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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 20, 2020 15:44:31 GMT -5
On another note:
I wonder how the Supergirl tv showrunners would have handled Benoist's pregnancy, if there wasn't a hiatus/delay for shooting?
If I were a showrunner, I'd have included it somehow like how they handled Kira's pregnancy in Deep Space Nine- and have an alternate Supergirl from another universe try to pitch in/help out...
(But that might be too intimidating to any lead actor who might fear getting replaced).
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On 'Angel'. the actress who played Cordelia has said that Joss Whedon was pissed that it destroyed a whole season of scripts overnight & that he never forgave her for that....
It's a little hard to say what the right thing was to have been done, but I do remember that season being pretty bad---
Oh well-
Hopefully they can find a perfect recast- but not a whole lot of time it seems to do so!
Especially with the lockdown, can't imagine the difficulty of doing this now!
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Post by Metallo on May 20, 2020 15:59:47 GMT -5
Orange Is The New Black, Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, XXX: The Return of Xander Cage, John Wick: Chapter 2, The Meg, Pitch Perfect 3. Her career as an actress is relatively young so I figured she wasn’t quite prepared for what she was getting into.
She was a bit stiff in the role at times but I felt she was growing into it and her own natural deadpan actually worked with the character. That’s why I think she and Benoist played off each other so well. Rose is pretty serious while Benoist is naturally happy and bubbly. The ideal Bat/Super matchup.
Rose also had some sharp and striking features (eyes, lips, jawline) that looked good in the cowl and gave her a visual edge. I do think they can find someone better though at least as far as acting and bringing the character to life. It’ll be interesting to see just how far they deviate from what Rose did. Do they change the characters look radically? Do they keep the tattoos which became a part of the character when Rose was cast?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 20, 2020 16:40:30 GMT -5
Orange Is The New Black, Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, XXX: The Return of Xander Cage, John Wick: Chapter 2, The Meg, Pitch Perfect 3. Her career as an actress is relatively young so I figured she wasn’t quite prepared for what she was getting into. She was a bit stiff in the role at times but I felt she was growing into it and her own natural deadpan actually worked with the character. That’s why I think she and Benoist played off each other so well. Rose is pretty serious while Benoist is naturally happy and bubbly. The ideal Bat/Super matchup. Rose also had some sharp and striking features (eyes, lips, jawline) that looked good in the cowl and gave her a visual edge. I do think they can find someone better though at least as far as acting and bringing the character to life. It’ll be interesting to see just how far they deviate from what Rose did. Do they change the characters look radically? Do they keep the tattoos which became a part of the character when Rose was cast? Absolutely- Rose's seriousness and Benoist's bubbly was perfect balance. Kind of wish they killed off the character instead of recasting.... hate recastig. |
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Post by Metallo on May 20, 2020 16:50:30 GMT -5
I don’t think they could get away with that right now so early on the shows run. It’s especially true with the cliffhanger ending for the season. Resolving that would work better with Kate. Plus so much of the shows concept is wrapped up in the character of Kate Kane. Replacing her with a different character would cause them to lose something. I think it’s a case by case issue. Sometimes like with Babylon 5 changing the lead character into a new one can work but with others it’s better to just recast.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 21, 2020 18:51:00 GMT -5
I don’t think they could get away with that right now so early on the shows run. It’s especially true with the cliffhanger ending for the season. Resolving that would work better with Kate. Plus so much of the shows concept is wrapped up in the character of Kate Kane. Replacing her with a different character would cause them to lose something. I think it’s a case by case issue. Sometimes like with Babylon 5 changing the lead character into a new one can work but with others it’s better to just recast. I remember getting annoyed at Stracinski for replacing the actor playing the captain of Babylon 5 --- only to have heard in an interview, it was due to mental health struggles that the actor had, and it just made me sad--- this also apparently happened on "ally Mcbeal" with one of the major supporting players. I guess it's sometimes easy to watch a show or movie and think of the actors as indestructable, not vulnerable human beings like the rest of us....  |
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Post by Metallo on May 21, 2020 19:20:49 GMT -5
True. We expect these people to be around forever but life and death gets in the way. sometimes we never know the truth of what happens behind the scenes.
Although it took some getting used to there was clearly a good reason O‘Hare was replaced on B5 so I never had a major problem with it. The thing that got me was the why. Never could figure it out. They gave a reason back then but that never made sense. O’Hare was obviously still on good terms with JMS otherwise he never would have come back for guest spots to tie up his character. I always assumed it was health related since his career slowed down after he left the show but had no idea exactly what it was.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2020 17:01:34 GMT -5
True. We expect these people to be around forever but life and death gets in the way. sometimes we never know the truth of what happens behind the scenes. Although it took some getting used to there was clearly a good reason O‘Hare was replaced on B5 so I never had a major problem with it. The thing that got me was the why. Never could figure it out. They gave a reason back then but that never made sense. O’Hare was obviously still on good terms with JMS otherwise he never would have come back for guest spots to tie up his character. I always assumed it was health related since his career slowed down after he left the show but had no idea exactly what it was. I assumed it was ego or something petty.... but when hearing about this, just made me sad for O'Hare's struggles and nice of JMS to try to make it less difficult by keeping the real reasons under wraps for so long. |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2020 17:54:42 GMT -5
Yeah I felt for him too. As for JMS he seems like a good guy which in Hollywood is pretty rare especially when it comes to Creators/producers like him.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 27, 2020 1:36:48 GMT -5
Yeah I felt for him too. As for JMS he seems like a good guy which in Hollywood is pretty rare especially when it comes to Creators/producers like him. I do wonder at times though about the he said/she said on Claudia Christiansen.... that was a big loss imo. Pity they couldn't work it out... |
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Post by Metallo on May 27, 2020 15:29:33 GMT -5
I always assumed what she said was true. It looked like the show was cancelled after the fourth season and she decided to move on and look for other work. It got renewed to air on TNT and I guess she didn’t want to commit to that. Who knows. The one I wondered about was why Andrea Thompson left the show. Then after that and a few years on other shows she left acting all together to become a journalist?
It’s also not as fishy to me as the whole Terry Farrell/Deep Space Nine situation which has gone more in depth on in the years after the show ended. The crap women have to put up with in the industry. It’s no wonder we seen them leaving or being fired from tv shows so often.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 28, 2020 4:42:25 GMT -5
I always assumed what she said was true. It looked like the show was cancelled after the fourth season and she decided to move on and look for other work. It got renewed to air on TNT and I guess she didn’t want to commit to that. Who knows. The one I wondered about was why Andrea Thompson left the show. Then after that and a few years on other shows she left acting all together to become a journalist? It’s also not as fishy to me as the whole Terry Farrell/Deep Space Nine situation which has gone more in depth on in the years after the show ended. The crap women have to put up with in the industry. It’s no wonder we seen them leaving or being fired from tv shows so often. It seems a he said/she said on DS9, too.... Fortunately, I'm glad if there hasn't been a major stink behind the scenes on most of the Trek shows- other than egos- (The Farell/Producer thing sounded more rude than abusive if talking about the documentary- I get the feeling from a distance that Avery Brooks wasn't all that happy to be the leader of the cast on DS9, from the documentary- whereas TNG really became a family & Voyager - mostly it seems from the funny cameraderie seen on the convention circuit - except for the sad rifts between Mulgrew & Jeri Ryan.... no idea on the Enterprise cast... but if the most it was ended up being personality conflicts like any workplace, at least it wasn't worse, though sad when some of the members also apparently also had mental health issues). |
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Post by Metallo on May 28, 2020 8:46:05 GMT -5
The TNG cast really was the exception not the rule when it came to getting along and even Stewart was a little stiff early on when the cast would have fun. I’ve always felt Brooks was a little cranky on the set. He’s a quirky guy but I felt he’d rather be doing theater and the long hours and script restrictions of DS9 got on his nerves. The process of making that show sounded like a nightmare sometimes. It was very strict.
With Farrell the hours always seems like a sticking point for her but she also had to put up with a lot of sexist stuff and Berman being an @sshole. No wonder things got easier on the TNG set once Maurice Hurley left. Berman wasn’t that bad but he could be a prick.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 28, 2020 17:13:49 GMT -5
The TNG cast really was the exception not the rule when it came to getting along and even Stewart was a little stiff early on when the cast would have fun. I’ve always felt Brooks was a little cranky on the set. He’s a quirky guy but I felt he’d rather be doing theater and the long hours and script restrictions of DS9 got on his nerves. The process of making that show sounded like a nightmare sometimes. It was very strict. With Farrell the hours always seems like a sticking point for her but she also had to put up with a lot of sexist stuff and Berman being an @sshole. No wonder things got easier on the TNG set once Maurice Hurley left. Berman wasn’t that bad but he could be a prick. I didn't hear anything about the sexist stuff- but with how they ended Voyager on such a lack of respect to the actors who'd been there for years, I guess it sadly doesn't suprise me if people weren't treated well - but... then again, I still maintain it's best to hear all sides with a cool head. It's continually too easy to rush to judgement and good practice to hear all sides first, imo... |
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Post by Metallo on May 28, 2020 17:46:11 GMT -5
You mean Enterprise? That cast definitely got spit right in their faces. Voyager wasn’t treated much better though. I know Robert Beltran really hated a lot of how the show was handled. It’ll be very interesting to see where Picard and Discovery stand in10 or 20 years with the fans and the casts.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 28, 2020 19:30:16 GMT -5
You mean Enterprise? That cast definitely got spit right in their faces. Voyager wasn’t treated much better though. I know Robert Beltran really hated a lot of how the show was handled. It’ll be very interesting to see where Picard and Discovery stand in10 or 20 years with the fans and the casts. Picard is engaging, but the body-swap I hated and the new supporting characters are zzz to me. Discovery I like better, but then again, half of the supporting characters also bore the heck out of me (much like Shield). |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 7, 2020 12:41:12 GMT -5
Looks like you might get your wish, CAM. www.darkhorizons.com/batwoman-producer-explains-not-recasting/Terrible idea IMO. All the character building and storylines they set up will be out the window. Sometimes replacing the lead character works but not when they’re so intertwined with the entire concept. The personal connection to Batman and the Wayne family will be gone. The whole thing with Hush will lose much of its impact. Just recast the role. It’s worked before. It’s worked with comic book characters before. Have some faith in the audience. Yeah it’ll be distracting at first but people will get over it. The biggest reason to replace the main character and not simply recast is because they’re leaving the door open for Rose to come back in some capacity but who knows if that will happen. She’s not worth derailing the plans they’ve set up for a couple of years. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 7, 2020 20:11:49 GMT -5
Looks like you might get your wish, CAM. www.darkhorizons.com/batwoman-producer-explains-not-recasting/Terrible idea IMO. All the character building and storylines they set up will be out the window. Sometimes replacing the lead character works but not when they’re so intertwined with the entire concept. The personal connection to Batman and the Wayne family will be gone. The whole thing with Hush will lose much of its impact. Just recast the role. It’s worked before. It’s worked with comic book characters before. Have some faith in the audience. Yeah it’ll be distracting at first but people will get over it. The biggest reason to replace the main character and not simply recast is because they’re leaving the door open for Rose to come back in some capacity but who knows if that will happen. She’s not worth derailing the plans they’ve set up for a couple of years. I think I'd have to see the whole first season to see if I agree. All I know is that from the bits I did see, Ruby Rose's screen presence ate up the screen as Batwoman- Again, I think I'd have to reserve judgement until I see the first season to say whether I'd agree with the producers or not. But it is an interesting development and of course it makes one wonder even more what happened exactly. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 26, 2020 17:59:56 GMT -5
First look at the new Batwoman lead in her new costume.   Not bad. They’ve made some minor but noticeable tweaks. Some I like better than the previous suits some I think are a step back. I prefer the closed neck to the open neck Roses later costumes sported |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 28, 2020 14:12:30 GMT -5
I never had anything for or against the character Batwoman- I just didn't have much interest in her character, even if I enjoyed seeing her in "Crisis"- but I do appreciate that the producers used the recasting as an opportunity to expand diversity.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 29, 2020 18:37:53 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Oct 30, 2020 21:07:37 GMT -5
I read something about that. I know Amell is Canadian and I hate to say this as an American but as far as our country goes we’ve blown it as far as overcoming this virus because of American pride impatience and lack of selflessness. It was never going to be easy but if we’d been more resolute in doing what needed to be done we could be doing much better than we are right now. There’s so much disinformation out there and people are either buying it, don’t care, or simply refuse to believe what’s going on.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 30, 2020 21:09:30 GMT -5
In lighter news check this out. Here’s a photo of Kevin Caliber, the actor who played Superman in the Supergirl tv pilot.  It’s interesting to get a good look at him as Superman and the suit he wore because they weren’t allowed to show much of the character in the first season. The suits pretty basic but for what was shown it didn’t need many details. I’m guessing they weren’t even allowed to put an S on there. Either that or they didn’t feel the need to because so little of him was seen.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 31, 2020 13:39:43 GMT -5
That's REALLY cool! Never seen this before. I actually feel like THAT guy has the right look for Supes, if it's not Routh. Will watch the Hoechlin tv show, but to me the physicality is at least 50 percent of casting... but, again, all subjective.  |
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