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Post by Metallo on Jan 23, 2018 14:42:58 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Jan 23, 2018 20:48:25 GMT -5
Elongated Man finally gets a real costume.  And an old alum from the Flash franchise returns as Trickster jr’s mom.   Between Corrine Bohrer and Sarah Douglas it’s been a fun week so far for old school DC fans. |
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Post by Metallo on Jan 30, 2018 22:22:19 GMT -5
Here’s something I didn’t even catch for the last few weeks. Black Lightning has a character called Inspector Henderson. Is it the classic Bill Henderson character or the reimagined version based on him from more recent comics? Either way he’s based on some version of the comic book character who was a Superman character first. Is this another tie to Supergirl and Superman’s universe that supports it being set on earth 38?
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Post by Metallo on Feb 10, 2018 15:56:11 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 13, 2018 0:19:07 GMT -5
Here's hoping that Robotman isn't a young GQ model with a black leather jacket....
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Post by Metallo on Mar 12, 2018 15:07:48 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Mar 19, 2018 19:14:20 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 29, 2018 19:37:01 GMT -5
Haven't kept up with the show. Surprised to hear Garber left (was it due to health issues?), pity.
Eventually I probably will catch all of the Berlianti seasons. Right now, mainly watching Supergirl when they lower in price on blu ray. Flash started to feel repetitive with season 3, so I haven't gone back yet. Never quite got hooked onto Legends of Tomorrow, Rough and Garber's characters were the most interesting at the time.... if Garber's gone, I don't know when/if I'll get back to it.
Still- enjoy all of these over "Gotham" which is a bit too dark (and I felt a bit pointless) to stay with. I originally thought it was going to be something incredibly deep with the show runner of "Rome", but it showed it really wasn't quite the case....
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Post by Metallo on Mar 29, 2018 22:01:36 GMT -5
Tried to watch Gotham tonight and it was just ridiculous. They aren’t even trying to make anything interesting it’s just a farce.
All the arrowverse shows are in a slump this season. I think it’s because they all have weaker bad guys this year and seem to be rehashing old stuff. Black Lightning is the best of the five but even it isn’t as good as it was during the first couple of years.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 30, 2018 0:26:40 GMT -5
Tried to watch Gotham tonight and it was just ridiculous. They aren’t even trying to make anything interesting it’s just a farce. All the arrowverse shows are in a slump this season. I think it’s because they all have weaker bad guys this year and seem to be rehashing old stuff. Black Lightning is the best of the five but even it isn’t as good as it was during the first couple of years. The most interesting element to me from Gotham's first season was the young Bruce Wayne stuff. Not long after, I found the pilot for the original 'Young Bruce Wayne' tv series that pre-dated "Smallville"- and found a lot of similarities from that script and what they were doing with the young Bruce Wayne. Unfortunately, most of "Gotham" feels like uninteresting filler with the villains' backstories and Gordon. "Hannibal" it is not. Out of all the comic book series on air- I can only think of the first season of "Daredevil" and some episodes of "Smalliville" and season 1 "Flash" for the most depth. "Arrow" is/was great popcorn to keep you watching, but in hindsight, can't think of any real meaning to any of the episodes. (though I have yet to go through Legion Season 1) Anyhow- I wish I was more thrilled and exhilarated with these superhero shows, but more and more it's feeling bland and easier to miss. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 30, 2018 8:22:32 GMT -5
Most of them have their entertainment value but few of them are must see tv. Biggest problem is no great villains this season. Tobias Whale is the best but he hasn’t been seen the last few episodes of Lightning. Other problem is too much filler.
I’d probably rank the dc shows this year as
Black Lightning
Supergirl
Legends or Tomorrow
Arrow
Flash
Krypton
Gotham
Legends is probably the best it’s eved been but Damian Dark is stale and has been done to death. Don’t care about this Mallus bad guy. Constantine has been a welcome addition though.
Arrow is solid but not as good as season five. Again poor bad guys and the return of Olicity is a problem. The thinker sucks as a big bad and flash just seems to be rehashing previous seasons. Supergirl is too stop start stop start with its momentum. interesting bad guy but then it goes into stuff that’s not very interesting.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 23, 2018 19:41:24 GMT -5
Man someone on the CW shows has really been watching Star Trek tng this year. First legends of tomorrow remade cause and effect and now supergirl is remaking the tng episode Sarek. Martian Manhunters father is mentally affecting people the same way Sarek was when he was suffering from dementia.
Liked Benoist quoting Marlon Brando.
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Post by Metallo on May 17, 2018 15:06:45 GMT -5
Looks like the Batman franchise is finally going to directly cross into the arrowverse...kind of. www.darkhorizons.com/arrow-verse-to-include-batwoman-gotham-city/She’s just the character I’d imagine Berlanti would want and probably one of the few bat family members they’re allowed to use so it makes sense. I’d still like to see Barbara Gordon on Supergirl though. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 17, 2018 15:25:17 GMT -5
Looks like the Batman franchise is finally going to directly cross into the arrowverse...kind of. www.darkhorizons.com/arrow-verse-to-include-batwoman-gotham-city/She’s just the character I’d imagine Berlanti would want and probably one of the few bat family members they’re allowed to use so it makes sense. I’d still like to see Barbara Gordon on Supergirl though. At this point I think I'd be more thrilled if Berlianti started hiring old "Buffy" or "Star Trek" writers to give the shows more depth, though. I'm glad for the comic book 'pop' that Berlianti is allowing (real costumes! thank you Greg!)- but if he's thinking longer term, trying to think bigger and adding some real substance now wouldn't be a bad direction to go to.... |
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Post by Metallo on May 17, 2018 20:46:35 GMT -5
I think at this point they’re stretched too thin and it seems like the best writers are going to other places like streaming shows and high quality cable shows. Kriesberg was good but he had to ruin things for himself.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 17, 2018 21:06:28 GMT -5
I think at this point they’re stretched too thin and it seems like the best writers are going to other places like streaming shows and high quality cable shows. Kriesberg was good but he had to ruin things for himself. Pity. I wonder how much of it is politics- after all, when Manny Coto was in charge of hiring for Star Trek: Enterprise, he went outside Hwood and made offers to the Star Trek novelists and had them come onboard as staff writers, knowing that they knew Star Trek. On the flip side, Peter David (who wrote a couple of great Trek novels) submitted tv scripts to Next Gen, but the producers turned them down. Also, why is it that for comic book animated adaptation assignments almost never go to the people who wrote them originally? Look at Batman: Year One- was Frank Miller too busy? I'm guessing its' the idea that they have a budget for an easy assignment with these things, and want to give it to a buddy, rather than the original writer. |
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Post by Metallo on May 17, 2018 21:11:52 GMT -5
I think there’s is an element of who you know and the connections you have but there’s more to it too. How many of the best writers would even want to work on cw shows for that pay? They seem like the types of shows where writers start not where great writers who’ve made it go. Gotham was lucky to get someone like Bruno hecker and even that show isn’t doing all that well.
Star Trek at least had the draw of being more well respected harder sci fi than fantasy but even they let in some hacks. Brannon Bragga was a hack and he ended up one of the top dogs on Star Trek. DS9 had better writers but it wasn’t seen as the flagship show after TNG ended Voyager was since it was on UPN.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 17, 2018 21:28:17 GMT -5
I think there’s is an element of who you know and the connections you have but there’s more to it too. How many of the best writers would even want to work on cw shows for that pay? They seem like the types of shows where writers start not where great writers who’ve made it go. Gotham was lucky to get someone like Bruno hecker and even that show isn’t doing all that well. Star Trek at least had the draw of being more well respected harder sci fi than fantasy but even they let in some hacks. Brannon Bragga was a hack and he ended up one of the top dogs on Star Trek. DS9 had better writers but it wasn’t seen as the flagship show after TNG ended Voyager was since it was on UPN. There's a lot of weird backstory to Voyager and DS9: Essentially Ron Moore got his pick of whether he wanted to go with Voyager or DS9 after TNG. Braga (his co-writer) picked Voyager and became one of the show runners, but Moore was tired of doing 'ship' stories and went to DS9. Long story short: DS9 ended up doing most all the REALLY cool things under the show runners and better stable of writers there- as you mentioned. Voyager got pretty dull pretty quick, despite a great premise. One of the more interesting writer-producers left, and the stories seemed to get staler and staler. When DS9 ended, Moore went over to Voyager, but his old friend Bragga (who was in charge) kind of froze him out of changing anything really significant there & Moore left pretty soon to end up using a lot of his ideas for Voyager for Battlestar Galactica... which ended up getting a Peabody award. Braga stayed with Voyager- then has been on different projects, but never got the attention he got from initially being a co-writer with Moore on TNG. It does seem like things got patched up between them years later, but it seems like Moore is still getting raves for his "Outlander" show, and who knows what Braga is doing now... |
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Post by Metallo on May 17, 2018 22:36:03 GMT -5
Voyager was more hamstrung being on a network while DS9 was in syndication and had a bit more freedom but it also never did get the support in other ways that voyager got either. I’ll just say Moore and bragga were the perfect fits for their respective shows but Moore was clearly the workhorse of that team.
Braga has string of failures behind him. One was with David Goyer. The best rose to the top. It’s why Fuller went from Trek to the success he’s had.
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Post by Metallo on May 18, 2018 10:58:28 GMT -5
That was one interesting finale for Arrow last night. I liked that they didn’t do the usual thing of tying everything up in a nice big bow (no pun intended). They got control of the city back but the Dragon is still out there.
Two things caught my attention: They name dropped Longbow Hunters and Oliver is being sent to a Supermax prison. Does this mean next season will adapt the longbow hunters comic or take inspiration from Goyers Green Arrow Supermax script?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 19, 2018 0:23:56 GMT -5
Voyager was more hamstrung being on a network while DS9 was in syndication and had a bit more freedom but it also never did get the support in other ways that voyager got either. I’ll just say Moore and bragga were the perfect fits for their respective shows but Moore was clearly the workhorse of that team. Braga has string of failures behind him. One was with David Goyer. The best rose to the top. It’s why Fuller went from Trek to the success he’s had. Braga was a nice compliment to Moore on his scripts, but his own work has been underwhelming- particularly as show runner on Voyager and Enterprise. Was so glad when Manny Coto turned out to be such a pleasant surprise. |
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Post by Metallo on May 19, 2018 8:28:44 GMT -5
Then bragga undid everything Coto did on enterprise with that god awful final episode. It’s like he unzipped, pissed on Cotos work, and then asked for a thank you. It’s got to go down as one of the biggest screw ups in Star Trek history. It’s cerrainly the worst finale in Star Trek history. The terra prime story before that was excellent. That should have been the finale.
I guess braggas talent is in big ideas. Otherwise I don’t know what he brought to the partnership with Ron Moore
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 19, 2018 14:00:27 GMT -5
Then bragga undid everything Coto did on enterprise with that god awful final episode. It’s like he unzipped, pissed on Cotos work, and then asked for a thank you. It’s got to go down as one of the biggest screw ups in Star Trek history. It’s cerrainly the worst finale in Star Trek history. The terra prime story before that was excellent. That should have been the finale. I guess braggas talent is in big ideas. Otherwise I don’t know what he brought to the partnership with Ron Moore He's definitely not on the same par as Moore. It's funny that Moore had his choice of going to DS9 or Voyager: If Moore went to Voyager, and Braga went to DS9, it's fun to imagine how both of those shows would have ended up differently. You're right that DS9 had fewer restrictions than Voyager- but with Moore as one of the main show runners of Voyager, it would have been interesting to see. A couple of Moore's ideas ended up on "Battlestar" (the crew putting the captain on trial was one of the story ideas that was originally meant for Voyager) - but I have to admit that even as show runner Moore did a couple of things that I thought was a major flaw. (Having Cylons be with the Galactica from the start I didn't care for, nor the idea in the finale of the citizens being fine burning up all their tech to be farmers left my head scratching.) |
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Post by Metallo on May 19, 2018 15:08:33 GMT -5
BSG had to do too much that didn’t make sense to fit the Adam and Eve narrative. It’s one thing I didn’t like about the ending. I was all on board with the idea of it all being cyclical but the execution was off.
If Moore had run Voyager it would have been more character driven and better written but they would have had to have dealt with the same problem of the reset button and episodes being interchangeable. That’s what the network wanted. DS9 had the advantage of being allowed to progresss its story every week. That was suited to Moore’s style. On voyager almost nothing progressed. The concept was wasted. The tension between startfeet and maquis crews evaporated quickly instead of really being explored. No characters outside of 7 and the doctor were really allowed to truly change and even then they had the reset button hit on them too after dealing with things that should have taken a long time to get over but weren’t even menioned in the next episode. Kim and Chakotay were such stagnant characters. I felt sorry for Garrett Wang. I don’t even think he got a promotion. Same things happened on Enterprise
DS9 did more with the Gamma quadrant then Voyager did with the delta quadrant and that’s insane when you really think about it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 20, 2018 2:27:45 GMT -5
BSG had to do too much that didn’t make sense to fit the Adam and Eve narrative. It’s one thing I didn’t like about the ending. I was all on board with the idea of it all being cyclical but the execution was off. If Moore had run Voyager it would have been more character driven and better written but they would have had to have dealt with the same problem of the reset button and episodes being interchangeable. That’s what the network wanted. DS9 had the advantage of being allowed to progresss its story every week. That was suited to Moore’s style. On voyager almost nothing progressed. The concept was wasted. The tension between startfeet and maquis crews evaporated quickly instead of really being explored. No characters outside of 7 and the doctor were really allowed to truly change and even then they had the reset button hit on them too after dealing with things that should have taken a long time to get over but weren’t even menioned in the next episode. Kim and Chakotay were such stagnant characters. I felt sorry for Garrett Wang. I don’t even think he got a promotion. Same things happened on Enterprise DS9 did more with the Gamma quadrant then Voyager did with the delta quadrant and that’s insane when you really think about it. I agree with most of what you've said. With Enterprise seasons 3 and 4, I thought it played out much better than how most of Voyager turned out, though. It's pretty sad, because Voyager really had the chance to do something really fresh and original, but still be Trek at the same time. I guess perhaps TNG and DS9 really had more of a chance to succeed with being in syndication rather than on UPN. |
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