 5=6.... things still feel reallly off at the moment. Hopefully it gets better soon. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 25, 2022 13:35:23 GMT -5
The MCU has always been a mixed bag. It hasn’t all been great or perfect. What people need to understand is that the MCU is in a rebuilding phase in so many ways. It’s easier to compare this time to phase 1 instead of phase 3 when everything was fully in motion and on the road to Endgame. I also think they’re dealing with over saturation. Feige and co might be stretching themselves too thin with Disney demanding more content particularly to get more people watching Disney Plus. I think there's also a couple of other problems at the MCU while transitioning into this phase: #1: No clear vision on the state of that world. John Campea show recently discussed this- that in the other phases, you always felt there was a Tony Stark or a Steve Rogers as a figurehead in that world. With them gone, Dr. Strange hasn't been that figurehead and there's also no general feeling on whether or not the world feels a bit lost without them around. In Hawkeye, Dr. Strange 2, and Thor 4, the world bits seems to show they're just fine, which is a little odd. And does the Avengers even exist? Add to the unfortunate mix, with poor William Hurt deceased, even with the Sokovia accords dictating when/where heroes appear- there's no feeling of a new leader on that front, too. #2: Inconsistencies galore and a pretty messed up sense of continuity that was a bit stronger before. Eternals had that giant at the end, and no hints or tips to building in the post-credits to other tv or movies. Even with Feige's listing of what's ahead in Phases 5=6.... things still feel reallly off at the moment. Hopefully it gets better soon. All due respect to John Campea there’s a lot of stuff he doesn’t see. He gets tunnel vision sometimes. He thought Morbius would be great and that Into The Spider-verse would suck. I saw his comments about the Snyder cut bots and 13 percent not being a big deal but he failed to realize it was 13 percent of the accounts not that they generated 13 percent of the online Snyder a cut activity. I think the MCU is building those new leaders but that takes time. Strange, Captain Marvel, and a couple of others are clearly being set up to be in those roles. Black Panther was too but unfortunately real life got in the way. I think they have a clear vision for the state of the world. A lot of people just don’t see it. I’ve been saying all year that they’re clearly headed towards Kang and Secret Wars as their end point and the creation of the Thunderbolts. This weekend I was proven right. The signs were all there but some people needs this stuff spoon fed to them or spelled out directly. Too many people want all the answers now without waiting to let the larger story unfold. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 26, 2022 15:16:23 GMT -5
I think there's also a couple of other problems at the MCU while transitioning into this phase: #1: No clear vision on the state of that world. John Campea show recently discussed this- that in the other phases, you always felt there was a Tony Stark or a Steve Rogers as a figurehead in that world. With them gone, Dr. Strange hasn't been that figurehead and there's also no general feeling on whether or not the world feels a bit lost without them around. In Hawkeye, Dr. Strange 2, and Thor 4, the world bits seems to show they're just fine, which is a little odd. And does the Avengers even exist? Add to the unfortunate mix, with poor William Hurt deceased, even with the Sokovia accords dictating when/where heroes appear- there's no feeling of a new leader on that front, too. #2: Inconsistencies galore and a pretty messed up sense of continuity that was a bit stronger before. Eternals had that giant at the end, and no hints or tips to building in the post-credits to other tv or movies. Even with Feige's listing of what's ahead in Phases 5=6.... things still feel reallly off at the moment. Hopefully it gets better soon. All due respect to John Campea there’s a lot of stuff he doesn’t see. He gets tunnel vision sometimes. He thought Morbius would be great and that Into The Spider-verse would suck. I saw his comments about the Snyder cut bots and 13 percent not being a big deal but he failed to realize it was 13 percent of the accounts not that they generated 13 percent of the online Snyder a cut activity. I think the MCU is building those new leaders but that takes time. Strange, Captain Marvel, and a couple of others are clearly being set up to be in those roles. Black Panther was too but unfortunately real life got in the way. I think they have a clear vision for the state of the world. A lot of people just don’t see it. I’ve been saying all year that they’re clearly headed towards Kang and Secret Wars as their end point and the creation of the Thunderbolts. This weekend I was proven right. The signs were all there but some people needs this stuff spoon fed to them or spelled out directly. Too many people want all the answers now without waiting to let the larger story unfold. I think it's not necessarily about a clear vision missing, but that some things may have disrupted it while the train was still in motion. #1: The covid interruption and blowup of scheduling for everything already in motion. We know that Wandavision originally was set to have another episode- it still was fine, but if that was the plan, then maybe it was going to be even better. #2: The covid interruption of Winter Soldier's filming- which made them rewrite towards the end. Better? Worse? But.... to me, the ending was a big disappointment in that particular case. But did/does it have a domino effect? Possibly... #3: The end of giant multi-picture contract planning--- though.... maybe I misread what Feige said awhile back. After Phase 3, Feige said something to that effect. That being the case- how does that affect storylines if there's no 9=picture deal/etc.? It certainly has to affect budgets... As one example- in the bts- Wanda's turn to Dark Phoenix wasn't supposed to happen fully in Dr. Strange 2. I would have preferred it myself if she was one of the big bads that the whole group has to fight.... but if the actress who played Wanda was done with her contract and didn't want to commit to multiple pictures again- then that would have an effect, for sure, on that kind of storyline. #4: Chadwick Boseman's death. It would have been great to have had Black Panther be one of the stable leads in the MCU- and it was probably planned that way- but, like covid, an unexpected horrible tragedy that had to upset longterm plans. #5: Bob Chapeck possibly (?) removing some of Feige's powers on Marvel Studios. We know Feige's not happy with how Scarlett Johannsen's situation was handled. Anyhow- I definitely would cut some slack given things out of Feige's control.... but with reading an interview with one of the screenwriters of Iron Man 2 on how Feige managed that movie and the franchise- if it's handled the same way now.... then there's a rough plan, but not an ironclad one- with supposedly one movie at a time being focused on for q control. In any case- nothing that's come out has been as bad as some of DC's disasters.... but given how tricky it had/has to be juggling different creative teams and solid theatrical release dates- I do acknowledge that it's a miracle that any quality exists at all--- but I still am hoping for things to sing with these phases as nicely as they did when earlier phases hit their stride. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 26, 2022 21:26:40 GMT -5
All due respect to John Campea there’s a lot of stuff he doesn’t see. He gets tunnel vision sometimes. He thought Morbius would be great and that Into The Spider-verse would suck. I saw his comments about the Snyder cut bots and 13 percent not being a big deal but he failed to realize it was 13 percent of the accounts not that they generated 13 percent of the online Snyder a cut activity. I think the MCU is building those new leaders but that takes time. Strange, Captain Marvel, and a couple of others are clearly being set up to be in those roles. Black Panther was too but unfortunately real life got in the way. I think they have a clear vision for the state of the world. A lot of people just don’t see it. I’ve been saying all year that they’re clearly headed towards Kang and Secret Wars as their end point and the creation of the Thunderbolts. This weekend I was proven right. The signs were all there but some people needs this stuff spoon fed to them or spelled out directly. Too many people want all the answers now without waiting to let the larger story unfold. I think it's not necessarily about a clear vision missing, but that some things may have disrupted it while the train was still in motion. #1: The covid interruption and blowup of scheduling for everything already in motion. We know that Wandavision originally was set to have another episode- it still was fine, but if that was the plan, then maybe it was going to be even better. #2: The covid interruption of Winter Soldier's filming- which made them rewrite towards the end. Better? Worse? But.... to me, the ending was a big disappointment in that particular case. But did/does it have a domino effect? Possibly... #3: The end of giant multi-picture contract planning--- though.... maybe I misread what Feige said awhile back. After Phase 3, Feige said something to that effect. That being the case- how does that affect storylines if there's no 9=picture deal/etc.? It certainly has to affect budgets... As one example- in the bts- Wanda's turn to Dark Phoenix wasn't supposed to happen fully in Dr. Strange 2. I would have preferred it myself if she was one of the big bads that the whole group has to fight.... but if the actress who played Wanda was done with her contract and didn't want to commit to multiple pictures again- then that would have an effect, for sure, on that kind of storyline. #4: Chadwick Boseman's death. It would have been great to have had Black Panther be one of the stable leads in the MCU- and it was probably planned that way- but, like covid, an unexpected horrible tragedy that had to upset longterm plans. #5: Bob Chapeck possibly (?) removing some of Feige's powers on Marvel Studios. We know Feige's not happy with how Scarlett Johannsen's situation was handled. Anyhow- I definitely would cut some slack given things out of Feige's control.... but with reading an interview with one of the screenwriters of Iron Man 2 on how Feige managed that movie and the franchise- if it's handled the same way now.... then there's a rough plan, but not an ironclad one- with supposedly one movie at a time being focused on for q control. In any case- nothing that's come out has been as bad as some of DC's disasters.... but given how tricky it had/has to be juggling different creative teams and solid theatrical release dates- I do acknowledge that it's a miracle that any quality exists at all--- but I still am hoping for things to sing with these phases as nicely as they did when earlier phases hit their stride. Covid has had an impact on their productions but more on the filming end of things and special effects than the writing. The contracts being shorter is Feige being more friendly to actors compared to the cheapness of Ike Perlmutter. Actors can not feel so trapped and can renegotiate more and potentially make more. Feige is counting on the the actors being more willing to work with marvel and stick around but we are just now seeing those new contracts going into effect. It’s too soon to see how that might help or hurt the creative side of things. Hemsworth is a good example. Love & Thunder is probably the first film under his new deal but it’s just one film in. We need to see how it plays out. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Wanda. I think Feige has more for her. She’s willing and I think he’s also giving Elizabeth Olsen a break to do other things she wants to do and not miss out because of constant MCU commitments. Bosemans death was a real hit to their long term plans but I think it could also create even more interest in Black Panther 2 and give it an extra depth and emotion. I found the trailer to be very powerful because there was some sense of art imitating life with the absence and mourning of King TChalla. I think anyone with any sense knew the Johansson lawsuit would get worked out in her favor very quickly. Chapek had to know that Disney wasn’t going to win and didn’t need that kind of bad press any longer than necessary. He is a problem but Feige still has a lot of power being such money maker. Chapek calls the shots at Disney but he still has a board and stockholders to keep happy and derailing that Marvel gravy train would make them not happy. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 26, 2022 23:39:52 GMT -5
I think it's not necessarily about a clear vision missing, but that some things may have disrupted it while the train was still in motion. #1: The covid interruption and blowup of scheduling for everything already in motion. We know that Wandavision originally was set to have another episode- it still was fine, but if that was the plan, then maybe it was going to be even better. #2: The covid interruption of Winter Soldier's filming- which made them rewrite towards the end. Better? Worse? But.... to me, the ending was a big disappointment in that particular case. But did/does it have a domino effect? Possibly... #3: The end of giant multi-picture contract planning--- though.... maybe I misread what Feige said awhile back. After Phase 3, Feige said something to that effect. That being the case- how does that affect storylines if there's no 9=picture deal/etc.? It certainly has to affect budgets... As one example- in the bts- Wanda's turn to Dark Phoenix wasn't supposed to happen fully in Dr. Strange 2. I would have preferred it myself if she was one of the big bads that the whole group has to fight.... but if the actress who played Wanda was done with her contract and didn't want to commit to multiple pictures again- then that would have an effect, for sure, on that kind of storyline. #4: Chadwick Boseman's death. It would have been great to have had Black Panther be one of the stable leads in the MCU- and it was probably planned that way- but, like covid, an unexpected horrible tragedy that had to upset longterm plans. #5: Bob Chapeck possibly (?) removing some of Feige's powers on Marvel Studios. We know Feige's not happy with how Scarlett Johannsen's situation was handled. Anyhow- I definitely would cut some slack given things out of Feige's control.... but with reading an interview with one of the screenwriters of Iron Man 2 on how Feige managed that movie and the franchise- if it's handled the same way now.... then there's a rough plan, but not an ironclad one- with supposedly one movie at a time being focused on for q control. In any case- nothing that's come out has been as bad as some of DC's disasters.... but given how tricky it had/has to be juggling different creative teams and solid theatrical release dates- I do acknowledge that it's a miracle that any quality exists at all--- but I still am hoping for things to sing with these phases as nicely as they did when earlier phases hit their stride. Covid has had an impact on their productions but more on the filming end of things and special effects than the writing. The contracts being shorter is Feige being more friendly to actors compared to the cheapness of Ike Perlmutter. Actors can not feel so trapped and can renegotiate more and potentially make more. Feige is counting on the the actors being more willing to work with marvel and stick around but we are just now seeing those new contracts going into effect. It’s too soon to see how that might help or hurt the creative side of things. Hemsworth is a good example. Love & Thunder is probably the first film under his new deal but it’s just one film in. We need to see how it plays out. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Wanda. I think Feige has more for her. She’s willing and I think he’s also giving Elizabeth Olsen a break to do other things she wants to do and not miss out because of constant MCU commitments. Bosemans death was a real hit to their long term plans but I think it could also create even more interest in Black Panther 2 and give it an extra depth and emotion. I found the trailer to be very powerful because there was some sense of art imitating life with the absence and mourning of King TChalla. I think anyone with any sense knew the Johansson lawsuit would get worked out in her favor very quickly. Chapek had to know that Disney wasn’t going to win and didn’t need that kind of bad press any longer than necessary. He is a problem but Feige still has a lot of power being such money maker. Chapek calls the shots at Disney but he still has a board and stockholders to keep happy and derailing that Marvel gravy train would make them not happy. #1: The stories did have to get rewritten- maybe for the better (hard to say) on both Wandavision and Winter Soldier- but, no way to know, without having accesss to what what was originally put on paper... hopefully it ended being better drafts... #2: I hope you're 100 percent right on Feige being more friendly to the actors on the short-term contracts--- having said that, I do think I would have been much more excited if they had saved Wanda to be the big bad with all the Avengers against her. I really enjoyed Dr. Strange 2- but felt the story was strong enough that it could have sustained building up and expanding. If Feige uses Wanda again, it's hard to envision what you could do further with her character, but I could be wrong... #3: I'm hoping the same that Black Panther 2 - much like the first CRow movie- ends up with creatively an even better story ironically from the real life tragedy of the star's untimely death. #4: I actually felt for awhile (from a distance) that Scarjo was being possibly too greedy if she was being paid $20 million myself- but the way Disney (mis)handled it did make my jaw drop a bit. I do wonder if there will be any more Black Widow movies resulting from this- but considering what a letdown the second half of Black Widow the movie was and the Hawkeye tv show's Yelena/Hawkeye confrontation was (Marvel's version of the Bvs "Why did you say the name Martha???" sadly)..... I don't feel like anything's really lost if they don't have another Black Widow movie, either... #5: Again, I hope you're right on Feige keeping enough power. And- hoping the disappointments I've been feeling on many of the Marvel tv shows and movies start to turn around soon.... |
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