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Post by Metallo on Oct 18, 2018 14:01:41 GMT -5
Was just talking about this. Looks like Lex himself is coming to the Arrowverse www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/lex-luthor-coming-supergirl-season-4-1153360I was just talking to someone about this yesterday. I guess it was just a matter of time. Just more confirmation that WB has immediate plans for Superman movies. If it stays that way I can see them considering a Superman tv show one day but for now I’m not sure if it’s a lock since I think having Superman and Supergirl shows on cw would be redundant but if it’s true I’d be down. Big part of it depends on how this crossover comes off. Supergirls already introduced a ton of Superman material from bad guys to good guys to concepts. Only person of note we really haven’t seen is Lex Luthor. It just seemed like they were slowly laying the groundwork for all this for a while. We’ve seen his powersuit in action already.  There’s also this. First unofficial on set photo of the new Lois Lane. Where are they? Danvers farm? Kent Farm? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 19, 2018 0:37:27 GMT -5
Still having some problems imagining Hoechlin as Superman. I'm not sure I'd be that thrilled with the rumors going around of a CW Superman tv show.... but if they somehow swapped out Routh or someone who I felt fit the bill more, I would be okay with it...
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Post by Metallo on Oct 21, 2018 12:14:45 GMT -5
Official word is the rumor isn’t true. No Superman show happening. I wouldn’t be shocked if we see them do something for the streaming service down the line though. Now that they have more freedom to use Superman that Lois and Lex prequel could become a Lois and Superman series.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 21, 2018 12:17:40 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Oct 22, 2018 20:36:49 GMT -5
If they're going to do THAT... then... Routh back in the Superman costume and perhaps give a bit of 'what could have happened with the SR sequel'- if they're going to do multiple stories in this crossover. Why not? He's not going to be young forever. Ask and ye just might receive, CAM. Crazier things ARE happening.    Here’s the big question. Even though he’s in the 1990 Suit Is he playing Henry Allen from Arrowverse’s Earth 1, Jay from Arrowverse’s Earth 3, or his Barry Allen from the 1990 tv show? If he is Barry... Avengers was reaching one level of impossible fanboy dreaming. Then Infinity War was another one. Is this yet another one? Does this basically confirm what a lot of fans have wanted for years? That everything dc has ever done is officially part of one big on screen multiverse? |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 24, 2018 11:54:35 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 27, 2018 12:16:04 GMT -5
It's great to see Wesley Shipp back in the costume. I thought he was great as Barry Allen back in the day, too..... Though I do think that it's an odd choice NOT to have made him a regular as Barry's dad once he got out of prison. Still--- awesome to see him used this way. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 27, 2018 20:21:51 GMT -5
I’m guessing Shipp (particularly at his age) wasn’t interested in being a full time regular on a show that has those kinds of hours...especially if he had to live in Vancouver for a big chunk of the year. It’s worse being the lead as he Welling and others have attested to but even a supporting cast member is devoting a lot of time to something like that.
I also got the impression that they didn’t know what to do with Henry Allen once he got out of prison. I’m guessing Henry traveling after his release and Shipp not wanting to be on every episode was their way of giving themselves some time before deciding to kill the character off.
Since Jay Garrick is from another earth it gives a reason why Jay/Shipp isn’t around all the time to help but still let’s Shipp appear occasionally.
Victor Garber left Legends for similar reasons. He wasn’t crazy about the hours he had to put in as a regular and wanted to do other things. Same with Jeremy Jordan on Supergirl. I think Garber really wanted out for good though since they killed Stein off.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 28, 2018 0:15:13 GMT -5
I’m guessing Shipp (particularly at his age) wasn’t interested in being a full time regular on a show that has those kinds of hours...especially if he had to live in Vancouver for a big chunk of the year. It’s worse being the lead as he Welling and others have attested to but even a supporting cast member is devoting a lot of time to something like that. I also got the impression that they didn’t know what to do with Henry Allen once he got out of prison. I’m guessing Henry traveling after his release and Shipp not wanting to be on every episode was their way of giving themselves some time before deciding to kill the character off. Since Jay Garrick is from another earth it gives a reason why Jay/Shipp isn’t around all the time to help but still let’s Shipp appear occasionally. Victor Garber left Legends for similar reasons. He wasn’t crazy about the hours he had to put in as a regular and wanted to do other things. Same with Jeremy Jordan on Supergirl. I think Garber really wanted out for good though since they killed Stein off. Slater said something about the crazy hours for Melissa Benoist- so that would make sense, about Shipp not wanting to do all those hours. But- having him as Jay Garrick is great.... but having him as a parallel universe Barry Allen I think I like even better. Will see! |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 31, 2018 13:39:54 GMT -5
It’s true. Rosenbaum talked to welling about how they were worried about his safety driving home from work after working all day and all night. The kid that plays Archie in riverdale could have been killed driving home from the set.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 31, 2018 13:52:00 GMT -5
 It looks accurate like a direct translation from the comics but the execution is kind of goofy. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 31, 2018 22:19:36 GMT -5
I think the costume is GREAT! But.... I don't know about the actor who they cast. He looks a little too 'normal' for what was supposed to be a pretty mysterious character. Anyhow, credit for not putting him in a cheap black leather jacket.....  |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 2, 2018 0:36:03 GMT -5
I always thought the Monitor looked more alien as far as his features but this guy looks more or less human.m Looks like there are indeed two Supermen and one of em is a bad guy.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 2, 2018 10:46:30 GMT -5
I always thought the Monitor looked more alien as far as his features but this guy looks more or less human.m Looks like there are indeed two Supermen and one of em is a bad guy. Looks cool! Never noticed how LONG Superman's cape was compared to Supergirl's until looking at this. Looks like it wouldn't take much to trip over the cape! |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 2, 2018 17:10:17 GMT -5
Personally I prefer a shorter cape with it coming to or just below the top of the boots like in Superman III and IV or JLU    While Batman has a longer cape coming down to his ankles. It makes for a nice contrast in styles and tones. Seems like Hoechlins cape is following the trend set by Cavill’s costume in MOS. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 5, 2018 12:11:49 GMT -5
Personally I prefer a shorter cape with it coming to or just below the top of the boots like in Superman III and IV or JLU While Batman has a longer cape coming down to his ankles. It makes for a nice contrast in styles and tones. Seems like Hoechlins cape is following the trend set by Cavill’s costume in MOS. That's a great SIII Reeve photo. I agree on the shorter cape. The longer one is interesting- and I don't find it nearly as annoying as the 'cape clasps' or the lack of red trunks.... but the shorter one is also closer to the original Siegel and Shuster comics I believe as well. Feels more classic, anyhow... |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 9, 2018 16:39:17 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 13, 2018 13:16:32 GMT -5
Here's hoping the show is better than the promo picture.... but then again, I wasn't impressed with the promo pictures for SR either & liked the movie. I guess will see.... |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 14, 2018 12:42:39 GMT -5
Looks like they’re in...the Fortress? I like this new pic. Certainly better than the first promo photo of Hoechlin as Superman.  I thought that one looked terrible. For some reason he always looks better on screen or in candid behind the scenes photos.  I can’t wait for this crossover. They’ve teased some really awesome things especially for long time fans. Because they’re so deep into the Arrowverse with several shows on for many years they’ve got the leeway and experience to do things that I’ve wanted to see my whole life but never thought would be done on superhero tv. The shows are hit and miss in terms of quality but the crossovers have usually delivered. Hoechlin’s been a very good Superman. He doesn’t have Cavill’s looks but he fits that George Reeves/Dean Cain mold of tv Supermen and in terms of performance he might be the best since Christopher Reeve. Very curious to see the chemistry between him and Tulloch as Lois. Routh/Bosworth and Cavill/Adams were a bust there. Both pairs got on like a burning log at the bottom of of the ocean. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 15, 2018 14:34:05 GMT -5
I like Bosworth better than the soft-spoken Adams.... but I do agree that neither seemed to be the best choice available.
Someone cut a bit with the Lois from Smallville and Routh together and it actually seemed to work pretty well.
In any case, I'm still reluctant to embrace any Berlianti show 100%. Maybe Flash season 1 and half of the first season of Supergirl I'd give an A- to.
I think I was too in love with the quality given by many of the Star Trek and some of the Joss Whedon shows, plus Game of Thrones, Dexter, Breaking Bad, Rome, first season of Daredevil... these shows prevent me from saying that the Berlianti shows are as good as tv gets- when I feel it can still be even better in the writing dept.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 15, 2018 20:01:41 GMT -5
Well no superhero show has EVER had that level of quality so I try not to hold them to that standard.
Beyond that? Different times. Different models. Different mediums. Between the end of first run syndicated shows and the rise of streaming alone we’ll never see the days of TNG and DS9 again. The last time we saw anything like those or Babylon 5 was with the BSG reboot and that was over a decade ago. That’s not even getting into how much audiences have splintered with so many choices. Star Trek Enterprises ratings would actually look impressive in today’s market. Most shows struggle to get a few million viewers a week.
The audience has also changed. They don’t have the patience for shows like that with 22 episode seasons that are episodic. Why do you think quality genre shows can’t seem to survive on network tv? X-Files was a juggernaut in its day but the revival was lukewarm at best. 8 to 13 episode serialized shows are where it’s at and those are on prestige cable channels or streaming services like Netflix. All the best writers and show runners want to be on those shows. Everything else is going to go for the lowest common denominator and that’s why we’ve got Star Trek Discovery on All Acess. Look who’s running that now. Shows how desperate CBS is.
Age wise Bosworth would actually be more appropriate alongside Cavill today. Adams would have fit better with Routh then. Both were miscast but at the time they played Lois they were either too young or too old for their respective stories. Durance was the best of the three in terms of casting and performance. She was a bit older than what she played on Smallville but the fact that she’s still 4 years younger than Adams today really drives home the size of the age gap between Cavill and Adams and I even think Cavill was too old for the type of origin story they were trying to do. He was older than Reeve’s Superman in STM. It’s one reason it was so hard for me to buy his green and unsure he was on everything. MOS would have been easier to swallow with a Clark/Superman in his early 20s. Once again Routh was more age appropriate for a MOS style story while Cavill was a better for for a SR style story.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 15, 2018 20:12:52 GMT -5
 Probably the best shot of her yet. The promo photo and candid photos were iffy imo but this looks ok. Really like the Arkham game style grapple gun. This whole thing seems so nuts though. Not necessarily in a bad way but it just seems like the story and characters are all over the place. How do we go from Batwoman, Gotham, and Arkham Asylum to Barry and Ollie switching lives, 1990 Flash, and the Monitor? Very curious to watch and find out. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 17, 2018 16:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 23, 2018 20:20:54 GMT -5
Suprisingly, I think Gustin looks pretty good as Arrow!
Amiell.... a little odd in the Flash costume, particularly with the beard.
Though..... I always thought Hartley in "Smallville' was the best Arrow imo.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 25, 2018 21:21:25 GMT -5
the Green Arrow leather jacket outfit tends to look better on most people. Variations of that suit have looked good on men and women of various sizes. That new Flash suit was built specifically for Gustin and the material was chosen to be more comfortable than the leather like suits. Problem is it’s so tight and form fitting that when put on a bigger guy like Amell it just looks odd.
I always thought Hartley was more crusading rich guy golden age Green Arrow. Amell isn’t really based directly on any comic Green Arrow since he’s more stoic but early on he was closer to Longbow Hunters era Green Arrow who was ruthless and more serious. I think what Amell does works within the Arrowverse as the more serious Arrow for lighthearted characters like Flash and Supergirl to play off of. A Hartley Green Arrow wouldn’t really work here. He had the more serious Clark Kent to play off of and was more balanced to that setup.
Much the way they’ve done with Constantine I wouldn’t mind the Arrowverse folding in Hartleys Aquaman and maybe even Palickis Wonder Woman retroactively. I’m not sure it would work because there might be some contradictions but if it did work it could be cool. That would fill some big holes on the Arrowverse. Hartley had much more of the golden matinee idol Aquaman look than the more rugged Oliver Queen look.
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