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Post by Metallo on May 6, 2016 10:34:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Bryan Singer is busy succeeding with X-men again & Marvel Studios already has a full plate, so they couldn't help Supes do a reboot. Who else is there? I actually think Superman needs someone who has NEVER directed a superhero film before. Singer and Snyder had done so, and brought all that baggage with them to the Superman character. Much like the actor for Superman needed to be an unknown, the director also needs to be new to the area. Someone who understands drama the way Donner did before he took on STM. If it were me, I would look for a director who has made a name doing dramas with some suspense and some action, but NOT someone who has done any other superhero movies. The Mel Gibson of 20 years ago (Braveheart era) would have been great. Never ever thought I'd say this but I'd give JJ a chance. The man turned Mission: Impossible; Star Trek, and Star Wars around after some disastrous entries. I wouldn't necessarily want him as a director but a producer in charge the way Kevin Feige is at Marvel studios. I don't think JJ would do it because at this point he's too big to be WBs boy because his plate is full with his own stuff. He doesn't need it. |
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Post by atp on May 6, 2016 12:13:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't want JJ for Superman. He's good enough at picking up existing franchises and revitalising them. But they feel like they are formulaic and a bit soulless. His Star Wars entry didn't have the magic that the OT did, even though it was a competent movie.
Superman needs someone who has a feel for drama and fantasy as opposed to science fiction.
I honestly can't think of any director today who is the equivalent of Donner in the late 1970s.
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Post by Metallo on May 6, 2016 12:51:25 GMT -5
I don't disagree with that. I feel the same way about him. That's why I said I'd want him as a producer shaping the universe and not as a director. He's a good mimmick but I felt Star Trek 09 was missing the franchises heart and soul just like you said. But it was a success. Like you said he has a knack for revitalizing tired or damaged franchises. I'd put Martin Campbell in the same catagory. If he hadn't botched green lantern I'd have loved him doing MOS. green lantern was more the scripts fault than Campbell's but I still think he wasn't the best fit for it. Give him a good script and he's usually solid. Moreso than Snyder
JJ also has the clout to do what he wants without WB bossing him around. I can't imagine him wanting a dark brooding superman. If he wanted to do a full on reboot WB would let him. Most other directors wouldn't be given that opportunity. WB would just force them to work in the guidelines of what Snyders set up.
If it weren't for what you said about wanting a director who'd never done a superhero film before I'd say beg Jon Favreau to reboot the DC movie universe. I've got a feeling Disney will try hard to keep him in house after Jungle Book made such big bank. Gareth Edwards, Neill Blomkamp, Matt Reeves and Rupert Wyatt are all talented directors who are relatively new on the scene that have never done superhero movies before. They all have a lot of potential. Problem is most of them have been snapped up for other big projects.
Brad Bird would be a great guy do direct Superman but Tomorrowland being a massive bomb probably hasn't helped him as far as clout.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 6, 2016 14:08:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Bryan Singer is busy succeeding with X-men again & Marvel Studios already has a full plate, so they couldn't help Supes do a reboot. Who else is there? I actually think Superman needs someone who has NEVER directed a superhero film before. Singer and Snyder had done so, and brought all that baggage with them to the Superman character. Much like the actor for Superman needed to be an unknown, the director also needs to be new to the area. Someone who understands drama the way Donner did before he took on STM. If it were me, I would look for a director who has made a name doing dramas with some suspense and some action, but NOT someone who has done any other superhero movies. The Mel Gibson of 20 years ago (Braveheart era) would have been great. Spielberg, Zemekis, Woo, Ridley Scott.... But I doubt they'd take one on. |
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Post by atp on May 6, 2016 14:31:52 GMT -5
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In the 1980s, yes. But I think they've all lost it.
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Post by Metallo on May 6, 2016 15:35:52 GMT -5
Scott's still got the eye for visuals but he can't spot a good script for sh**. I liked The Martian though. I think we got lucky there. If Alien Covenant is any good maybe I'm wrong.
Spielberg doesn't seem interested in doing those kinds of movies anymore and even when he was doing them he was too big for Superman by the 80s. The only reason he's doing Indy 5 is it's something so close to him but who knows how that will turn out.
Zemeckis hasn't been relevant to me in years. Cast Away was 16 years ago and his motion capture animated movies seemed to be missing something. Flight looked kinda interesting but I have yet to see it.
Peter Jackson was at one time someone who Id loved to have seen take on Superman or any comic book movie but after King Kong and the Hobbit trilogy I'm not sure he's still got that passion either.
They're all too old or too established to take something like this on. WB wants someone with less clout.
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Post by atp on May 7, 2016 7:21:42 GMT -5
Scott's still got the eye for visuals but he can't spot a good script for sh**. I liked The Martian though. I think we got lucky there. If Alien Covenant is any good maybe I'm wrong. Spielberg doesn't seem interested in doing those kinds of movies anymore and even when he was doing them he was too big for Superman by the 80s. The only reason he's doing Indy 5 is it's something so close to him but who knows how that will turn out. Zemeckis hasn't been relevant to me in years. Cast Away was 16 years ago and his motion capture animated movies seemed to be missing something. Flight looked kinda interesting but I have yet to see it. Peter Jackson was at one time someone who Id loved to have seen take on Superman or any comic book movie but after King Kong and the Hobbit trilogy I'm not sure he's still got that passion either. They're all too old or too established to take something like this on. WB wants someone with less clout. I really liked Contact. The Zemeckis of the 1990s would probably have been great for Superman. The BTTF movies were great and proved he could do scifi/fantasy that didn't take itself too seriously. And I think Contact had the perfect blend of real world science, science fiction, and a "magical" element too. Come to think of it, Contact had some elements that would have fit a Superman movie very well. The whole "first contact" thing and looking at how humanity would react to extraterrestrial life was done very well. That was hyped up in MoS but totally failed to deliver. And John Hury reminded me a lot of Lex Lithor actually! |
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Post by Metallo on May 7, 2016 8:19:41 GMT -5
Back then he would have done an amazing job. I miss that Zemeckis. I miss the Peter Jackson who made The Frighteners.
You know who was originally going to direct Contact? George Miller. Apparently his version was going to be even more ambitious. I'd kill for his Justice League right now but would a superior director work FOR Zack the back when it should be the other way around?
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Post by atp on May 7, 2016 8:28:08 GMT -5
You know, it really would not have taken much to turn Contact into a Superman movie!
There are quite a few similarities with MoS (alien machine, broadcast from outer space, military involvement, religion vs science, hostility towards aliens) but Contact does these brilliantly while MoS didn't.
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Post by Metallo on May 7, 2016 9:00:54 GMT -5
All the "real world" bullsh** went out the window pretty quickly with MOS. They never did much "real world follow up" on Superman arriving (metropolis already rebuilt with no discussion of how) and then we find of on he's really not the first Superpowered being like they said. Wonder Woman operated a hundred years ago and Batman, while human, has been a known costumed hero for 20 years. Not only hat but Wonder Woman is apparently a demigoddess who has fought things from other worlds before so both realism and Supermans uniqueness go out the window. That doesn't even include Suicide Squads crazier members. It just proves WB had no plan and MOS was retrofitted to be the start of a DC movie universe.
Meanwhile I'm noticing new stuff with the MCU everyday. Starks new element from his arc reactor in iron man 2 was based on his fathers study of the tesseract from Cap 1 and Avengers 1. That might be why Loki couldn't control Stark with his scepter and why Loki chose Stark tower to open the portal (it used the same newly synthesized clean burning reactor core).
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 7, 2016 9:57:41 GMT -5
All the "real world" bullsh** went out the window pretty quickly with MOS. They never did much "real world follow up" on Superman arriving (metropolis already rebuilt with no discussion of how) and then we find of on he's really not the first Superpowered being like they said. Wonder Woman operated a hundred years ago and Batman, while human, has been a known costumed hero for 20 years. Not only hat but Wonder Woman is apparently a demigoddess who has fought things from other worlds before so both realism and Supermans uniqueness go out the window. That doesn't even include Suicide Squads crazier members. It just proves WB had no plan and MOS was retrofitted to be the start of a DC movie universe. Meanwhile I'm noticing new stuff with the MCU everyday. Starks new element from his arc reactor in iron man 2 was based on his fathers study of the tesseract from Cap 1 and Avengers 1. That might be why Loki couldn't control Stark with his scepter and why Loki chose Stark tower to open the portal (it used the same newly synthesized clean burning reactor core). WB shoulda stayed with Singer for Superman, Whedon for WOnder Woman, Miller for JLA..... *sigh* It's possible that WB just let Snyder be Feige (to a degree).... only since MOS and BvS are hitting box office and fan bumps, would love to be behind the scenes at WB and see what notes they're giving Snyder now.... |
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Post by EnriqueH on May 7, 2016 11:10:07 GMT -5
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Post by atp on May 7, 2016 11:11:57 GMT -5
Affleck pulled a Richard Lester
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Post by EnriqueH on May 7, 2016 11:22:13 GMT -5
LOL!!
That he did.
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Post by EnriqueH on May 7, 2016 11:34:17 GMT -5
Hey, Zack. I like the red that glows red like our Krypton sun, but not your 2 irritating Superman movies. Make way.  |
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Post by Metallo on May 7, 2016 11:41:44 GMT -5
This gives Affleck far more power to help shape the film. I wish Snyder was out all together and in the future who knows this may lead to that eventually but this can only be a good thing. I think Affleck "gets it" a lot more than Snyder and he's a better storyteller when it comes to films.
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Post by atp on May 7, 2016 12:20:51 GMT -5
The damage is still done to Superman though. MoS really wrecked it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 7, 2016 13:42:40 GMT -5
The damage is still done to Superman though. MoS really wrecked it. Maybe the changes will be that Superman stays dead after BvS to make way for more Batfleck? In any case: I'm a little more skeptical about Batfleck's promotion. If Batfleck didn't 'save' Daredevil (which he starred in), I have high doubts that he'll cut Snyder off whatever path he's on. Much like Nolan's name was attached to get a bigger paycheck only for MOS- those shoes I think gets filled by Batfleck. Until Snyder's shown the front door and Batfleck's name is listed as director, I have big doubts.... |
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Post by EnriqueH on May 7, 2016 18:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on May 7, 2016 20:40:46 GMT -5
The damage is still done to Superman though. MoS really wrecked it. Maybe the changes will be that Superman stays dead after BvS to make way for more Batfleck? In any case: I'm a little more skeptical about Batfleck's promotion. If Batfleck didn't 'save' Daredevil (which he starred in), I have high doubts that he'll cut Snyder off whatever path he's on. Much like Nolan's name was attached to get a bigger paycheck only for MOS- those shoes I think gets filled by Batfleck. Until Snyder's shown the front door and Batfleck's name is listed as director, I have big doubts.... I don't think Affleck had any real say so over Daredevil. Remember this what when Tom Rothman ruled Fox with an iron fist and any comic book/superhero movie from that studio not directed by Bryan Singer sucked. Daredevil was all on the studio and fools like Avi Arad. The directors cut shows that more than anything. Even if Affleck wanted to be had no clout to save that movie. Now he's got more oscars, is an director himself, and has turned his career around. Not saying Affleck will "save" Justice League or that he and Millers title on the film mean they will have major control but I think it's a different situation compared to Daredevil. In a perfect world Affleck and Miller would call the shots and Snyder would just make it look good. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 8, 2016 10:41:47 GMT -5
Well... with Civil War getting rave reviews, but possibly not meeting ITS box office.... I wonder if that superhero box office 'bubble' that's been rumored for so long is starting to appear.
I hope I'm wrong, but if it really is the beginning of superhero films not making beaucoup bucks, I'm just hoping that the Infinity War movies and the Death of Phoenix story retold by Singer gets made first.
Will see....
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 8, 2016 15:11:54 GMT -5
UPDATED: The article I read about Civil War not meeting Avengers 2's box office so far seems now to have been slanted too much in that it looked like a disappointment boxoffice-wise. I freaked and thought the audiences were getting bored with Marvel heroes (though I still wonder why they're dropping off more after each film. Bizzare, as I thought the overall quality was still immense on all 3 'Avengers' movies. TDK made lots more than it's original. But, who knows? Will see how it shakes out at the end.)
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Post by Metallo on May 9, 2016 8:06:07 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about it not meeting its box office. It only opened ten million less than Age of Ultron. It didn't meet the projected opening weekend though. think it'll do well long term and have stronger legs because it's a much better movie. I enjoyed it a lot but it wasn't as good as I hoped. I think the hype was too large and hurt it. I don't think audiences are tiring of comic book movies but we may have seen them peak financially. At this point we've seen so much it's easy to take a "good" movie for granted. We expect MCU movies to be good at this point so unless they are amazing it's business as usual. Avengers was a unique first time experience and I'm not sure we will ever see a superhero movie reach that box office again. Not even Justice Leageu. Only thing that has a shot is maybe Infinity War or some sort of Fox/Disney deal down the line.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 9, 2016 12:04:21 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about it not meeting its box office. It only opened ten million less than Age of Ultron. It didn't meet the projected opening weekend though. think it'll do well long term and have stronger legs because it's a much better movie. I enjoyed it a lot but it wasn't as good as I hoped. I think the hype was too large and hurt it. I don't think audiences are tiring of comic book movies but we may have seen them peak financially. At this point we've seen so much it's easy to take a "good" movie for granted. We expect MCU movies to be good at this point so unless they are amazing it's business as usual. Avengers was a unique first time experience and I'm not sure we will ever see a superhero movie reach that box office again. Not even Justice Leageu. Only thing that has a shot is maybe Infinity War or some sort of Fox/Disney deal down the line. I saw it again, enjoyed it much better on a second viewing- as mentioned, the trailers kind of ruined it for me, to a degree. Also, getting used to it primarily being a Captain America movie and not an Avengers movie (though they might as well have gone the extra mile and added more scenes and called it Avengers 3) was easier the second time around.... though I'm hoping there's an extended cut eventually (though Marvel seems pretty stingy on those). I hear you about taking 'good' movies for granted. With blu rays and streaming always just around the corner, I think it becomes less of an 'event' to wait in line hours before/etc.- But... talking about expectations- if "Civil War" has/had giant expectations to live up to, I think the Infinity Wars movies- for sure. Though, from reading those early Thanos stories in the comics back then, it's hard for me to envision a movie with Thanos as the villain without the male Captain Marvel or Warlock around.... |
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Post by Metallo on May 9, 2016 13:02:17 GMT -5
I saw it again, enjoyed it much better on a second viewing- as mentioned, the trailers kind of ruined it for me, to a degree. Also, getting used to it primarily being a Captain America movie and not an Avengers movie (though they might as well have gone the extra mile and added more scenes and called it Avengers 3) was easier the second time around.... though I'm hoping there's an extended cut eventually (though Marvel seems pretty stingy on those). I hear you about taking 'good' movies for granted. With blu rays and streaming always just around the corner, I think it becomes less of an 'event' to wait in line hours before/etc.- But... talking about expectations- if "Civil War" has/had giant expectations to live up to, I think the Infinity Wars movies- for sure. Though, from reading those early Thanos stories in the comics back then, it's hard for me to envision a movie with Thanos as the villain without the male Captain Marvel or Warlock around.... I'm planning on seeing it again. With expectations in check I think it'll be a more interesting experience. I enjoyed it a lot but I think I'll be able to focus on stuff I didn't the first time. I get all the Avengers 2.5 talk because at times it did become that but for the most part I felt it was a Captain America movie first and an Avengers movie second. I felt this may have been the best Tony Stark character work and story arc since the first Iron Man. I loved the character interaction. I could watch a whole movie with Bucky and Sam. In was interesting and believable to see which side everyone fell on. I liked seeing Sam Wilson and Jim Rhodes arguing over the accords. Sam got out of the military because of what he'd seen. Rhodey stayed in as a career soldier who always followed the rules. Wanda was being held a prisoner and Clint owed her brother his life. Scott Lang went to prison blowing the whistle on the system. Vision is a being of logic more than passion. Black Widow was trying to make up for last sins. Everyone's choice made sense. I can't wait for the Spiderman reboot and I'm dying to see Black Panther. Especially with Klaw already set up as a bad guy. I don't get the hate for Zemo. I thought he was servicable. Better than some other MCU bad guys. It's like if every villian isn't a Ledger Joker or Hiddleston Loki they "suck." What Marvel is doing is different from what DC films in particular have done. They're focusing on the heroes and it seems they don't want the villians to steal the show the way they have on the past. In other films the villians could be more interesting and more entertaining than the hero. For Marvel studios the villians are usually more plot devices than characters. I'd have it another way but they're heroes are more fleshed out then most other studios producing comic book films. Here's how I'd rank th MCU films so far. I wanted to wait for Doctor Strange but couldn't help it. Once X-Men Apocalypse comes out I think I'll re rank every marvel based film. It's been a while. The Avengers Captain America: The Winter Soldier Captain America: Civil War Iron Man Guardians of The Galaxy Thor Captain America: The First Avenger Antman Avengers: Age of Ultron Iron Man 3 The Incredible Hulk Iron Man 2 Thor: The Dark World |
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