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Post by Metallo on May 19, 2017 8:38:40 GMT -5
You won't get any argument from me there. I hate the ridiculous soap opera romance stuff. I enjoy relashionship stuff if it's done well and seriously but CWs never done that. We've delt with the romance melodrama since smallville and a lesser extent Lois & Clark (but at least the tone of that show made it less annoying). With CW you just kind of have to accept it as part of the package. Unfortunately.
Arrow is hinting at the felicity and Oliver romance returning and I hate it. Pissed me off so much. Just when the show is recovering from it too.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 19, 2017 14:06:45 GMT -5
You won't get any argument from me there. I hate the ridiculous soap opera romance stuff. I enjoy relashionship stuff if it's done well and seriously but CWs never done that. We've delt with the romance melodrama since smallville and a lesser extent Lois & Clark (but at least the tone of that show made it less annoying). With CW you just kind of have to accept it as part of the package. Unfortunately. Arrow is hinting at the felicity and Oliver romance returning and I hate it. Pissed me off so much. Just when the show is recovering from it too. Same here. Buffy and Angel had romance stuff- but it was done in a way that mirrored other issues, and often displayed the dark side to human relationships... so the layering always showed more sides of the character. NEVER was a fan of felicity/mary sue in Arrow. Sad to hear it's coming back. |
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Post by Metallo on May 19, 2017 14:25:00 GMT -5
She's such an annoying character. It's obvious the writers are infatuated with her instead of looking at her objectively. She always has to be right or outsnark everyone. She's a perfect example of an agenda character and one that doesn't work at that. If that relashionship comes back I think I'm done with Arrow. I don't care thef they changed canon or whatever but that pairing just kills the show dead in its tracks.
Whedon knew how to write relashionships of all kinds. Most of the writers on these kinds of shows now...don't. But it's mostly because CW wants to cater to a certain audience with the shipper drama.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 28, 2017 18:28:58 GMT -5
She's such an annoying character. It's obvious the writers are infatuated with her instead of looking at her objectively. She always has to be right or outsnark everyone. She's a perfect example of an agenda character and one that doesn't work at that. If that relashionship comes back I think I'm done with Arrow. I don't care thef they changed canon or whatever but that pairing just kills the show dead in its tracks. Whedon knew how to write relashionships of all kinds. Most of the writers on these kinds of shows now...don't. But it's mostly because CW wants to cater to a certain audience with the shipper drama. I'm also not a fan of half of Berlianti's casting. I don't know if it's the character or actress, but either way, I agree... REALLY annoying character. |
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Post by Metallo on May 28, 2017 20:27:23 GMT -5
Probably a little bit of both. They give her some crappy writing but another actress would play it differently. Maybe they'd be less annoying.
I agree with you though. Sometimes the casting on these shows is perfect like with Benoist or victor garner as Stein then you get some pretty mediocre or downright miscasts like the guy who played Vandal Savage. Then you be some in the middle who are ok but not excellent.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 31, 2017 12:30:29 GMT -5
Probably a little bit of both. They give her some crappy writing but another actress would play it differently. Maybe they'd be less annoying. I agree with you though. Sometimes the casting on these shows is perfect like with Benoist or victor garner as Stein then you get some pretty mediocre or downright miscasts like the guy who played Vandal Savage. Then you be some in the middle who are ok but not excellent. Now and then on commentaries for tv shows I'll hear about just how competitive producers are for good actors in L.A.--- with so many unemployed actors, it makes me wonder.... are there THAT few actors to draw from during pilot season? If the casting takes so long and/or is so uncertain, I'm not crazy about 'duplicate casting' by directors, but I get why directors want someone they know they can trust on-set not to be a flake, but if the 'good actor' pool is really that small, it makes even more sense... (i.e. Cyclops for Superman Returns). |
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Post by Metallo on May 31, 2017 12:59:08 GMT -5
I think what makes it worse is that these days modern productions want a specific look instead of the common man type of actors. Half the people on Star Trek tos through ds9 wouldn't even be considered. People like Colm Meany or Deforrest Kelly or even Nimoy and Stewart. Would they be the leads today?
They want better looking people. It's twice as bad for cw who draw from that same pool as platinum dunes does for their movies. They want these plastic magazine model types for all their shows because their network is branded a certain way. Sort of like the types they get for soap operas. When you want that AND talent the well you're drawing from dwindles down pretty low.
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Post by Metallo on May 31, 2017 15:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 1, 2017 10:30:04 GMT -5
I think what makes it worse is that these days modern productions want a specific look instead of the common man type of actors. Half the people on Star Trek tos through ds9 wouldn't even be considered. People like Colm Meany or Deforrest Kelly or even Nimoy and Stewart. Would they be the leads today? They want better looking people. It's twice as bad for cw who draw from that same pool as platinum dunes does for their movies. They want these plastic magazine model types for all their shows because their network is branded a certain way. Sort of like the types they get for soap operas. When you want that AND talent the well you're drawing from dwindles down pretty low. True- but it's also the CW's demographics. Mostly young folks. For superhero material, I can't say that I blame them 1000% about getting good looking young folks for some of the characters... but it feels at times that it's overboard casting. Good points about the Trek folks. |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 1, 2017 11:11:49 GMT -5
I think you can get good looking people with a little character in their faces. Hollywoods always done that. Look at Paul Newman. I just think in today's Hollywood they go for a certain asthetic. ATP put it into good words yesterday but for some reason his post seems to have disappeared.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2017 13:29:21 GMT -5
Footage from the DC/CW web series The Ray. It looks good. Different from what I expected. Set on an alternate earth where the Nazis won. The Reichmen bad guys remind me of Superman from the episode Brave new metropolis and the comic Superman Red Son. Red tornado looks similar to how he looked on supergirl.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 2, 2017 2:34:11 GMT -5
Footage from the DC/CW web series The Ray. It looks good. Different from what I expected. Set on an alternate earth where the Nazis won. The Reichmen bad guys remind me of Superman from the episode Brave new metropolis and the comic Superman Red Son. Red tornado looks similar to how he looked on supergirl. Back when this concept was introduced in the Justicle League/Justice Society crossover comics in the 80s, I was hoping/thinking that the spinoff "Freedom Fighters" comic was going to be set in that universe... but turned out to be quite a dud as a comic, despite great characters. I dig this- but am more than a little bummed that they didn't keep their original costumes. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 1, 2017 11:49:08 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2017 16:10:33 GMT -5
 Actual artwork for a poster instead of photoshop and it's by Phil Jimenez to boot! So we got a title and some spoilers. Who survived the arrow season finale. Isis got her name changed for obvious reasons. I do wonder who the second evil arrow guy on the bottom is. Is it Prometheus? Can't wait to see the Ray in live action. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 23, 2017 1:58:41 GMT -5
I saw a few pretty neat Berlianti-verse related promo posters for Supergirl and Flash that were specific comic book issue- based that I thought were pretty neat. While I have some criticisms of Berlianti's shows, I do think at times he and his company really know how to please the fans- and some of the choices in the promo materials are one of them.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2017 9:50:19 GMT -5
You mean like these?    Yeah I have my issues with the shows but there's no denying they have fun embracing the comics. Versions of these images have even been recreated within the actual episodes. They at least seem to get the characters even if the writing quality is sometimes poor. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 24, 2017 1:21:25 GMT -5
You mean like these? Yeah I have my issues with the shows but there's no denying they have fun embracing the comics. Versions of these images have even been recreated within the actual episodes. They at least seem to get the characters even if the writing quality is sometimes poor. Those are the ones!  I wish the DC movie marketing dept. did the same treatment with the posters for the Justice League movie. Wouldn't it be awesome to see a JL movie poster with the "Super Friends" design? (Or something similar to another famous fan image) Would show that they had a sense of humor like the tv marketers.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 24, 2017 10:31:53 GMT -5
I agree. One of the recent posters did have an Alex Ross vibe to it   and Snyder has recreated scenes from books in his films but I'd like to see that down more with promotional material. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 24, 2017 12:54:12 GMT -5
I have to say, I don't mind the design for Wonder WOman and Batman's costumes, but the 'stitched together/Frankenstein' look of the Flash costumes drives me nuts. If it's not broken don't fix it, I feel...
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Post by Metallo on Sept 25, 2017 9:32:53 GMT -5
Im not crazy about but the Flash tv costume and really dislike the movie costume. I know there's supposedly reason for the movies patched together plating and bailing wire look but it's still ugly. There are elements of both costumes that I like but as wholes they should be a lot better.
The fingerless gloves on the movie suit are ridiculous.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 23, 2017 19:17:46 GMT -5
Watched Supergirl tonight and was surprised to see Helen Slater back. Always a welcome presence on the show. Tonight's episode has J'onn and Kara going to Mars and they find his father. Carl Lumbly (the voice of J'onn on Justice League and JLU) plays his father. Pretty cool idea for the show.   |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 24, 2017 0:35:58 GMT -5
Watched Supergirl tonight and was surprised to see Helen Slater back. Always a welcome presence on the show. Tonight's episode has J'onn and Kara going to Mars and they find his father. Carl Lumbly (the voice of J'onn on Justice League and JLU) plays his father. Pretty cool idea for the show. Looking forward to the 3rd season soon as it hits Netflix or blu.... |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 24, 2017 7:46:33 GMT -5
Im always impressed with what they can do on a tv schedule and budget. The show is still mixed though. When it's strong it's really strong. When it's not...it makes you not want to watch. Wish they'd done tone it down on the politics and social stuff. Not that all people disagree but when it's half your episode it just turns people off. I thought last weeks episode with the woman that could induce fear was great.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 24, 2017 11:29:15 GMT -5
Im always impressed with what they can do on a tv schedule and budget. The show is still mixed though. When it's strong it's really strong. When it's not...it makes you not want to watch. Wish they'd done tone it down on the politics and social stuff. Not that all people disagree but when it's half your episode it just turns people off. I thought last weeks episode with the woman that could induce fear was great. At its best, trek, galactic a, Buffy, and angel tv shows did it best- blending message and story such that the story felt natural, not preachy. The production values on supergirl and arrow make wonder why shows like iron fist and in humans look so crappy. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 24, 2017 12:02:12 GMT -5
Yeah to me Star Trek (well...the first three live action shows) was the best and blending in some kind of message one moral or social commentary in a way that worked. Seems like most of today's writers or show runners don't know how to do that without being heavy handed and like you said preachy. If Star Trek 66 was made today (which i guess we are seeing with Discovery) they'd throw the social commentary right in everyone's faces with righteous anger and tell half the audience how wrong they are wether they are or not even if they are or aren't guilty of something.
I feel the best way to make a point of certain issues is not to make a big deal about it.
Are far as what's wrong with Marvel Netflix...it's about budget and location. The CW shows shoot in Canada so that money goes farther. Plus it just seems like Marvel and Netflix and ABC got cheap with the budgets. Daredevil and Punisher don't really need big budgets except for the locations and time for choreography but JJ and LK could use more money. Defenders obviously could use more.
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