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Post by Metallo on Oct 2, 2016 14:21:46 GMT -5
Sorry about that. I'll get on fixing the embeds. I think it's a great idea for Legends to bring them on. The cool thing about the show is they can explore characters from across DCs fictional history. The Jonah Hex episode gave us a taste of that and even though I had problems with that one I appreciated the effort. At least it was better than the movie.
I agree with you on For The Girl Who Had Everythjng. I liked it ok enough I guess but I wasn't blown away. It could have been so much better. They should have used that story for a Superman/Supergirl story. Have Mongul put the black mercy on Superman and replace Batman and Wonder Woman with J'onn and Supergirl. I just didn't think Supergirls take on it was as good. Astra and Non just weren't good enough replacements for Mongul and we didn't have good enough action in it either. Plus Supergirl lived on Krypton. Superman didn't. His pain and longing were much different so the idea of him being ripped away from something he never even got was in some way worse.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 11, 2016 9:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 12, 2016 12:50:55 GMT -5
Great pics. Can only imagine what it must be like to be an actor who plays a superhero on that set.
On a side note, glad that Routh didn't just disappear but got a good role in the Berliantiverse.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 23, 2016 22:05:52 GMT -5
Rouths stayed surpringly busy the last few years. He's probably been working more as far as different stuff than Welling or Cavill.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 28, 2016 17:00:44 GMT -5
Rouths stayed surpringly busy the last few years. He's probably been working more as far as different stuff than Welling or Cavill. Btw... Welling I think is suffering from being stuck with a bit of a 'babyface' and tough to cast. Cavill I think can act and has presence, but just has what I feel is a wrong take on Superman. Routh being on tv may open up more doors (and gain him more experience just by doing so much, much like Reeve did on a soap opera) down the line, suprisingly- rather than just hold out for movies only. Glad to see that he's not disappeared. (though I still think they missed out by not casting him as an alternate-earth Supes on tv for even a brief appearance). |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 28, 2016 17:24:28 GMT -5
I think Welling is a little typecast and was never that great an actor. He never made a
spash outside of Smallville. The Fog, one of his big shots to, was a massive bomb. Being near 40 probably doesn't help. Cavills a better actor than him but he's not as good as some people have claimed. He is somewhat bland compared to other stars his age who are doing better. I don't think he has the passion for truly ACTING like some of his contemporaries. He's said himself he sees it as a job that pays big. He's not working as much and seems more concerned with working on his body to be an action star instead of an actor. Rouths no great actor either even though he's improved. I think he shares some of the same issues Cavill has in that they're good looking dudes but don't scream star or leading man even if they have the looks.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 2, 2016 14:44:41 GMT -5
I think Welling is a little typecast and was never that great an actor. He never made a spash outside of Smallville. The Fog, one of his big shots to, was a massive bomb. Being near 40 probably doesn't help. Cavills a better actor than him but he's not as good as some people have claimed. He is somewhat bland compared to other stars his age who are doing better. I don't think he has the passion for truly ACTING like some of his contemporaries. He's said himself he sees it as a job that pays big. He's not working as much and seems more concerned with working on his body to be an action star instead of an actor. Rouths no great actor either even though he's improved. I think he shares some of the same issues Cavill has in that they're good looking dudes but don't scream star or leading man even if they have the looks. Welling from what I"ve read seemed pretty easygoing, happy to just relax with his family vs. Hollywood partying.... though who knows what's going on after the divorce, sadly. Stable people are rare in any field. Cavill is a strong actor I think, but needs to find the right role. Routh is getting better, I would think/hope that the SR experience would have either destroyed someone or made them pretty humble about expectations in Hwood... again, thrilled that he's found a role that people (and he) really seems to like. If the series continues, ironically, he may end up happier than poor Chris Reeve who (in his memoirs) was pretty ambitious but felt great disappointment in his career post-Superman before the accident. (Of course, the accident changed everything for him) With Legends of Tomorrow--- I just wish I liked more of the cast or how they're written. I do find Arrow more watchable, and I'm not really THAT crazy about that show, either. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 2, 2016 15:47:06 GMT -5
Reeve's career would have been much better if he'd played the "one from them one for me" game sooner. He wanted to be a serious dramatic actor or at least not be an action star. He shouldn't have turned down some of the movies he did. Cavills trying to play that game now like most superhero actors are but Cavills not into the craft of acting the way Reeve was and he never had the a list star launchpad Reeve had. MOS was no where near the kind of success STM was.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 4, 2016 16:48:57 GMT -5
Reeve's career would have been much better if he'd played the "one from them one for me" game sooner. He wanted to be a serious dramatic actor or at least not be an action star. He shouldn't have turned down some of the movies he did. Cavills trying to play that game now like most superhero actors are but Cavills not into the craft of acting the way Reeve was and he never had the a list star launchpad Reeve had. MOS was no where near the kind of success STM was. Perhaps... but probably easier to say in hindsight. I think the thing with actors who have played Superman is that their good looks and build can work against them for a number of roles. Even when Reeve was Superman- Some of the successful films he turned down (if memory serves) are hard to picture with him in it and may or may not have had all the elements just right with the change of actors, with all due respect to Reeve's acting talents. Right now, I think Chris Helmsworth is facing some of the same issues Reeve may have had in securing 'the' roles that fit and that the audience feels that they want to see him in, outside of the superhero films. RDJ and Batfleck were kind of 'known' as individual personalities before.... so they still seem to be pretty castable in 'everyman' roles- though in RDJ's case- Tony Stark fit RDJ with his history and all, that it's now probably far harder to separate RDJ from Iron Man than Batfleck from Batman. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 4, 2016 18:16:24 GMT -5
Reeve would have been wrong for some of the films as we know them but others would have been readjusted to fit him. The version of Running Man he was going to star in was different from what we got. I imagine there are also a lot of films we never heard of. Thing is he had shots but didn't take them.
I think Hemsworths problem is the era. Thor hasn't taken off the way Superman did in the movies plus now more than ever it's more about the concept than star power or any established genre. The era of the movie star is pretty much dead. It's why none of the MCU stars aside from of all people Scarjo haven't been in many of any huge box office hits outside of the MCU.
They need to pick the right movies but that's much harder now. We're in an age where even a big lead star like will smith has been in a bunch of bombs and needs a big comic book franchise. Ten years ago it would've been unheard of for someone like him to be in a movie like SS. Especially an ensemble. If someone like Hemsworth wants big hits he needs to take films with wide appeal, something that's must see that will get people in theaters and has strong marketing. Getting harder and harder to do. Chris Pratts made a lot of the right choices.
In Reeve's era budgets were lower and there were more mid level and smaller studio movies so it would have been easier for him to succeed. Now those films are hardly being released by the big studios and when 170 million dollar budgets are normal the bar for success is a lot higher.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 5, 2016 10:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 5, 2016 14:40:47 GMT -5
Reeve would have been wrong for some of the films as we know them but others would have been readjusted to fit him. The version of Running Man he was going to star in was different from what we got. I imagine there are also a lot of films we never heard of. Thing is he had shots but didn't take them. I think Hemsworths problem is the era. Thor hasn't taken off the way Superman did in the movies plus now more than ever it's more about the concept than star power or any established genre. The era of the movie star is pretty much dead. It's why none of the MCU stars aside from of all people Scarjo haven't been in many of any huge box office hits outside of the MCU. They need to pick the right movies but that's much harder now. We're in an age where even a big lead star like will smith has been in a bunch of bombs and needs a big comic book franchise. Ten years ago it would've been unheard of for someone like him to be in a movie like SS. Especially an ensemble. If someone like Hemsworth wants big hits he needs to take films with wide appeal, something that's must see that will get people in theaters and has strong marketing. Getting harder and harder to do. Chris Pratts made a lot of the right choices. In Reeve's era budgets were lower and there were more mid level and smaller studio movies so it would have been easier for him to succeed. Now those films are hardly being released by the big studios and when 170 million dollar budgets are normal the bar for success is a lot higher. Good points. I was always curious about the Richard Dreyfus/Cronenberg version of "Total Recall"- as another example of 'what if with another actor had happened' project- Nowadays, I think it's also that there's SO MUCH free entertainment- that one has to choose carefully. Superhero films with big investment and big returns are almost the 'must' and (more/less) 'safe' investments if it's half-decent. While people still go out to see dramas/romances/comedies- I highly doubt that "Passengers" would have people lining up as much as they probably will without the big spectacle/ scifi elements in that romance. I wonder if it's just smart now for actors to figure out their 'brand'. Tom Cruise is a formula, more than an actor. You pretty much know what you're going to get. Arnold used to be the same (for the most part). Those who had confusing choices sometimes made their brand die out faster- i.e. Harrison Ford's movies being hit/miss after the 80's (shoulda stuck with heroic romantic lead maybe), Stallone when he wasn't Rocky or Rambo, etc. Helmsworth (and Evans) maybe need to find out what kind of 'formula' works best for them and their career. Reeve perhaps could have/should have embraced (and taken more control of) his Superman opportunity after Superman III's disappointing results, if it was his strongest resource. While many put down SIV- I think Reeve had interesting ideas and if he learned more of what to look for (and look out for) in scripts, perhaps he could have muscled his way to being a 'Lucas' type force for the Supergirl movie (that he was supposed to cameo in originally) and another Superman film while it was still hot enough under WB immediately after SIII. (Since WB even approached DOnner to come back after SIII at the time, it had to be a viable option for a time with WB). Anyhow, just a thought... |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 7, 2016 12:57:32 GMT -5
Cruise is a great example. 15 years ago someone like him would have never been in a franchise movie like the Mummy where so much is out of his control. Now he's an aging lead and things have changed so he has to do it to stay in demand. His own movies have been hit or miss over the last decade and now he's trying to built franchises with built in appeal. It's why he's sticking with Jack Reacher to supplement the M:I Series.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 7, 2016 15:02:39 GMT -5
Cruise is a great example. 15 years ago someone like him would have never been in a franchise movie like the Mummy where so much is out of his control. Now he's an aging lead and things have changed so he has to do it to stay in demand. His own movies have been hit or miss over the last decade and now he's trying to built franchises with built in appeal. It's why he's sticking with Jack Reacher to supplement the M:I Series. He's probably the only one I know of from the 80's still headlining films - It's probably much harder to convince studios now to invest tons of money into a Tom Cruise film that's not Mission Impossible. or a superhero film. He's smart to start doing properties with built-in audiences now. If he found an obscure but obscure scifi property that he could remake into a franchise (Buck Rogers in the 25th Century?) that might be smart - but being an aging lead makes a lot more difficult, I'm sure. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 1, 2017 22:10:56 GMT -5
Top ten Arrowverse characters.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2017 2:33:04 GMT -5
Top ten Arrowverse characters. I'm probably not quite as generous to name ten great character/actor combos in the Berliantiverse, but these are my favs: 1= Flash 2= Supergirl 3= Atom 4= Firestorm 5- Constantine (ok, Goyerverse) 6- Captain Cold (though he really needs the blue glasses imo) 7- Red Tornado (NAILED the look/moreso than the Vision at the MCU) Haven't caught up with the newer seasons, but so far, these are my favorite casting choices. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 5, 2017 9:15:23 GMT -5
I really hated Red Tornado. To me he not only didn't look like the comic but he looked ridiculous covered in attack dog training pads. I thought The Vision was an excellent adaptation of a comic book look that could easily look ridiculous.
Constantine has retroactively been made part of the Arrowverse so you're fine there. They salvaged Goyers failure. Ryan's good in the role so I'm glad and hope to see him again.
The only thing I didn't like about Watchmojos list is they've seemed to confuse characters with heroes. Imo it would end up being two different lists if they made that distinction. For me the heroes list would be
Supergirl
Barry Allen/Flash
Green Arrow
White Canary
Atom
Heatwave
Jay Garrick/Flash
Constantine
Stein/Jax or Stein/Ronnie
J'onn/Martian Manhunter
Then a seperate list for villains, another for supporting characters like Winn, Alex, Joe West, Harrison Wells, etc. and finally the big list where all characters are eligible.
Sounds like fun so maybe I'll think about doing those later.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2017 20:24:21 GMT -5
I really hated Red Tornado. To me he not only didn't look like the comic but he looked ridiculous covered in attack dog training pads. I thought but Vision was an excellent adaptation of a comic book look that could easily look ridiculous. Constantine has retroactively been made part of the Arrowverse so you're fine there. They salvaged Goyers failure. Ryan's good in the role so I'm glad and hope to see him again. The only thing I didn't like about Watchmojos list is they've seemed to confuse characters with heroes. Imo it would end up being to different lists if they made that distinction. For me the heroes list would be Supergirl Barry Allen/Flash Green Arrow White Canary Atom Heatwave Jay Garrick/Flash Constantine Stein/Jax or Stein/Ronnie J'onn/Martian Manhunter Then a seperate list for villains, another for supporting characters like Winn, Alex, Joe West, Harrison Wells, etc. and finally the big list where all characters are eligible. Sounds like fun so maybe I'll think about doing those later. Oddly, the guy who was originally cast as Jay Garrick/Flash was so good- that I was disappointed that he ended up being Zoom.... though the final twist of having the old tv Flash be the 'real' Jay Garrick Flash was too cool an idea to pass up. Martian Manhunter I agree is great- though I really am not crazy about most of Berlianti's casting with many of the other characters in general (outside of the ones I listed). |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 25, 2017 20:20:46 GMT -5
The 2024 version of Flash's suit from tonight's episode  Hopefully he wears this next season. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 12, 2017 15:04:17 GMT -5
The 2024 version of Flash's suit from tonight's episode Hopefully he wears this next season. Personally, not crazy about the extra lines on the suit. A little overdesigned, but I could live with it if I had to.... |
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Post by Metallo on May 12, 2017 16:50:55 GMT -5
That's the influence of the flashpoint comics suit. I don't care for them either but otherwise I think it's an improvement in every way. I loathe the chevron belt and this does a decent job of fixing it. I've always preferred a lighter red too.
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Post by Metallo on May 18, 2017 13:55:31 GMT -5
Black Lightning series trailer Doesn't look as well produced/high budget as the other CW shows but I like the concept especially a hero who comes back after being retired for years. Cress Williams is a solid choice as Jefferson Pierce. Seems kind of stupid not to have it set in the Arrowverse though. I think they're just saying that for now. Eventually he'll cross over with the others. There's no way that's a hardcore gang neighborhood. Looks way way too nice. Very much The cw tv version of a gang.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 18, 2017 14:03:50 GMT -5
Black Lightning series trailer There's no way that's a hardcore gang neighborhood. Looks way way too nice. Very much The cw tv version of a gang. I'm still skeptical of any Berliantiverse series- even with "Supergirl" and "Flash"..... keeping an open mind, though.... |
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Post by Metallo on May 18, 2017 14:20:48 GMT -5
Black Lightning series trailer There's no way that's a hardcore gang neighborhood. Looks way way too nice. Very much The cw tv version of a gang. I'm still skeptical of any Berliantiverse series- even with "Supergirl" and "Flash"..... keeping an open mind, though.... As you say though doesn't it depend on the showrunner? I agree with you but as far as tv goes Berlanti probably still has the best track record in DC's tv history. His shows have been more consistently good than Smallville, Lois and Clark, and Gotham. And most his shows are outlasting the 1990 Flash, BOTH Human Targets, and Constantine. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 19, 2017 3:42:10 GMT -5
I'm still skeptical of any Berliantiverse series- even with "Supergirl" and "Flash"..... keeping an open mind, though.... As you say though doesn't it depend on the showrunner? I agree with you but as far as tv goes Berlanti probably still has the best track record in DC's tv history. His shows have been more consistently good than Smallville, Lois and Clark, and Gotham. And most his shows are outlasting the 1990 Flash, BOTH Human Targets, and Constantine. I really like "Supergirl" and "Flash", but... I'll put it this way. While Berlianti's superhero shows are strong (the first season of Daredevil imo is the gold standard imo)- I still find some of the romance elements pretty irritating in those shows, and I think if we didn't live in a time where there was "Game of Thrones", Ron Moore's "Battlestar Galactica", and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"- I wouldn't still wish the shows could be a little more ambitious and up the ante. Berlianti's work is nowhere as horrible as Goyer's Blade series or any of Akiva Goldman's superhero or scifi film scripts- but I feel there's room for improvement and I do find myself fast-forwarding some of the bits in his shows... whereas I've never done that with a lot of Joss Whedon's work on tv nor Ron Moore's. So- I do enjoy Berlianti's shows overall, but want to love them like I have other scifi/fantasy shows. Not quite there yet. |
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