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Post by Metallo on May 19, 2016 12:18:52 GMT -5
Now it seems obvious Supergirl will jump to the Arrowverse this time. The real question is will it be for good? Will the two Earths merge? I can appreciate the ambition of something like this. Star Trek never did it. Buffy and Angel were just two shows. Xena and Hercules were just two shows. Hopefully they use his chance to make Supergirl a better show. Maybe even fix mistakes they've made with all their show since they have they can use dimensional and time travel between Flash and Legends.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2016 11:09:02 GMT -5
Now it seems obvious Supergirl will jump to the Arrowverse this time. The real question is will it be for good? Will the two Earths merge? I can appreciate the ambition of something like this. Star Trek never did it. Buffy and Angel were just two shows. Xena and Hercules were just two shows. Hopefully they use his chance to make Supergirl a better show. Maybe even fix mistakes they've made with all their show since they have they can use dimensional and time travel between Flash and Legends. Since Arrow, Flash, and Legends of Tomorrow are all in the same universe- it'd be nice if they do a 'universe merge' with Supergirl but somehow I highly doubt it. While it's not a problem for the comics not to reference why Superman would exist and not solve every problem, I think it might be a problem for the separate showrunners to figure this out. (I haven't seen all of the Supergirl episodes, so I don't know how well this problem is even addressed in her own universe). |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 8, 2016 10:47:34 GMT -5
Hint of the big four night crossover.  They should let Arrow bring back the suicide squad too and give their version a shot. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 9, 2016 1:35:38 GMT -5
Hint of the big four night crossover. They should let Arrow bring back the suicide squad too and give their version a shot. Berlianti is no Joss Whedon nor Ronald D. Moore- But he's smart to do these crossovers. What was a treat in comic books can be a great treat in tv shows, when done right. The Supergirl/Flash had enough great & fun moments, hoping there's that plus more in this mega-one. And, after suffering ten years of costume-phobic Smallville, it's damned nice to see superhero shows WITH costumes! |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2016 13:48:58 GMT -5
I find most of the Berlantiverse costumes boring, uninspired, and generic looking in that a lot of them use the same basic pattern but they're leagues ahead of the bad Halloween store costumes from Smallville.
Even the better ones like the Supergirl costume could use some refinement. I also notice they leave off some classic element of the design or color pattern so they can bring it in later to get people excited. The yellow behind Supergirls S logo, the white behind Flashs lighting bolt logo, and Green Arrows mask are three of the best examples. It's just such a lazy bait and switch to hold off on what should be there from the start.
Sure certain things should be "improved" on by the hero as the costume evolves but a mask is a common sense thing. The idea of "earning" the mask was crap. Flashs logo just shows up better against white than it does against red especially when the red and gold parts are so dark. I loved the proto Deathstroke costume on Arrow but they made it worse with the bulky suit Slade Wilson wore as Deathstroke.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2016 13:50:42 GMT -5
...I am looking forward to this crossover though! What other tv franchise had enough shows connected to do something this big across most of a week? Law & Order is the only one I can think of.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 9, 2016 16:04:37 GMT -5
Doesn't happen often
Star Trek classic's Spock meeting Picard of next gen tops that list, and there were fun character/ supporting character crossovers within the trek verse...
Sulu on voyager, classic trek on ds9
Law and order did one with homicide
Cross-network had 'the Practice' with 'ally McNeal' ..... While both shows were still pretty good (both won best drama and comedy at Emmys)
Six-million dollar man and bionic woman I think had one...
'Love boat' and 'Charlie's angels' had one....
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Post by Metallo on Aug 28, 2016 7:46:46 GMT -5
True but how many involved so many tv shows? It's hard to think of many. I know Seth McFarlanes animated shows did a three show one night crossover.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 28, 2016 23:06:35 GMT -5
True but how many involved so many tv shows? It's hard to think of many. I know Seth McFarlanes animated shows did a three show one night crossover. True. I'm thrilled that they're even trying. Growing up, it seemed too much to dream of something like the Avengers happening onscreen- or something like Days of Future Past that incorporated two versions of superhero characters and blend them together. While living in this time has a giant amount of negatives, comic book geekwise, it's kind of a cool time to be alive. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 29, 2016 9:01:11 GMT -5
Yeah it's a golden age. Easy to forget that sometimes. Even with the crap WB has put out overall we are getting more consistently good superhero movies than ever even if they are a bit formulaic. We aren't getting the highest highs, those truly special movies, that often but we aren't seeing the lowest lows either. I wouldn't even rank Fant4stic as low as garbage like Steel or Catwoman
Now we are seeing specific comic book storylines adapted not just pieces of them and they are keeping the titles. Only thing that would make it better is to see more non DC/non Marvel superhero movies. Hollywood isnt being as ambitious with releasing those as they were in the 90s or 2000s. Where are the heckboys, The Shadows, the Savage Dragons? It's been a while since we've seen movies like that.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 29, 2016 22:27:50 GMT -5
Yeah it's a golden age. Easy to forget that sometimes. Even with the crap WB has put out overall we are getting more consistently good superhero movies than ever even if they are a bit formulaic. We aren't getting the highest highs, those truly special movies, that often but we aren't seeing the lowest lows either. I wouldn't even rank Fant4stic as low as garbage like Steel or Catwoman Now we are seeing specific comic book storylines adapted not just pieces of them and they are keeping the titles. Only thing that would make it better is to see more non DC/non Marvel superhero movies. Hollywood isnt being as ambitious with releasing those as they were in the 90s or 2000s. Where are the heckboys, The Shadows, the Savage Dragons? It's been a while since we've seen movies like that. I do find it a little strange that "The Shadow" was never rebooted... And- wasn't "Spawn" a modest hit? I was 'meh' on the movie, but always wondered why something like that would have a sequel in development heck.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 2, 2016 19:17:57 GMT -5
Probably not the hit it was hoped to be. With the shadow it's been in development but with the 94 movie not doing very well studios are probably wary to pull the trigger. Then there are rights issues. Also how would they even approach it? Most of those period comic/strip/pulp hero movies failed so studios probably want to make the films set in modern times.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 3, 2016 0:39:46 GMT -5
Probably not the hit it was hoped to be. With the shadow it's been in development but with the 94 movie not doing very well studios are probably wary to pull the trigger. Then there are rights issues. Also how would they even approach it? Most of those period comic/strip/pulp hero movies failed so studios probably want to make the films set in modern times. Good point. The Shadow imo NEEDS to be in the 30's- The Shadow is much about mood--- and while the budget was there for the 94 movie (and Alec Baldwin suprisingly wasn't terrible as the Shadow), the script's 'light' tone was counter to everything that was necessary to pull off a good Shadow film imo. (Though, oddly, they got the look just right imo) With the Marvel superhero movies at this point, the Shadow probably just doesn't seem too interesting by comparison by the studios. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 10, 2016 19:03:52 GMT -5
When it comes to other studios they can forget about Disney/Marvel or WB/DC ever licensing anything out to them again. If they want to get in on the comic book movie boom they'll have to go to other companies like Dark Horse, Image, Valiant, etc or acquire the film rights to other heroes like The Shadow and The Phantom. So there's still a chance we will see those characters on the big screen again. The stumbling block is they just haven't proven to be as sucessful.
As for the period settings I agree. Those characters lose something when you place them in modern times. The same is true for their forerunners like Zorro and Tarzan. They are making a future set Zorro but I'll miss not seeing him on a horse only to see him ride a motorcycle. It's like giving Indy a cel phone. Doesn't seem right.
It's the appeal and the curse of those characters. They didn't really stay as relevant in pop culture with on screen media adaptations and they didn't move along with the times to stay "current" either. No sliding timescales or floating timelines. They're usually stuck in the past. Most kids aren't going to find John Carter as appealing because he doesn't drive the latest cool car or have a phone or a high tech gun. It's why DC and Marvel were smart to keep there characters in the "now" and not forever stuck in the 50s or 60s. They stay young but time moves along around them. It's also one reason Spielberg's argument that comic book/superhero movies will go the way of the western is heavily flawed. Their appeal will cool off but they'll never fall out of fashion the way the western has. Westerns by their very nature have limited ways to appeal to the kids of today on a superficial level whereas most superheroes don't have those limits.
You ain't gonna see Matt Dillon on a cool sports bike with some kid saying he wants one just like it. But we will see Captain America on one. It's easier and more fun for mos people to live vicariously through modern characters. And to bring this tangent back around again it's he same reason it's so hard for characters like The Shadow to appeal unless they fully update him to modern times.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 11, 2016 11:40:18 GMT -5
When it comes to other studios they can forget about Disney/Marvel or WB/DC ever licensing anything out to them again. If they want to get in on the comic book movie boom they'll have to go to other companies like Dark Horse, Image, Valiant, etc or acquire the film rights to other heroes like The Shadow and The Phantom. So there's still a chance we will see those characters on the big screen again. The stumbling block is they just haven't proven to be as sucessful. As for the period settings I agree. Those characters lose something when you place them in modern times. The same is true for their forerunners like Zorro and Tarzan. They are making a future set Zorro but I'll miss not seeing him on a horse only to see him ride a motorcycle. It's like giving Indy a cel phone. Doesn't seem right. It's the appeal and the curse of those characters. They didn't really stay as relevant in pop culture with on screen media adaptations and they didn't move along with the times to stay "current" either. No sliding timescales or floating timelines. They're usually stuck in the past. Most kids aren't going to find John Carter as appealing because he doesn't drive the latest cool car or have a phone or a high tech gun. It's why DC and Marvel were smart to keep there characters in the "now" and not forever stuck in the 50s or 60s. They stay young but time moves along around them. It's also one reason Spielberg's argument that comic book/superhero movies will go the way of the western is heavily flawed. Their appeal will cool off but they'll never fall out of fashion the way the western has. Westerns by their very nature have limited ways to appeal to the kids of today on a superficial level whereas most superheroes don't have those limits. You ain't gonna see Matt Dillon on a cool sports bike with some kid saying he wants one just like it. But we will see Captain America on one. It's easier and more fun for mos people to live vicariously through modern characters. And to bring this tangent back around again it's he same reason it's so hard for characters like The Shadow to appeal unless they fully update him to modern times. That's a great point. It also reminds me why Marvel's Captain America: First Avenger I dug so much--- it refused to throw away the old WWII associations with Cap (though we also have Stan Lee to thank for that)- and just bring it to the present at the end. Oddly, I think Wonder Woman's movie is going to go with WWI. So that'll be interesting to see. I think some comic book origins and characters shine better when they stay with certain eras. I don't mind MOS rebooting Superman (that much) but not having the heart and nice guy there gutted who he is. He's now a guy in constant pain without red underwear. ;p |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 15, 2016 13:18:55 GMT -5
It's why Cap has such better built in advantages than someone like the Punisher. I think Punisher works best as a Vietnam vet. When you slide his timeline forward to other wars it doesn't work as well. The Vietnam war era was a very unique time in American history. When you take him out of that war you lose something in the character. The great thing about Caps origin is you can always keep it in WWII and keep him in the present day too. Just leave him in the ice longer. The best part is as more and more time goes on his origin becomes more shocking and tragic.
It's why I almost hoped they had made the MCU Punisher an older man who had been operating for decades.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 16, 2016 0:17:02 GMT -5
It's why Cap has such better built in advantages than someone like the Punisher. I think Punisher works best as a Vietnam vet. When you slide his timeline forward to other wars it doesn't work as well. The Vietnam war era was a very unique time in American history. When you take him out of that war you lose something in the character. The great thing Caps about Caps origin is you can always keep it on WWII and keep him on the present day too. Just leave him in the ice longer. The best part is as more and more time goes on his origin becomes more shocking and tragic. It's why I almost hoped they had made the MCU Punisher an older man who had been operating for decades. Agreed. I was thrilled to death when I first heard that Captain America was going to start in WWII. It would have been far easier to just have him in present day. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2016 16:02:49 GMT -5
Or do a small part of the movie in the past and the rest in the present. That's what the 1990 movie did. At least we got one period film in the MCU. I'd like to see more of that. I do want to see more of Hank Pyms Cold War era missions.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 26, 2016 18:37:53 GMT -5
Or do a small part of the movie in the past and the rest in the present. That's what the 1990 movie did. At least we got one period film in the MCU. I'd like to see more of that. I do want to see more of Hank Pyms Cold War era missions. I miss the Hank Pym creating Ultron & becoming an alcoholic.... I understand that Ant-man was off-limits to Whedon because of the movie. Too bad, I would have been curious to see how Whedon would have written and dealt with Stark/Pym scenes. Would Stark identify with Pym or be repulsed by Pym as a mirror image? |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 29, 2016 13:32:38 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Sept 29, 2016 13:45:04 GMT -5
Or do a small part of the movie in the past and the rest in the present. That's what the 1990 movie did. At least we got one period film in the MCU. I'd like to see more of that. I do want to see more of Hank Pyms Cold War era missions. I miss the Hank Pym creating Ultron & becoming an alcoholic.... I understand that Ant-man was off-limits to Whedon because of the movie. Too bad, I would have been curious to see how Whedon would have written and dealt with Stark/Pym scenes. Would Stark identify with Pym or be repulsed by Pym as a mirror image? I would have liked to have seen Pym in the Avengers movies but I really didn't mind Stark creating Ultron. Whedon wasn't the first to do it so there was a precedent set by Marvel themselves. Plus Robotics and artificial intelligence were always more Starks deal so it made sense to me. I don't think we were ever going to see these characters demons explored to the maximum once Disney took over. The first two Iron Man movies and Avengers snuck in hints of Tony Starks own alcoholism but that's pretty much been dropped now. Plus what you said about Downey not wanting to explore Starks daddy issues anymore (as well as the parallels to his own substance abuse) I wouldn't be surprised if Downey didn't want to go there either. The things I always found interesting about Pym were his own unique form of multiple personality disorder and his mental breakdowns. I guess you could argue we saw a little bit of that instability in The Antman movie (which hinted that prolonged unprotected exposure to Pym particles could make a person unstable) since he did seem to be wound pretty tight but sadly I don't think we will see it explored with him either. There were rumors that Pym was going to be the villian in an earlier version of the movie. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 29, 2016 14:17:50 GMT -5
And the news keeps on pouring out today. Looks like the huge threat that kickstarts this big team up/crossover is the alien race the Dominators invading Earth.  Well that makes sense to me. They are the type of villians to be that type of world ending threat. I always thought the Dominators were a pretty cool group of villians in the comics but they never really took off. Just didn't catch on the way other aliens did. I think the could look pretty ridiculous depending on who drew them so that was one thing. Now it looks like they are going to get their due it on television and we're in an era where special effects and make up are at a point to make it work on tv. It'll be interesting to see how hey translate to tv.m I'm guessing they will be toned down some and adapted to make it work on tv which is what needs to be done anyway. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 30, 2016 11:31:03 GMT -5
Superhero fight club
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Post by Metallo on Sept 30, 2016 15:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 2, 2016 13:53:57 GMT -5
The images aren't popping up, but that's fine- I remember the Justice League crossover when they had 'Earth-x' as a parralel universe where the Nazis had ruled--- so, it's cool that they're drawing again from the comics (even though the "For the Girl who has everthing" was a bit of a bust imo) |
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