Man of Steel getting a sequel. Meh.

[crazy_asian_man]

News it's finally greenlit.
comicbook.com/dc/2016/08/08/man-of-steel-sequel-reportedly-in-active-development/

SR 2 with Singer would get me enthused.
MOS has just changed so many things that it's hard for me to be all that thrilled. (I'll see it, but the thrill level goes more to X-men and Avenger films)

Wonder if Snyder or Goyer will have any hand in it?

For my two cents, I'd make a 'Crisis on Infinite Universe' thing, introduce multiple Supermen, validating all previous incarnations with original actors (where possible), and then land on a new reboot Superman.

Would never happen. But, then again, Spiderman with Marvel (kindof) and something like Avengers and Civil War I'd never thought would happen, either.

Will see...

[Metallo]

It's in development but that's nothing solid. How long has Shazam been in development and when is that coming out? What progress has been made besides the Rock being attached? With MOS 2 I'll believe it when I see it. I think it could eventually happen but if the other movies underperform that development is going to go up in smoke like Green Lantern 2. Like I said I'll believe it when I see it.

It could be good with a whole new creative team and a director that can actually drag a good performance and some charisma out of Cavill.

[EnriqueH]

I'll probably watch it.

Expectations are low anyway after MOS, BvS and now Suicide Squad were all pretty ordinary.

[crazy_asian_man]

Aug 8, 2016 20:47:02 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I'll probably watch it.

Expectations are low anyway after MOS, BvS and now Suicide Squad were all pretty ordinary.

Sad how all those films had such gigantic budgets- only to end up being mediocre (and less).

If the nations don't end up all destroying one another, it'll be interesting to see what superhero films end up being considered special and hold up over time versus the ones that fall by the wayside.

What's refreshing is that while some big budget event films make money- the ones with the strong story and characters end up being the one talked about or revived years later. The other ones may offer eye candy for the summer that's out, but are rarely returned to.

While Marvel gets picked out for its mostly-consistent quality, (Now and then I do hear a story about how a great creative decision gets nixed due to commercial concerns at Marvel, but they still have way more pluses than minuses over there.), the 'crossover factor' which used to be so novel for movies now seems to make the films far less standalone (for good and bad) and more like one giant tv show.... which, again, on a case by case basis- at times is an extra treat (i.e. Iron Man 3 where Tony ends up talking to Banner the whole time), other times a movie feels less thought out and more compromised because it's forcing too many other Marvel elements in for another movie down the line (Iron Man 2 with Black Widow and to a degree- Panther and Spiderman in Civil War).

Anyhow- as more superhero films come out in different shades and colors - It'll be interesting to see how Deadpool's and Suicide Squad's box office affects Hollywood decisions from here).... more villain films/antihero films? Will it shake up the formula or just make a new formula Hollywood feels like it needs to follow?

I just hope we get more 'hits' soon. Superman, Burton's Batman, and Raimi's Spiderman were all giant 'must see' events. It's been discussed before here, but when there's a glut of so many superhero films- it'd be nice to see another 'must see, it's the new bar' type movie come out, outside Marvel's own factory.

...but... it doesn't seem like there's all that much confidence outside of Marvel Studios on superhero properties.

WB is not having a great record, outside of Nolan films-- I'm split if I want them to go back and reboot the whole universe again or have them keep putting stuff half-thought out, out there... Still... I have high hopes for Wonder Woman... at least it seems to have a great director and having it be a period piece (like Captain America) I think is a great idea. Regardless, since Justice League is on the way- I wonder if WB is just accepting the box office of Snyder's MOS and BvS as being 'good enough' and keeping him and his ideas for a DC universe front and center... or if there's ANY contingency plans.

(*I'm mixed on a Batfleck series- even with the Batman action sequences finally brought up to hyper level that I think he always deserved).

With Fox.... Outside of Deadpool's success, I wonder about the X-men plans that they have & whether or not they want Singer involved anymore or will allow him enough creative control to want to stick around. Fantastic Four I suspect will end up with a deal with Marvel at the end; Daredevil has gone back to Marvel with mixed creative success (Excellent first season on Netflix; second one- not so much); in any case- I'm glad superhero films aren't dead yet to Hollywood. The tv shows that come out are nice (though there's always room for improvement) but I still think the big budget theatre experience with a satisfied crowd can't be beat. (Seeing Civil War with a great audience was fantastic).

[atp]

If the sequel is also bad, will the Facebook group split in two?

[EnriqueH]

I wonder if Snyder will direct?

I hope not.

But I do hope Cavill's Superman finds redemption. I've said it before: he's kinda reminding me of Timothy Dalton/Pierce Brosnan who were great Bonds without a great Bond movie.

Not that Cavill has entirely transcended bad scripts, but I do think his Superman hasn't really had a chance to shine with MOS being a disappointment and his role being (reportedly) cut severely in BvS.

[Metallo]

Aug 9, 2016 1:30:48 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Aug 8, 2016 20:47:02 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I'll probably watch it.

Expectations are low anyway after MOS, BvS and now Suicide Squad were all pretty ordinary.

Sad how all those films had such gigantic budgets- only to end up being mediocre (and less).

If the nations don't end up all destroying one another, it'll be interesting to see what superhero films end up being considered special and hold up over time versus the ones that fall by the wayside.

What's refreshing is that while some big budget event films make money- the ones with the strong story and characters end up being the one talked about or revived years later. The other ones may offer eye candy for the summer that's out, but are rarely returned to.

While Marvel gets picked out for its mostly-consistent quality, (Now and then I do hear a story about how a great creative decision gets nixed due to commercial concerns at Marvel, but they still have way more pluses than minuses over there.), the 'crossover factor' which used to be so novel for movies now seems to make the films far less standalone (for good and bad) and more like one giant tv show.... which, again, on a case by case basis- at times is an extra treat (i.e. Iron Man 3 where Tony ends up talking to Banner the whole time), other times a movie feels less thought out and more compromised because it's forcing too many other Marvel elements in for another movie down the line (Iron Man 2 with Black Widow and to a degree- Panther and Spiderman in Civil War).

Anyhow- as more superhero films come out in different shades and colors - It'll be interesting to see how Deadpool's and Suicide Squad's box office affects Hollywood decisions from here).... more villain films/antihero films? Will it shake up the formula or just make a new formula Hollywood feels like it needs to follow?

I just hope we get more 'hits' soon. Superman, Burton's Batman, and Raimi's Spiderman were all giant 'must see' events. It's been discussed before here, but when there's a glut of so many superhero films- it'd be nice to see another 'must see, it's the new bar' type movie come out, outside Marvel's own factory.

...but... it doesn't seem like there's all that much confidence outside of Marvel Studios on superhero properties.

WB is not having a great record, outside of Nolan films-- I'm split if I want them to go back and reboot the whole universe again or have them keep putting stuff half-thought out, out there... Still... I have high hopes for Wonder Woman... at least it seems to have a great director and having it be a period piece (like Captain America) I think is a great idea. Regardless, since Justice League is on the way- I wonder if WB is just accepting the box office of Snyder's MOS and BvS as being 'good enough' and keeping him and his ideas for a DC universe front and center... or if there's ANY contingency plans.

(*I'm mixed on a Batfleck series- even with the Batman action sequences finally brought up to hyper level that I think he always deserved).

With Fox.... Outside of Deadpool's success, I wonder about the X-men plans that they have & whether or not they want Singer involved anymore or will allow him enough creative control to want to stick around. Fantastic Four I suspect will end up with a deal with Marvel at the end; Daredevil has gone back to Marvel with mixed creative success (Excellent first season on Netflix; second one- not so much); in any case- I'm glad superhero films aren't dead yet to Hollywood. The tv shows that come out are nice (though there's always room for improvement) but I still think the big budget theatre experience with a satisfied crowd can't be beat. (Seeing Civil War with a great audience was fantastic).

Five years later Green Lantern is like a bad joke. WB had other failures but none that costly. What a disaster.

[Metallo]

Aug 9, 2016 10:45:37 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I wonder if Snyder will direct?

I hope not.

But I do hope Cavill's Superman finds redemption. I've said it before: he's kinda reminding me of Timothy Dalton/Pierce Brosnan who were great Bonds without a great Bond movie.

Not that Cavill has entirely transcended bad scripts, but I do think his Superman hasn't really had a chance to shine with MOS being a disappointment and his role being (reportedly) cut severely in BvS.

I remember you saying that but...man I found Dalton and Brosnan as Bond so much better than Cavill as Superman. Similar in the sense that they didn't have a ton of classic films but even they got at least one good film (I still love Goldeneye and LTK was solid/underrated). Even in a crap movie Brosnan had charm and charisma and while Dalton had trouble when it came to wit he was was very cool. He was also a much much MUCH better actor.

Cavill doesn't even have one good movie as Superman. They range from mediocre to dogsh!t and and like you said he has yet to rise above the material the way those guys did. Martin Campbell's also a better director than Simple Zack so that does help.

I'm trying to think of a better more fitting comparison to Cavill as Snyderman. It's tough since most of the actors in bad franchise movies were one and done or the movie never got a sequel. I think Stallone could had been a much better Judge Dredd if the movie hadn't been mostly crap.

Billy Zane was the right fit for The Phantom...but it's too bad the movie wasn't more memorable.

Chris O'Donnell as Robin is a good comparison. I think he was a decent actor and had what it took to be a good D|ck Grayson but this two films just weren't good. Difference is, for better or worse, O'Donnell wasn't the lead so that level of pressure wasn't there.

[EnriqueH]

Yeah I actually agree with you. I'm just giving Cavill the benefit of the doubt.

[atp]

At least Dalton and Brosnan never made movies that led to bullying and splitting of a forum.

[EnriqueH]

Well, not bullying but intolerance and personal attacks.

[EnriqueH]

www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/how-suicide-squad-showcases-nasty-side-of-fandom-in-2016-w433407

Seems familiar...

[Metallo]

This more recent generation of DC movie fans and Snyderites are the worst fandom of all. At least most of the other fandoms can better accept criticism and even be critical themselves of their franchises. Trek fans didn't unanimously defend Into Darkness. A lot of Star Wars fans were critical of The Force Awakens.

DC fans are different because some of them are so desperate for a DC movie franchise the they'll get angry and attack anyone they feel threatens its existence even when the criticism is valid. That's the problem. They've convinced themselves to love these movies no matter what and won't accept any other viewpoint. The attacks on Drew McWeenys over concerns about BvS were disgusting. The guy ended up being totally right and none of those douchbags apologized for acting like fools.

They're not going to let things like logic, common sense, or rationality get in the way of getting their DC movie fix. Trying to get rotten tomatoes shut down because they don't like the bad reviews? That's the textbook example of obsession and having no life isn't it? It's easy to figure out their rationale but it's still stupid and petty.

[dejan]

IMHO

They should have  done a MOS 2 and a standalone Batman with Affleck(to build him up) for release in 2016.

This would have allowed Cavill more time and opportunity to develop as Supes. 

Then they could make a dawn of justice flick for release in 2018 ,2019 or whenever.

Would have racked up the anticipation in my view.

I liked Affleck's Batman in DOJ but I did not get the impression he was a down and out end of his tether type of character. 
A stand alone Batman movie prior to DOJ would have established these characteristics better in a more organic and stable fashion in my opinion.

But when you have accountants running a Studio you get slipshod "throw everything and the kitchen sink in order to compete" type mentalities ..to the detriment of the material. 

[Metallo]

Aug 9, 2016 10:45:37 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I wonder if Snyder will direct?

If Justice League underperforms you can take it to the bank that he won't. He will be done. DC is literally putting all their superhero eggs in one basket on JL. BVS should have been a guaranteed slam dunk to make over a billion dollars. Everyone knows it. The three most iconic superheroes of all time meeting in live action for the first time ever? Batman and Superman doing battle on the big screen? That's idiot proof, folks. On paper Marvel has nothing that should get that kind of excitement going. Nolans last two Batman movies made over a billion dollars so to WB this was a guaranteed blockbuster hit. A license to print money.

Justice League MUST clear well over a billion dollars. I don't see it costing less than BVS even though doing a lot of the preproduction work at the same time as BVS probably save them a ton of money. But it's going to be a much more huge film fx wise and set piece wise. That'll eat into any money they saved from rolling JLs development and preproduction into BVS's.

And screw it I'll say it right now: I have serious doubts about JL doing the kinds of numbers The Avengers movies have done. The general excitement from the public just isn't there. It doesn't feel as as big an event because WB botched the rollout of their universe with MOS and BVS. They can't go back and do it over.

[Metallo]

Aug 11, 2016 6:49:23 GMT -5 dejan said:

IMHO

They should have  done a MOS 2 and a standalone Batman with Affleck(to build him up) for release in 2016.

This would have allowed Cavill more time and opportunity to develop as Supes. 

Then they could make a dawn of justice flick for release in 2018 ,2019 or whenever.

Would have racked up the anticipation in my view.

I liked Affleck's Batman in DOJ but I did not get the impression he was a down and out end of his tether type of character. 
A stand alone Batman movie prior to DOJ would have established these characteristics better in a more organic and stable fashion in my opinion.

But when you have accountants running a Studio you get slipshod "throw everything and the kitchen sink in order to compete" type mentalities ..to the detriment of the material. 

Exactly. That's a huge reason why there's not as much excitement for their shared universe and why they aren't the level event movies that they should be. BvS was but as soon as people actually saw it that level of excitement totally evaporated.

Make us love these versions of the characters and then make us realize that we are seeing two fully formed characters and their worlds colliding. That's why so many people wanted Bale back as Batman in BVS. They were invested in him and all the adventures of THAT Batman.

WBs mistake was thinking that people would be excited because of the general idea of Superman and Batman meeting on screen. It doesn't work that way. You have to build excitement and anticipation for these newer specific versions of the characters. People aren't invested in them they way they were with Christopher Reeve, George Reeves, Adam West, Michael Keaton, Christian Bale, or even Tom Welling after years and years of watching them in sucessful productions. People loved THOSE versions of the characters. Cavill and Affleck aren't those they are something new. You have to start over.

Part of the promotion of these things is the build up. You can't just drop it on people cold with a Superman we hardly know and a Batman we've never met. But that's exactly what WB did and delivered a crap film at that.

What Marvel understands is building up their characters seperately and then crossing them over makes it more interesting. You get a new dynamic. Part of the fun is seeing how these characters you know (but don't know each other) will interact and bounce off one another. People wanted to know what would happen when Stark met Thor because we all knew their cocky personalities first. People brought all those experiences and opinions and expectations from the first five Marvel films into the Avengers. WB and DC didn't have that. WB wants to get to where Marvel is now ASAP.

Imagine what would happen if at the end of Avengers Infinity War Thanos has ripped a hole in time and space, the fabric between dimensions. Imagine if Dr Strange tries to deal with it and in a cliffhanger ending or post credits scene the smoke clears and we see Hugh Jackman as Wolverine grabbing Captain America in a mix of confusion and rage screaming "who the heck are you people? Where am I?" People in audiences would lose their sh!t.

[Metallo]

Aug 9, 2016 1:30:48 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Aug 8, 2016 20:47:02 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I'll probably watch it.

Expectations are low anyway after MOS, BvS and now Suicide Squad were all pretty ordinary.

Sad how all those films had such gigantic budgets- only to end up being mediocre (and less).

If the nations don't end up all destroying one another, it'll be interesting to see what superhero films end up being considered special and hold up over time versus the ones that fall by the wayside.

What's refreshing is that while some big budget event films make money- the ones with the strong story and characters end up being the one talked about or revived years later. The other ones may offer eye candy for the summer that's out, but are rarely returned to.

While Marvel gets picked out for its mostly-consistent quality, (Now and then I do hear a story about how a great creative decision gets nixed due to commercial concerns at Marvel, but they still have way more pluses than minuses over there.), the 'crossover factor' which used to be so novel for movies now seems to make the films far less standalone (for good and bad) and more like one giant tv show.... which, again, on a case by case basis- at times is an extra treat (i.e. Iron Man 3 where Tony ends up talking to Banner the whole time), other times a movie feels less thought out and more compromised because it's forcing too many other Marvel elements in for another movie down the line (Iron Man 2 with Black Widow and to a degree- Panther and Spiderman in Civil War).

Anyhow- as more superhero films come out in different shades and colors - It'll be interesting to see how Deadpool's and Suicide Squad's box office affects Hollywood decisions from here).... more villain films/antihero films? Will it shake up the formula or just make a new formula Hollywood feels like it needs to follow?

I just hope we get more 'hits' soon. Superman, Burton's Batman, and Raimi's Spiderman were all giant 'must see' events. It's been discussed before here, but when there's a glut of so many superhero films- it'd be nice to see another 'must see, it's the new bar' type movie come out, outside Marvel's own factory.

...but... it doesn't seem like there's all that much confidence outside of Marvel Studios on superhero properties.

WB is not having a great record, outside of Nolan films-- I'm split if I want them to go back and reboot the whole universe again or have them keep putting stuff half-thought out, out there... Still... I have high hopes for Wonder Woman... at least it seems to have a great director and having it be a period piece (like Captain America) I think is a great idea. Regardless, since Justice League is on the way- I wonder if WB is just accepting the box office of Snyder's MOS and BvS as being 'good enough' and keeping him and his ideas for a DC universe front and center... or if there's ANY contingency plans.

(*I'm mixed on a Batfleck series- even with the Batman action sequences finally brought up to hyper level that I think he always deserved).

With Fox.... Outside of Deadpool's success, I wonder about the X-men plans that they have & whether or not they want Singer involved anymore or will allow him enough creative control to want to stick around. Fantastic Four I suspect will end up with a deal with Marvel at the end; Daredevil has gone back to Marvel with mixed creative success (Excellent first season on Netflix; second one- not so much); in any case- I'm glad superhero films aren't dead yet to Hollywood. The tv shows that come out are nice (though there's always room for improvement) but I still think the big budget theatre experience with a satisfied crowd can't be beat. (Seeing Civil War with a great audience was fantastic).

Another mistake from WB is that starting out their movies should not be costing 220-250 million dollars. Theres just not enough room there to make a profit. Batman Begins didn't cost that much. Iron Man didn't cost that much. MOS should have been no more than 200 million dollars yet it ended up costing almost as much as the first Avengers movie.

GOTG cost $30 million less than Green Lantern even though Guardians had more scenes set in space and just as many if not more aliens. What???

I swear WB is run by a chimp smoking a crack pipe.

[EnriqueH]

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but now that you guys mention it...

Yeah.

It's like they're throwing gobs of money at special effects and explosions, but when it comes to the script, they're like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful, uh-huh, perfect, yeah...anyway, getting back to explosions..."

[Metallo]

Well it's been mentioned that Suicide Squads script was written in six weeks. Then when WB got nervous they threw tens of millions of dollars into reshoots to fix things and make it more fun and exciting. So...yeah you're right.

The problem is Hollywood trying to make certain pre announced release dates instead of taking the time to make the movies the right way from the start. They just throw money at the problems to fix them after the fact. It's been that way forever but got worse over time when staking out release dates years in advance became a higher priority. That's what messed up Alien 3.

[dejan]

Totally agree with you Metallo.

At the end of the day the studio only thinks in terms of money put in.....and the money they get out.

WB is still making a bucket load of cash from MOS,BvS,Suicide Squad and most likely Justice League.

They may not be making as much money as they would like......but so long as they recoup the investments made and incur enough profit....the likes of Snyder will always have more opportunities.

Artistic integrity does not have a chance in such a system.

Francis Ford Coppola made a statement recently:
 
 “I feel that it’s essential that we have to risk failure - with all art,” he stated. “You can’t start to make a big project which has 100% no risk. How do you make a film like The Godfather? Risk.”

www.screendaily.com/news/francis-ford-coppola-i-may-only-make-one-more-film/5097750.article

You look at the likes of Star Wars(in 77') and Superman(in 78') and they were gigantic risks.

That is the difference.

Nearly every Marvel or DC adaptation at this moment in time has minimal or no risk.
The investors will profit.

And the effect on quality is all too apparent.

On Edit:
saw this article regarding how the new Ghostbusters flick(I have not seen it) which debunks my assertion that these big scale projects are "risk free".

Sony insiders project the total loss on the film, for Sony and its financial partners, will be closer to $25 million.
variety.com/2016/film/news/ghostbusters-loss-sony-50-million-1201834911/

[atp]

Aug 11, 2016 20:41:48 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but now that you guys mention it...

Yeah.

It's like they're throwing gobs of money at special effects and explosions, but when it comes to the script, they're like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful, uh-huh, perfect, yeah...anyway, getting back to explosions..."

It's quite sad that only a few of us were able to look past the explosions in MoS and recognise its flaws.

[Metallo]

Aug 12, 2016 0:47:35 GMT -5 dejan said:

Totally agree with you Metallo.

At the end of the day the studio only thinks in terms of money put in.....and the money they get out.

WB is still making a bucket load of cash from MOS,BvS,Suicide Squad and most likely Justice League.

They may not be making as much money as they would like......but so long as they recoup the investments made and incur enough profit....the likes of Snyder will always have more opportunities.

Artistic integrity does not have a chance in such a system.

Francis Ford Coppola made a statement recently:
 
 “I feel that it’s essential that we have to risk failure - with all art,” he stated. “You can’t start to make a big project which has 100% no risk. How do you make a film like The Godfather? Risk.”

www.screendaily.com/news/francis-ford-coppola-i-may-only-make-one-more-film/5097750.article

You look at the likes of Star Wars(in 77') and Superman(in 78') and they were gigantic risks.

That is the difference.

Nearly every Marvel or DC adaptation at this moment in time has minimal or no risk.
The investors will profit.

And the effect on quality is all too apparent.

On Edit:
saw this article regarding how the new Ghostbusters flick(I have not seen it) which debunks my assertion that these big scale projects are "risk free".

Sony insiders project the total loss on the film, for Sony and its financial partners, will be closer to $25 million.
variety.com/2016/film/news/ghostbusters-loss-sony-50-million-1201834911/

Nah you were right the first time. The issue with ghostbusters wasn't risk it was incompetence. They could have made a ghostbusters movie that had a better chance but Sony had an agenda and they didn't stop to think that any ghostbusters reboot without the original cast would be crapped on by fans. It'd be like some idiot trying to remake back to the future. It's insane. Far too much good will built up for the original.

Ghostbusters 2016,done the way it was, was more like a guarenteed failure but people at Sony let their egos get in the way. It's the same thinking that killed their last two Spider-Man series. Arad was stubborn and Amy Pascal was stubborn when it all should have been done a certain way and fans wanted it to go a certain way. Nobody wanted an origin that soon and a lot of people wanted the reboot tied into the MCU. Avi Arad still butthurt that he was out at Marvel and thinking he knew better because Spiderman was the last cash cow he could milk said "no."

I remember certain posters that once posted here used to defend Arad years ago and I said he was a hack. I ended up being right. He sold toys before he became a bigwig at marvel. After that his primary concern was selling as many marvel toys as possible. When that takes priority over everything else you're movies are going to be crap. That's what we are seeing with WB now. These movies are made to sell merchandise.

Hollywood is afraid to try original ideas with no name recognition. That's where the unwillingness to take risk is coming from. It's why we got all these reboots. It's why we have a generation of actors who havent been able make their mark. They aren't getting something they can make their own they're always following and being compared to someone else.

[atp]

Aug 9, 2016 7:49:24 GMT -5 atp said:

If the sequel is also bad, will the Facebook group split in two?

I wonder how the chosen ones in their secret Facebook group feel about BvS and JL

[Metallo]

Jul 15, 2022 3:02:00 GMT -5 atp said:

Aug 9, 2016 7:49:24 GMT -5 atp said:

If the sequel is also bad, will the Facebook group split in two?

I wonder how the chosen ones in their secret Facebook group feel about BvS and JL

Most are probably still in denial about BVS and bought into the Snyder Cut nonsense.

[Metallo]

Aug 11, 2016 11:39:00 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Aug 9, 2016 10:45:37 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

I wonder if Snyder will direct?

If Justice League underperforms you can take it to the bank that he won't. He will be done. DC is literally putting all their superhero eggs in one basket on JL. BVS should have been a guaranteed slam dunk to make over a billion dollars. Everyone knows it. The three most iconic superheroes of all time meeting in live action for the first time ever? Batman and Superman doing battle on the big screen? That's idiot proof, folks. On paper Marvel has nothing that should get that kind of excitement going. Nolans last two Batman movies made over a billion dollars so to WB this was a guaranteed blockbuster hit. A license to print money.

Justice League MUST clear well over a billion dollars. I don't see it costing less than BVS even though doing a lot of the preproduction work at the same time as BVS probably save them a ton of money. But it's going to be a much more huge film fx wise and set piece wise. That'll eat into any money they saved from rolling JLs development and preproduction into BVS's.

And screw it I'll say it right now: I have serious doubts about JL doing the kinds of numbers The Avengers movies have done. The general excitement from the public just isn't there. It doesn't feel as as big an event because WB botched the rollout of their universe with MOS and BVS. They can't go back and do it over.

I kind of called it. Funny.